Transhumanism

[New Naephak]

Never. You don't need to fix something that's not broken. The human body works perfectly well already and there is no need to go and insult it by taking one's consciousness elsewhere. We are getting to the point in our history where we can start to pile manual labour on to the shoulders of robots, therefore mechanical enhancements are not needed as we will just be the thinkers, not the labourers.

What if you want to be a laborer? I could see the appeal of building your own X with just your bare - albeit enhanced - hands. There's just a lot that we, as humans, can't do because of biological limitations.

[Divair]

Never. You don't need to fix something that's not broken. The human body works perfectly well already and there is no need to go and insult it by taking one's consciousness elsewhere. We are getting to the point in our history where we can start to pile manual labour on to the shoulders of robots, therefore mechanical enhancements are not needed as we will just be the thinkers, not the labourers.

What if you want to be a laborer? I could see the appeal of building your own X with just your bare - albeit enhanced - hands. There's just a lot that we, as humans, can't do because of biological limitations.

Too bad, find something else to do. Very few people in the modern era are farmers, yet you see no complaints about it.

[The Truth and Light]

Personally, I approve. <software> 2.0 is better than 1.0; the same goes for hardware. As our minds expand, so should our physical forms.

That's why we have this thing called, "evolution."

Transhumanism is about evolution, it's just an idea that you can force it along at a faster pace.

[Britannic Realms]

Never. You don't need to fix something that's not broken. The human body works perfectly well already and there is no need to go and insult it by taking one's consciousness elsewhere. We are getting to the point in our history where we can start to pile manual labour on to the shoulders of robots, therefore mechanical enhancements are not needed as we will just be the thinkers, not the labourers.

If we insult the human body what will it do? Take its mitt and go home?

Plus, the human body contains any number of flaws and inefficiencies - never mind the the potential for disease and other ailments. Why not go to guys and girls designing new planes and cars and ships today and say - "guys, guy, guys, no. Our existing vehicles do their job don't they? Why improve on that? Who needs greater fuel economy, improved safety, greater reliability, more speed and carry capacity etc?"

The body having flaws and inefficiencies is a good thing. I would feel awfully uncomfortable being invincible from practically everything, it seems terribly unsporting, like when people take taxis in marathons.

All diseases and ailments can easily be solved by science, no body mutilation needed.

To your first response, I feel like it is unfair to insult something that does it job so well. It is like insulting a car which has a few squeaky breaks, but still works perfectly well, for no good reason.

And to your final response; yes, we should continue to improve things such as aeroplanes and telephones, but that is because they can be so much more, so much better. This does not apply to one's body, our bodies are already at the most advanced level in evolution and they will continue to evolve, that is natural; but this evolution does not need to be helped along by science. All of the problems we currently have will flattened out in a few million years, I'm sure.

[Divair]

I would feel

Stop. This is all that is needed. You are not being forced to comply with anything. You can continue going about your day normally. Don't force your desires on us.

[Transhuman Proteus]

Personally, I approve. <software> 2.0 is better than 1.0; the same goes for hardware. As our minds expand, so should our physical forms.

That's why we have this thing called, "evolution."

Except we're kind of reaching a point we're we might be able to guide the actual development of the species in a far more in depth fashion rather than relying on completely hands off evolution, which, as a blind process doesn't necessarily deliver great results (transhumanism in some respects is treated almost like guiding it to better results).

I mean I can't picture too many people going "so this scientist is saying we can undergo this procedure, which will make it a lot less likely our kids will be affected by all these illnesses and diseases. And they might live longer. But I say lets leave it to evolution. I mean sure, my kid may develop a genetic disease that makes its life hell for its short time on earth, but evolution will eventually fix that for people thousands or millions of years in the future. Or make it much worse."

Plus we have kind of lifted ourselves out of normal evolutionary boundaries like those that affected our distant ancestors and non human species.

[Britannic Realms]

I would feel

Stop. This is all that is needed. You are not being forced to comply with anything. You can continue going about your day normally. Don't force your desires on us.

I always thought that when one expressed an opinion in a internet thread it was one's own, but oh well...

[Divair]

I always thought that when one expressed an opinion in a internet thread it was one's own, but oh well...

The way you phrased your statements earlier in this thread made it seem like you wanted to force everyone else to avoid transhumanism.

[AETEN II]

If we insult the human body what will it do? Take its mitt and go home?

Plus, the human body contains any number of flaws and inefficiencies - never mind the the potential for disease and other ailments. Why not go to guys and girls designing new planes and cars and ships today and say - "guys, guy, guys, no. Our existing vehicles do their job don't they? Why improve on that? Who needs greater fuel economy, improved safety, greater reliability, more speed and carry capacity etc?"

The body having flaws and inefficiencies is a good thing. I would feel awfully uncomfortable being invincible from practically everything, it seems terribly unsporting, like when people take taxis in marathons.

All diseases and ailments can easily be solved by science, no body mutilation needed.

To your first response, I feel like it is unfair to insult something that does it job so well. It is like insulting a car which has a few squeaky breaks, but still works perfectly well, for no good reason.

And to your final response; yes, we should continue to improve things such as aeroplanes and telephones, but that is because they can be so much more, so much better. This does not apply to one's body, our bodies are already at the most advanced level in evolution and they will continue to evolve, that is natural; but this evolution does not need to be helped along by science. All of the problems we currently have will flattened out in a few million years, I'm sure.

Destruction of your personality sucks. This is why transhumanism and augmentation is good, because immortality is good. And it isn't 'bodily mutilation', if the 'mutilation' actually improves your body.

And who the fuck cares about being 'sporting', and being sporting to what? Death? The human body is weak. We will soon have the technology to improve. Not to mention that the human body is not advanced. Not at all. Our brain the nervous system connected to it is advanced, but that's it.

And we won't wait a few million years. The point being that within a century we can have immortality and thus spit in the face of death. Our savants can endlessly contribute to society, and we will exponentially increase the exponential rate of our technological advancement without having to fear death. We will be able to do it extremely soon. The greater good demands we do it soon, and therefore we launch ourselves forward at a faster rate via augmentation.

[Divair]

The body having flaws and inefficiencies is a good thing. I would feel awfully uncomfortable being invincible from practically everything, it seems terribly unsporting, like when people take taxis in marathons.

All diseases and ailments can easily be solved by science, no body mutilation needed.

To your first response, I feel like it is unfair to insult something that does it job so well. It is like insulting a car which has a few squeaky breaks, but still works perfectly well, for no good reason.

And to your final response; yes, we should continue to improve things such as aeroplanes and telephones, but that is because they can be so much more, so much better. This does not apply to one's body, our bodies are already at the most advanced level in evolution and they will continue to evolve, that is natural; but this evolution does not need to be helped along by science. All of the problems we currently have will flattened out in a few million years, I'm sure.

Destruction of your personality sucks. This is why transhumanism and augmentation is good, because immortality is good. And it isn't 'bodily mutilation', if the 'mutilation' actually improves your body.

And who the fuck cares about being 'sporting', and being sporting to what? Death? The human body is weak. We will soon have the technology to improve. Not to mention that the human body is not advanced. Not at all. Our brain the nervous system connected to it is advanced, but that's it.

And we won't wait a few million years. The point being that within a century we can have immortality and thus spit in the face of death. Our savants can endlessly contribute to society, and we will exponentially increase the exponential rate of our technological advancement without having to fear death. We will be able to do it extremely soon. The greater good demands we do it soon, and therefore we launch ourselves forward at a faster rate via augmentation.

I wonder if the first immortals are already born.

[The Truth and Light]

Destruction of your personality sucks. This is why transhumanism and augmentation is good, because immortality is good. And it isn't 'bodily mutilation', if the 'mutilation' actually improves your body.

And who the fuck cares about being 'sporting', and being sporting to what? Death? The human body is weak. We will soon have the technology to improve. Not to mention that the human body is not advanced. Not at all. Our brain the nervous system connected to it is advanced, but that's it.

And we won't wait a few million years. The point being that within a century we can have immortality and thus spit in the face of death. Our savants can endlessly contribute to society, and we will exponentially increase the exponential rate of our technological advancement without having to fear death. We will be able to do it extremely soon. The greater good demands we do it soon, and therefore we launch ourselves forward at a faster rate via augmentation.

I wonder if the first immortals are already born.

1995, hopefully, was a good year for their birth.

[Trollgaard]

I would feel

Stop. This is all that is needed. You are not being forced to comply with anything. You can continue going about your day normally. Don't force your desires on us.

And why not, when your desires are dangerous and can turn the world on its head? Why should people not stop the folly that is transhumanism?

[Olivaero]

If we insult the human body what will it do? Take its mitt and go home?

Plus, the human body contains any number of flaws and inefficiencies - never mind the the potential for disease and other ailments. Why not go to guys and girls designing new planes and cars and ships today and say - "guys, guy, guys, no. Our existing vehicles do their job don't they? Why improve on that? Who needs greater fuel economy, improved safety, greater reliability, more speed and carry capacity etc?"

The body having flaws and inefficiencies is a good thing. I would feel awfully uncomfortable being invincible from practically everything, it seems terribly unsporting, like when people take taxis in marathons.

All diseases and ailments can easily be solved by science, no body mutilation needed.

To your first response, I feel like it is unfair to insult something that does it job so well. It is like insulting a car which has a few squeaky breaks, but still works perfectly well, for no good reason.

And to your final response; yes, we should continue to improve things such as aeroplanes and telephones, but that is because they can be so much more, so much better. This does not apply to one's body, our bodies are already at the most advanced level in evolution and they will continue to evolve, that is natural; but this evolution does not need to be helped along by science. All of the problems we currently have will flattened out in a few million years, I'm sure.

What is this? I dont even... Firstly, You have never *been* invincible so how can you possibly know you'd be uncomfortable? Secondly Yes, replacing organs with synthetic ones would be sciences way of curing some ailments that our body chemistry is unable to deal with. Thirdly Our bodies do not do their job "well" they break down so often, without our help we end up living about 40 years and dying. And Finally Our bodies can be so much more. they could be telkephones and cars rolled into one! at will! Why does evolution not need to be helped along by science? answer me that.

[Seperates]

The body having flaws and inefficiencies is a good thing. I would feel awfully uncomfortable being invincible from practically everything, it seems terribly unsporting, like when people take taxis in marathons.

All diseases and ailments can easily be solved by science, no body mutilation needed.

To your first response, I feel like it is unfair to insult something that does it job so well. It is like insulting a car which has a few squeaky breaks, but still works perfectly well, for no good reason.

And to your final response; yes, we should continue to improve things such as aeroplanes and telephones, but that is because they can be so much more, so much better. This does not apply to one's body, our bodies are already at the most advanced level in evolution and they will continue to evolve, that is natural; but this evolution does not need to be helped along by science. All of the problems we currently have will flattened out in a few million years, I'm sure.

Destruction of your personality sucks. This is why transhumanism and augmentation is good, because immortality is good. And it isn't 'bodily mutilation', if the 'mutilation' actually improves your body.

And who the fuck cares about being 'sporting', and being sporting to what? Death? The human body is weak. We will soon have the technology to improve. Not to mention that the human body is not advanced. Not at all. Our brain the nervous system connected to it is advanced, but that's it.

And we won't wait a few million years. The point being that within a century we can have immortality and thus spit in the face of death. Our savants can endlessly contribute to society, and we will exponentially increase the exponential rate of our technological advancement without having to fear death. We will be able to do it extremely soon. The greater good demands we do it soon, and therefore we launch ourselves forward at a faster rate via augmentation.

I'm not nessecerily in favor of an eternal hierarchy.

[Olivaero]

Stop. This is all that is needed. You are not being forced to comply with anything. You can continue going about your day normally. Don't force your desires on us.

And why not, when your desires are dangerous and can turn the world on its head? Why should people not stop the folly that is transhumanism?

because you have no idea that it's folly. you just have your unsubstantiated feeling.

[Divair]

And why not, when your desires are dangerous and can turn the world on its head? Why should people not stop the folly that is transhumanism?

My desires are not dangerous at all. Unless you have issues with my happiness.

[Trollgaard]

And why not, when your desires are dangerous and can turn the world on its head? Why should people not stop the folly that is transhumanism?

My desires are not dangerous at all. Unless you have issues with my happiness.

If your desires include supporting transhumanism, then yes, they are dangerous.

[The Truth and Light]

My desires are not dangerous at all. Unless you have issues with my happiness.

If your desires include supporting transhumanism, then yes, they are dangerous.

Ugh. The Luddites will never go away.

[Divair]

If your desires include supporting transhumanism, then yes, they are dangerous.

Which part? Getting rid of cancer, replacing lost/broken limbs, removing death from old age? Be more specific.

[Ordya]

That's why we have this thing called, "evolution."

Transhumanism is about evolution, it's just an idea that you can force it along at a faster pace.

Why would you want to do that?

[Divair]

Transhumanism is about evolution, it's just an idea that you can force it along at a faster pace.

Why would you want to do that?

Why wouldn't you?

[Britannic Realms]

I always thought that when one expressed an opinion in a internet thread it was one's own, but oh well...

The way you phrased your statements earlier in this thread made it seem like you wanted to force everyone else to avoid transhumanism.

Well sorry if it sounded that way. Everyone is, of course, entitled to their own opinion.

The body having flaws and inefficiencies is a good thing. I would feel awfully uncomfortable being invincible from practically everything, it seems terribly unsporting, like when people take taxis in marathons.

All diseases and ailments can easily be solved by science, no body mutilation needed.

To your first response, I feel like it is unfair to insult something that does it job so well. It is like insulting a car which has a few squeaky breaks, but still works perfectly well, for no good reason.

And to your final response; yes, we should continue to improve things such as aeroplanes and telephones, but that is because they can be so much more, so much better. This does not apply to one's body, our bodies are already at the most advanced level in evolution and they will continue to evolve, that is natural; but this evolution does not need to be helped along by science. All of the problems we currently have will flattened out in a few million years, I'm sure.

Destruction of your personality sucks. This is why transhumanism and augmentation is good, because immortality is good. And it isn't 'bodily mutilation', if the 'mutilation' actually improves your body.

And who the fuck cares about being 'sporting', and being sporting to what? Death? The human body is weak. We will soon have the technology to improve. Not to mention that the human body is not advanced. Not at all. Our brain the nervous system connected to it is advanced, but that's it.

And we won't wait a few million years. The point being that within a century we can have immortality and thus spit in the face of death. Our savants can endlessly contribute to society, and we will exponentially increase the exponential rate of our technological advancement without having to fear death. We will be able to do it extremely soon. The greater good demands we do it soon, and therefore we launch ourselves forward at a faster rate via augmentation.

But don't you think life would get a little boring after a while? Oh and, whether or not it is mutilation, and whether or not it helps your body, is quite subjective.

Well, I'm terribly sorry if you would be so unsportsman-like towards those poor other organisms who wouldn't have immortality. Having a poor dog by mortal, whilst I'm immortal? I'm afraid that's just not fair. Our bodies our not weak, we can lift a fair few pounds, and the stuff that we can't moved is moved by machinery. Again, whether or not our body is advanced is subjective, it is advanced compared to the body of a snake or something.

So, you expect immortality to grace us within a century, eh? And what will this mean, a severe lack of food and water. The biggest overpopulation problem ever scene. Have you seen that Torchwood special where nobody died, and they ended up burning people alive? That, coupled with even more births, would just completely over-crowed the planet. And I'm terribly sorry if this doesn't quite fit your bill, but I would rather die, and have my children live in a world where such awful overcrowding would never occur.

[The Truth and Light]

Why would you want to do that?

Why wouldn't you?

It's dangerous man! You're playing god or some shit!

[Ordya]

Why would you want to do that?

Why wouldn't you?

Because it defeats the whole purpose. Evolution is meant to happen over several generations to be perfect when necessary. When you speed it up you're creating an almost new species in a world that's not ready for it. Or vice versa.

[Transhuman Proteus]

If we insult the human body what will it do? Take its mitt and go home?

Plus, the human body contains any number of flaws and inefficiencies - never mind the the potential for disease and other ailments. Why not go to guys and girls designing new planes and cars and ships today and say - "guys, guy, guys, no. Our existing vehicles do their job don't they? Why improve on that? Who needs greater fuel economy, improved safety, greater reliability, more speed and carry capacity etc?"

The body having flaws and inefficiencies is a good thing. I would feel awfully uncomfortable being invincible from practically everything, it seems terribly unsporting, like when people take taxis in marathons.

Unsporting? Who are we competing against in the flawed body Olympics? In the wonky digestive system finals and the ocular degeneration heats?

And who said anything about invincibility? You prefer the idea of picking up something nasty from bad water and writhing around in bed for a week when not desperately staggering to the bathroom as opposed to say, improving certain aspects of the body that will stop us being so susceptible to such external risks? You prefer unexpected death to improvements that will make us less likely to die as easily?

All diseases and ailments can easily be solved by science, no body mutilation needed.

Not at a moment they're not, not by a long shot. You need to visit a hospice and see some elder citizens dying from some of the nastier forms of cancer, then come back and sing the praises of our bodies and how they are fine as is.

And which would be transhumanistic, if we are permanently solving them. If you are only talking about cure - why? Prevention is better than cure, if we can alter our body in a way that stops it developing disease X, Y, Z why is that not preferable to letting people continue to develop it and just curing it?

To your first response, I feel like it is unfair to insult something that does it job so well. It is like insulting a car which has a few squeaky breaks, but still works perfectly well, for no good reason.

It does the job well, we can see weaknesses where it could do it better. That isn't insulting. That is logical.

And to your final response; yes, we should continue to improve things such as aeroplanes and telephones, but that is because they can be so much more, so much better.

As can we.

This does not apply to one's body, our bodies are already at the most advanced level in evolution

Oh? They are a lot less efficient in all sorts of environments to the bodies of all sorts of animals. Our tools and brains and the bigger part of our success, and our brains are doing so well thanks to our tools and vice versa.

and they will continue to evolve, that is natural; but this evolution does not need to be helped along by science. All of the problems we currently have will flattened out in a few million years, I'm sure.

Evolution is a blind process with potentially unexpected results. We've got evolution to thank for our appendix - left over little bit that does nothing expect occasionally nearly kill us.