North Korea renders armistice null and void,cuts S.K Hotline

[Democratic Koyro]

Can you confirm this outlandish claim?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... ZFTqdTqAUQ

People are eating their own kids. They MUST hate the government considering NK today

Unlikely. This isn't the mid 90's.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Communism did not exsist when picasso was alive Picasso was in the renisance era and Carl Marx was in the industtrial revolution era so ya theres that.

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

I know this had been said, but Picasso died in the seventies, man. Like, 1970s. Karl (notice the "k") Marx lived in the 1800s.

Oh my God, oh God, oh God…

BAH, EUROPE ART RENAISSANCE DA VINCI PICASSO ALL THE SAME

[The Emerald Dawn]

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

I know this had been said, but Picasso died in the seventies, man. Like, 1970s. Karl (notice the "k") Marx lived in the 1800s.

Oh my God, oh God, oh God…

BAH, EUROPE ART RENAISSANCE DA VINCI PICASSO ALL THE SAME

Everyone knows George Washington handed the Declaration of Independence to Jesus so he could take it up to Heaven and inscribe America as his new birth place.

Right?

[Novraslavia]

Can you confirm this outlandish claim?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... ZFTqdTqAUQ

People are eating their own kids. They MUST hate the government considering NK today

That article proves nothing but that some psycho lady possibly killed and attempted to eat her children. There have been cannibalistic murderers in the United States too. Of course, that's assuming that these stories from the DPRK are true.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

I know this had been said, but Picasso died in the seventies, man. Like, 1970s. Karl (notice the "k") Marx lived in the 1800s.

Oh my God, oh God, oh God…

BAH, EUROPE ART RENAISSANCE DA VINCI PICASSO ALL THE SAME

That post just makes me hate myself… and the American education system…

[Demphor]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... ZFTqdTqAUQ

People are eating their own kids. They MUST hate the government considering NK today

That article proves nothing but that some psycho lady possibly killed and attempted to eat her children. There have been cannibalistic murderers in the United States too. Of course, that's assuming that these stories from the DPRK are true.

Concerning that North Koreas Juche policy doesn't admit any kind of foreign aid, and that the famine of the 90s has still stemmed farm production in the North, it seems that some people might just turn that desperate.

I'm not saying that every single person I'd eating everyone, but in seriously bad areas, I wouldn't be surprised.

Now yes, your argument of people in the US eating people is a good one, but that was normally in cases of mental illness, drugs and craziness, not hunger.

Only in some INCREDIBLY rare cases

[The Tiger Kingdom]

BAH, EUROPE ART RENAISSANCE DA VINCI PICASSO ALL THE SAME

That post just makes me hate myself… and the American education system…

Every country has its bad seeds (are we even sure he's American?).
Anyway, the American education system did me up mostly OK. Maybe I got lucky.
And it doesn't matter anyway, 7-day bannings being what they are.
And don't hate yourself on his behalf, of course.

[Novraslavia]

That article proves nothing but that some psycho lady possibly killed and attempted to eat her children. There have been cannibalistic murderers in the United States too. Of course, that's assuming that these stories from the DPRK are true.

Concerning that North Koreas Juche policy doesn't admit any kind of foreign aid, and that the famine of the 90s has still stemmed farm production in the North, it seems that some people might just turn that desperate.

I'm not saying that every single person I'd eating everyone, but in seriously bad areas, I wouldn't be surprised.

Now yes, your argument of people in the US eating people is a good one, but that was normally in cases of mental illness, drugs and craziness, not hunger.

Only in some INCREDIBLY rare cases

The point I'm trying to make is that Nicer potlimitomaha's source isn't very credible. Of course it's possible that some of the people in the DPRK reduced themselves to cannibalism, as is life during famine.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Can you confirm this outlandish claim?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... ZFTqdTqAUQ

People are eating their own kids. They MUST hate the government considering NK today

Isolated rumours do not outweigh the broader picture, unfortunately. As I've briefly argued here, while the overall food situation in North Korea is fragile and volatile, and perhaps moreso than in other developing countries, child nutrition as a proxy for general nutrition indicates that North Korea is consistent with rates in other developing countries. Indeed, the statistics indicate that instances of child malnutrition are more common in India than North Korea - I use that comparison since the data is collected by the same source, and uses the same criteria.

But I also pick on India because our image of Indian poverty is not mass starvation and cannibalism, but inconsistent food intake, poor nutrition, volatile harvests, etc. In other words, a miserable, but not imploding, existence. That is probably more reflective of the situation in North Korea, and our perception of poverty in North Korea should shift from the decade-old famine to the reality of the present.

In short, while such rumours of "North Korean cannibalism" are probably grounded in reality, you should not draw many, or any, broader inferences from them.

[Demphor]

Concerning that North Koreas Juche policy doesn't admit any kind of foreign aid, and that the famine of the 90s has still stemmed farm production in the North, it seems that some people might just turn that desperate.

I'm not saying that every single person I'd eating everyone, but in seriously bad areas, I wouldn't be surprised.

Now yes, your argument of people in the US eating people is a good one, but that was normally in cases of mental illness, drugs and craziness, not hunger.

Only in some INCREDIBLY rare cases

The point I'm trying to make is that Nicer potlimitomaha's source isn't very credible. Of course it's possible that some of the people in the DPRK rescued themselves to cannibalism, as is life during famine.

I agree that his source is a bit eh, a better source would be one of the VICE documentaries about being in North Korea. If I'm not mistaken in one of them they have someone talking about cannibalism in the North and about one of the gruesome experiences,
Even then there should be more

[Demphor]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... ZFTqdTqAUQ

People are eating their own kids. They MUST hate the government considering NK today

Isolated rumours do not outweigh the broader picture, unfortunately. As I've briefly argued here, the overall food situation in North Korea is fragile and volatile, perhaps moreso than other developing countries, but child nutrition as a proxy for general nutrition indicates that North Korea is consistent with rates in other developing countries. Indeed, the statistics indicate that instances of child malnutrition are more common in India than North Korea - I use that comparison since the data is collected by the same source, and uses the same criteria.

But I also pick on India because our image of Indian poverty is not mass starvation and cannibalism, but inconsistent food intake, poor nutrition, volatile harvests, etc. A miserable, but not imploding, situation. That is probably more reflective of the situation in North Korea, and our perception of poverty in North Korea should shift from the decade-old famine to the reality of the present.

In short, while such rumours of "North Korean cannibalism" are probably grounded in reality, you should not draw many, or any, broader inferences from it.

We should keep in mind that Indias population is larger, the country is larger, they accept food from others if the want, and their landscape is more crop friendly, whilst North Korea doesn't have many places to grow food and their Juche policy has caused complicated, hard recovery from the famine. Even though it's over, the aftermath is only beginning to die down, and not much

[Prussia-Steinbach]

That post just makes me hate myself… and the American education system…

Every country has its bad seeds (are we even sure he's American?).
Anyway, the American education system did me up mostly OK. Maybe I got lucky.
And it doesn't matter anyway, 7-day bannings being what they are.
And don't hate yourself on his behalf, of course.

1. I'm just assuming. He seems pretty American.

2. I can't help it. Ignorance of that magnitude just makes me cringe…

[Novraslavia]

Isolated rumours do not outweigh the broader picture, unfortunately. As I've briefly argued here, the overall food situation in North Korea is fragile and volatile, perhaps moreso than other developing countries, but child nutrition as a proxy for general nutrition indicates that North Korea is consistent with rates in other developing countries. Indeed, the statistics indicate that instances of child malnutrition are more common in India than North Korea - I use that comparison since the data is collected by the same source, and uses the same criteria.

But I also pick on India because our image of Indian poverty is not mass starvation and cannibalism, but inconsistent food intake, poor nutrition, volatile harvests, etc. A miserable, but not imploding, situation. That is probably more reflective of the situation in North Korea, and our perception of poverty in North Korea should shift from the decade-old famine to the reality of the present.

In short, while such rumours of "North Korean cannibalism" are probably grounded in reality, you should not draw many, or any, broader inferences from it.

We should keep in mind that Indias population is larger, the country is larger, they accept food from others if the want, and their landscape is more crop friendly, whilst North Korea doesn't have many places to grow food and their Juche policy has caused complicated, hard recovery from the famine. Even though it's over, the aftermath is only beginning to die down, and not much

His statistics are percent-based.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Every country has its bad seeds (are we even sure he's American?).
Anyway, the American education system did me up mostly OK. Maybe I got lucky.
And it doesn't matter anyway, 7-day bannings being what they are.
And don't hate yourself on his behalf, of course.

1. I'm just assuming. He seems pretty American.

BIGOT!

2. I can't help it. Ignorance of that magnitude just makes me cringe…

...It is pretty shameful, yeah.

[The Emerald Dawn]

1. I'm just assuming. He seems pretty American.

BIGOT!

2. I can't help it. Ignorance of that magnitude just makes me cringe…

...It is pretty shameful, yeah.

He seems like a typical 15 year old. I've seen ignorant 15 year olds from every nation, all growing up feeling that the stuff their elders spew is gospel.

15 year olds in England believe that the French are all cheese-eating surrender monkeys
15 year olds in Iran believe that the Iraqis are sub-human
15 year olds in Viet Nam believe that Laotians all breathe water

Anywhere you go, a 15 year old is gonna 15 year old.

[Demphor]

We should keep in mind that Indias population is larger, the country is larger, they accept food from others if the want, and their landscape is more crop friendly, whilst North Korea doesn't have many places to grow food and their Juche policy has caused complicated, hard recovery from the famine. Even though it's over, the aftermath is only beginning to die down, and not much

His statistics are percent-based.

I know, but we should keep in mind that both the people and governments of the two countries are dramatically different

[Prussia-Steinbach]

1. I'm just assuming. He seems pretty American.

BIGOT!

2. I can't help it. Ignorance of that magnitude just makes me cringe…

...It is pretty shameful, yeah.

I'm American, I can say stuff like that.

And yes, I know... I think he must actually be about middle-school age…

[The Joseon Dynasty]

His statistics are percent-based.

I know, but we should keep in mind that both the people and governments of the two countries are dramatically different

I'm not arguing otherwise. I used India as a comparison in order to illustrate the disparity between our conceptualisation of malnutrition and poverty in those two countries, and the actual instances of malnutrition and poverty. There is quite a gap.

[Vulpae]

I don't. But it's still such a beautiful fantasy.

The destruction of a legitimate country is never a good idea. Just ask the Palestinians.

Persionally I see any state where authority does not derive from the people on up as Illigitimate.
In NK authority derives from a combination of national cult & military brute force.
In SK it derives from a democratic process involving various political factions.

Any state that requires Great Leader Approved beatings with the people's stick of cultural re-education just to continue existing isn't legitimate. Heck we could cut off food aid and let them all die, then they'd blame us for it, just like they blame "The West" for everything else.

[The Joseon Dynasty]

Isolated rumours do not outweigh the broader picture, unfortunately. As I've briefly argued here, the overall food situation in North Korea is fragile and volatile, perhaps moreso than other developing countries, but child nutrition as a proxy for general nutrition indicates that North Korea is consistent with rates in other developing countries. Indeed, the statistics indicate that instances of child malnutrition are more common in India than North Korea - I use that comparison since the data is collected by the same source, and uses the same criteria.

But I also pick on India because our image of Indian poverty is not mass starvation and cannibalism, but inconsistent food intake, poor nutrition, volatile harvests, etc. A miserable, but not imploding, situation. That is probably more reflective of the situation in North Korea, and our perception of poverty in North Korea should shift from the decade-old famine to the reality of the present.

In short, while such rumours of "North Korean cannibalism" are probably grounded in reality, you should not draw many, or any, broader inferences from it.

We should keep in mind that Indias population is larger, the country is larger, they accept food from others if the want, and their landscape is more crop friendly, whilst North Korea doesn't have many places to grow food and their Juche policy has caused complicated, hard recovery from the famine. Even though it's over, the aftermath is only beginning to die down, and not much

It's good to question it.

In 2009, the population growth rate in North Korea was about 0.4%, and 1.41% in India, and the fertility rate in North Korea is about 1.6 children per woman, and 2.62 children per woman in India.

You could argue that the higher proportion of malnourished children in India is a consequence of higher fertility rates, with less resources to commit for each child, and that the disparity between North Korean and Indian child nutrition rates would be bridged if fertility rates were equal.

It's a plausible argument. But the fact of the matter is that, standing alone, child nutrition rates in North Korea are consistent with other developing countries. The comparison I drew was for conceptual reasons, but nothing more than that.

Furthermore, the aftermath of the famine has long died down. In 1999, almost two thirds of North Korean children were stunted due to malnutrition. In October, 2012, stunting was recorded at 27.9% nation-wide - a huge drop, and the trend indicates a consistent drop over time.

[Novraslavia]

The destruction of a legitimate country is never a good idea. Just ask the Palestinians.

Persionally I see any state where authority does not derive from the people on up as Illigitimate.
In NK authority derives from a combination of national cult & military brute force.
In SK it derives from a democratic process involving various political factions.

Any state that requires Great Leader Approved beatings with the people's stick of cultural re-education just to continue existing isn't legitimate. Heck we could cut off food aid and let them all die, then they'd blame us for it, just like they blame "The West" for everything else.

Well it's a good thing that you don't represent the international community, ain't it?

[United Kingdom of Muffins]

I don't wanna sound retarded, but what it exactly is the requirement to be defined as childhood growth stinted?

[Transnapastain]

I don't wanna sound retarded, but what it exactly is the requirement to be defined as childhood growth stinted?

Why are you asking in this thread?

[Regnum Dominae]

I don't wanna sound retarded, but what it exactly is the requirement to be defined as childhood growth stinted?

Why are you asking in this thread?

Because Joseon just gave us statistics on stunted growth from malnutrition in NK.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I don't wanna sound retarded, but what it exactly is the requirement to be defined as childhood growth stinted?

Why are you asking in this thread?

We're discussing the North Korean famine, and the aftermath as compared to similar rates in other developing nations?