The Mod-Sanctioned Israel/Palestine thread

[Spiritwolf]

Read back through the postings a couple pages and you will better understand what's being said here Dilange. When I said few would escape if we seal the borders properly I meant Hamas guerilla's in Gaza. Easily done if we control the crossings from Gaza to Egypt and tighten the naval blockade of the coastline. Then Hamas's ass is done for.

[Dilange]

Read back through the postings a couple pages and you will better understand what's being said here Dilange. When I said few would escape if we seal the borders properly I meant Hamas guerilla's in Gaza. Easily done if we control the crossings from Gaza to Egypt and tighten the naval blockade of the coastline. Then Hamas's ass is done for.

Yet wouldnt that restrict the deportation and the emigration of the Arabs to Egypt in other nations for your strive of a Apartheid Lite Israel?

[Spiritwolf]

Marines fought and died in Iraq and we really had no business going in there to begin with. Six Marine Infantry Battalions formed a battle line and then rolled through Fallujah and totally destroyed the city killing insurgents in a truly vicious fight that didn't materially help the war on Al-Qaeda at all. The Taliban and Al-Qaeda operate out of Afghanistan and NW Pakistan mostly. That's where the war should have been fought from the beginning. President Bush had a score to settle with Saddam and Iraq and he used 9/11 to get his way. There were no WMD's in Iraq.

This has what to do with Israel or Palestine?

I was attempting to answer a question by DogDoo 7 involving Marines. He has a friend that is a palestinian/American who served in Iraq as a US Marine. He saw heavy fighting I'm sure.

[Dilange]

This has what to do with Israel or Palestine?

I was attempting to answer a question by DogDoo 7 involving Marines. He has a friend that is a palestinian/American who served in Iraq as a US Marine. He saw heavy fighting I'm sure.

I dont think it was a question.

[Spiritwolf]

Read back through the postings a couple pages and you will better understand what's being said here Dilange. When I said few would escape if we seal the borders properly I meant Hamas guerilla's in Gaza. Easily done if we control the crossings from Gaza to Egypt and tighten the naval blockade of the coastline. Then Hamas's ass is done for.

Yet wouldnt that restrict the deportation and the emigration of the Arabs to Egypt in other nations for your strive of a Apartheid Lite Israel?

Not really, once the IDF rolled into the territories in force and locked down the borders of those areas then you deny the non-Israeli citizens of those areas the ability to work. With no jobs they will self deport or starve solving our problem. We can then throw open the door for Israeli settlers to move in and build wherever they'd like which will also have the effect of motivating the now jobless arabs/palestinians to leave. As a bonus, we'd then be able to really annihilate Hamas in Gaza. The area would be sealed, it would fall under direct fire support fans of our artillery and air support, and they would get no help or supplies from the outside. All we'd have to do is roll forward until we make contact and call in direct fire support and air strikes, then mop up what's left with light infantry.

[The God-Realm]

Palestine 5evz reppin da fam in Jesustown.

No but seriously, Israel is not cool.

[The God-Realm]

Yet wouldnt that restrict the deportation and the emigration of the Arabs to Egypt in other nations for your strive of a Apartheid Lite Israel?

Not really, once the IDF rolled into the territories in force and locked down the borders of those areas then you deny the non-Israeli citizens of those areas the ability to work. With no jobs they will self deport or starve solving our problem. We can then throw open the door for Israeli settlers to move in and build wherever they'd like which will also have the effect of motivating the now jobless arabs/palestinians to leave. As a bonus, we'd then be able to really annihilate Hamas in Gaza. The area would be sealed, it would fall under direct fire support fans of our artillery and air support, and they would get no help or supplies from the outside. All we'd have to do is roll forward until we make contact and call in direct fire support and air strikes, then mop up what's left with light infantry.

So genocide. Mmkay.

[Novraslavia]

Not really, once the IDF rolled into the territories in force and locked down the borders of those areas then you deny the non-Israeli citizens of those areas the ability to work. With no jobs they will self deport or starve solving our problem. We can then throw open the door for Israeli settlers to move in and build wherever they'd like which will also have the effect of motivating the now jobless arabs/palestinians to leave. As a bonus, we'd then be able to really annihilate Hamas in Gaza. The area would be sealed, it would fall under direct fire support fans of our artillery and air support, and they would get no help or supplies from the outside. All we'd have to do is roll forward until we make contact and call in direct fire support and air strikes, then mop up what's left with light infantry.

So genocide. Mmkay.

Yeah. It'd be a shame if I wrote the same thing about the Israelis, wouldn't it?

[Yorkopolis]

So genocide. Mmkay.

Yeah. It'd be a shame if I wrote the same thing about the Israelis, wouldn't it?

Genocide is not ok no matter against whom it is pointed. End of story. But I agree with The God-Realm that it's not really needed to go pull a US-Iraq on all Arab countries surrounding Israel. I'm glad that those insane genocidal people posting here aren't real politicians and are likely never to get in power, I really am.

[Divair]

Hey, look, the rockets are back.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... t-1.510925


Fuck's sake.

[DogDoo 7]

Hey, look, the rockets are back.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... t-1.510925


Fuck's sake.

Yeah, and we're going to respond "with a time and place of our choosing." That's really not cricket.

[Imperiatom]

Yeah no war before the British empire and colonialism. oh wait no ever since records began they have recorded wars and conflict. Really the zulu's, the Benin empire the ancient Egyptian, the numidians, Ethiopian's, all big Waring nations before Europeans arrived that had conquered neighboring tribes. Actually as stated earlier it was the fact that instead of helping them develop we just totally fucked off like a rapist fleeing the crime seen due to liberal guilt that caused the problems. I might want to also add what do you think about the genocidal killings of the native american Indians, groups that until the revolution were treated by the crown as trade partners and allies for the most part?

I didn't say everyone was living peacefully together since the beginning of time, I said colonialism created new conflicts between native groups where previously there were none, or not in any way substantial to what they were after. I agree with you about how you left, that wasn't great, but that doesn't mean that colonialism is the solution.

Wars have always been there but leaving a power vacuum is what causes different groups to start Killing each other for power and control. If we had left properly we could have left fair parliamentary democracy's with little corruption and economic development above what they would have had without a colonial era. But we did not so it is a mess for the most part.

[Imperiatom]

In reality, it wouldn't be genocide. It'd likely end in civil war as millions of returning Palestinians would feel hostility towards the Jewish residents. It'd likely be a repeat of Lebanon, but the Arabs would definitely throw weapons towards the Palestinians. If it didn't end in Civil War it would likely end in the implementation of revenge politics or isolation and denigration of the Jewish Community. We'd once again be a minority and we have never fared well as a minority.

So either a 2 state solution with 100,000's dead or the establishment of an Aparteid state against Jews. Neither sound good.

What anyone who wants the 1 State Solution is actually advocating is the return to the times when a Jew depended on another state for protection.

Which is something that hasn't exactly worked out all that well.

Better get well building

[Imperiatom]

They are people who want to kill us. Violence and death are the only things they ever produce. Negotiations are a false path that will never yield peace with them.

These People You Can't Negotiate with

That said there is a huge minority of Palestinians who just want to live.

The UN has tried but they can't negotiate with Israel to obey the resolutions so the same can be said about them.

[Imperiatom]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21847517

I saw this today, i found it very ironic.

[Yehuddah]

A possible course of action would be to simply roll into the territories with the IDF, seal the borders, annex the territories, and make it illegal for non-citizens to be employed in Israel. With no jobs they would simply self-deport saving us the trouble and expense as well as the negative media coverage that would result from escorting them out at bayonet point. Once in control of Gaza the IDF could systematically hunt down and wipe out Hamas, house by house if needed, and few if any of them would escape if we seal the borders properly immediately upon rolling in. It would be shooting fish in a barrel and anyone wearing Hamas colors or caught carrying a weapon would be within the rules of engagement. Problem solved.

I am, apparently, the only true extremist on this thread. And no, there will be no friendly, smiling doctor in an immaculately clean labcoat giving you a guided tour of his facility. See the above for further enlightenment Big Dog.

Ummmm... forgot about me?
Plus, your plan is very unsystematic, if you annex all of the territories at the beginning WITH the Arabs, it doesn't matter if we give them rights or not, but they will be able to go EVERYWHERE in Israel, then, we won't be able to systematically move them to outside Israel.
We need to annex area C (and de-annex the triangle), then, we will let them few months to move outside Israel, if they DO NOT move, we systematically finding them and physically moving them, but this time, without their possesions (if they would leave at the time we told them, they would be able to keep their possesions). After we banished them, THEN we annex the rest of our territories.

[Divair]

Yeah, and we're going to respond "with a time and place of our choosing." That's really not cricket.

They won't do anything while Obama is here.

[Dilange]

Ummmm... forgot about me?
Plus, your plan is very unsystematic, if you annex all of the territories at the beginning WITH the Arabs, it doesn't matter if we give them rights or not, but they will be able to go EVERYWHERE in Israel, then, we won't be able to systematically move them to outside Israel.
We need to annex area C (and de-annex the triangle), then, we will let them few months to move outside Israel, if they DO NOT move, we systematically finding them and physically moving them, but this time, without their possesions (if they would leave at the time we told them, they would be able to keep their possesions). After we banished them, THEN we annex the rest of our territories.

So you are forcing them to move out of your wet dream of an Apartheid Lite Israel, why? Why cant they live there and become Israeli citizens? What is the fucking problem?

[Yehuddah]

Ummmm... forgot about me?
Plus, your plan is very unsystematic, if you annex all of the territories at the beginning WITH the Arabs, it doesn't matter if we give them rights or not, but they will be able to go EVERYWHERE in Israel, then, we won't be able to systematically move them to outside Israel.
We need to annex area C (and de-annex the triangle), then, we will let them few months to move outside Israel, if they DO NOT move, we systematically finding them and physically moving them, but this time, without their possesions (if they would leave at the time we told them, they would be able to keep their possesions). After we banished them, THEN we annex the rest of our territories.

So you are forcing them to move out of your wet dream of an Apartheid Lite Israel, why? Why cant they live there and become Israeli citizens? What is the fucking problem?

That would cause a serious demographic, cultural, and security threats.

[Dilange]

So you are forcing them to move out of your wet dream of an Apartheid Lite Israel, why? Why cant they live there and become Israeli citizens? What is the fucking problem?

That would cause a serious demographic, cultural, and security threats.

Because they're Muslim, amirite?

[The Nuclear Fist]

I am, apparently, the only true extremist on this thread. And no, there will be no friendly, smiling doctor in an immaculately clean labcoat giving you a guided tour of his facility. See the above for further enlightenment Big Dog.

Ummmm... forgot about me?
Plus, your plan is very unsystematic, if you annex all of the territories at the beginning WITH the Arabs, it doesn't matter if we give them rights or not, but they will be able to go EVERYWHERE in Israel, then, we won't be able to systematically move them to outside Israel.
We need to annex area C (and de-annex the triangle), then, we will let them few months to move outside Israel, if they DO NOT move, we systematically finding them and physically moving them, but this time, without their possesions (if they would leave at the time we told them, they would be able to keep their possesions). After we banished them, THEN we annex the rest of our territories.

Or we could do all that to the Jews, so instead of just having Israel becoming a hypocritical reminder of why many of its European settlers moved there in the first place (hint: to escape systematic persecution), we can just go another round of Jew kicking, except this time they won't be down when we're doing it.

If you're going to talk about the systematic liquidation of a population, you damned well better accept you're no less of a waste of genetic information than the people who did the same to your people.

[Yorkopolis]

I am, apparently, the only true extremist on this thread. And no, there will be no friendly, smiling doctor in an immaculately clean labcoat giving you a guided tour of his facility. See the above for further enlightenment Big Dog.

Ummmm... forgot about me?
Plus, your plan is very unsystematic, if you annex all of the territories at the beginning WITH the Arabs, it doesn't matter if we give them rights or not, but they will be able to go EVERYWHERE in Israel, then, we won't be able to systematically move them to outside Israel.
We need to annex area C (and de-annex the triangle), then, we will let them few months to move outside Israel, if they DO NOT move, we systematically finding them and physically moving them, but this time, without their possesions (if they would leave at the time we told them, they would be able to keep their possesions). After we banished them, THEN we annex the rest of our territories.

Those territories aren't yours to begin with, and now you're just proposing ethnic cleansing. Well done, you've just lowered yourself to the level of a Nazi. That said, these people are why I'm getting ever more anti-Israel and ever more pro-Palestine, but I will stay at supporting a two-state solution.

Ummmm... forgot about me?
Plus, your plan is very unsystematic, if you annex all of the territories at the beginning WITH the Arabs, it doesn't matter if we give them rights or not, but they will be able to go EVERYWHERE in Israel, then, we won't be able to systematically move them to outside Israel.
We need to annex area C (and de-annex the triangle), then, we will let them few months to move outside Israel, if they DO NOT move, we systematically finding them and physically moving them, but this time, without their possesions (if they would leave at the time we told them, they would be able to keep their possesions). After we banished them, THEN we annex the rest of our territories.

Or we could do all that to the Jews, so instead of just having Israel becoming a hypocritical reminder of why many of its European settlers moved there in the first place (hint: to escape systematic persecution), we can just go another round of Jew kicking, except this time they won't be down when we're doing it.

If you're going to talk about the systematic liquidation of a population, you damned well better accept you're no less of a waste of genetic information than the people who did the same to your people.

Well-said, Vlad, well-said.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Ummmm... forgot about me?
Plus, your plan is very unsystematic, if you annex all of the territories at the beginning WITH the Arabs, it doesn't matter if we give them rights or not, but they will be able to go EVERYWHERE in Israel, then, we won't be able to systematically move them to outside Israel.
We need to annex area C (and de-annex the triangle), then, we will let them few months to move outside Israel, if they DO NOT move, we systematically finding them and physically moving them, but this time, without their possesions (if they would leave at the time we told them, they would be able to keep their possesions). After we banished them, THEN we annex the rest of our territories.

So you are forcing them to move out of your wet dream of an Apartheid Lite Israel, why? Why cant they live there and become Israeli citizens? What is the fucking problem?

Because then Israel wouldn't be an ethnically pure nation of supermen.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

98% of West Bank Palestinians live in Palestinian governed areas A and B. Only 2% live in Israeli governed area C. The same thing would happen if Palestine was liberated from the Heshemites.

Not seeing what that has to do with what I said. They may live in Areas A and B, but that doesn't mean they would want to move to Jordan.

Palestinians want to be ruled by Palestinians.

Demographics change all the time.

Indeed they do. I'm pointing out that they are shifting away from an Israeli majority.

And it'll shift back due to hasidics and the modernization of the Palestinians.

NO. Jordan is Palestine

The king of Jordan disagrees. Also, get better sources than a youtube video.

The king of Jordan himself said that "Jordan is Palestine, Palestine is Jordan" in 1981.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

I'd put peaceful Palestinians at 15% in Gaza and 25% in the West Bank. The Israelis would probably agree with that figure.

Who the fuck are you to just make up numbers and say "oh hurr durr, you're not peaceful???" Like literally, what possible electrochemical fault in your neurons decided to misfire and send this random number to your brain?

Your refusal to list any contyradictionary statistics means that my statistics are 100%. I knew the Israelis would confirm them.