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What is the best alternative fuel for automobiles?

Hydrogen
37
31%
Biofuels
11
9%
Electricity
36
31%
Liquid Nitrogen
1
1%
Compressed Air
3
3%
Synthetic Fossil Fuels (Synthetic Petrol/Gasoline and synthetic Diesel)
13
11%
Other
17
14%
 
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Postby Armenia II » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:43 am

Nuclear power is the best. It'd be cool to have an atompunk future, with atomic toasters.

EDIT: Oh, for cars? Still, nuclear power. As seen here.
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Big Jim P wrote:
Eoghania wrote:Hydrogen. Clean, efficient, only issue is how to store the damn stuff.


Chemically bonded with carbon. ;)


Hey Trans, will the next TET not have a sucky name?


Considering that someone bitches about every name no matter what it is?

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Postby Wikkiwallana » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:44 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Wikkiwallana wrote:How, exactly, does one use liquid nitrogen as a fuel?


You atomize it, mix it with oxygen and burn it.

I know, I know. *grin*

Ugh, I almost didn't get that before replying…
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:47 am

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
You atomize it, mix it with oxygen and burn it.

I know, I know. *grin*

Ugh, I almost didn't get that before replying…


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Postby Reino do Brazil » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:49 am

Indira wrote:Biofuels, assuming we can get them from sources that don't effect our food supply


Yes, but there's prob a food crisis coming and Bio-Fuel take huge amounts of good land production
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Postby Eoghania » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:52 am

Hydrogen. Clean, efficient, only issue is how to store the damn stuff.
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Postby Armenia II » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:54 am

Eoghania wrote:Hydrogen. Clean, efficient, only issue is how to store the damn stuff.


The only problem I have with hydrogen is it require's either electricity or methane to produce, so I don't see it solving very many problems. I think electric might be better.
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Big Jim P wrote:
Eoghania wrote:Hydrogen. Clean, efficient, only issue is how to store the damn stuff.


Chemically bonded with carbon. ;)


Hey Trans, will the next TET not have a sucky name?


Considering that someone bitches about every name no matter what it is?

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:54 am

Eoghania wrote:Hydrogen. Clean, efficient, only issue is how to store the damn stuff.


Chemically bonded with carbon. ;)

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Postby Armenia II » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:55 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Eoghania wrote:Hydrogen. Clean, efficient, only issue is how to store the damn stuff.


Chemically bonded with carbon. ;)


And oxygen.
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Big Jim P wrote:
Eoghania wrote:Hydrogen. Clean, efficient, only issue is how to store the damn stuff.


Chemically bonded with carbon. ;)


Hey Trans, will the next TET not have a sucky name?


Considering that someone bitches about every name no matter what it is?

Probably not.

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:56 am

Armenia II wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Chemically bonded with carbon. ;)


And oxygen.


Ease of use and storage, no need to change the infrastructure, win all around.

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Postby Armenia II » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:57 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Armenia II wrote:
And oxygen.


Ease of use and storage, no need to change the infrastructure, win all around.


Except the environment...

It's also not really an alternative fuel, thus defeating the purpose of this thread. Unless you're talking biodiesel and vegetable oils.
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Big Jim P wrote:
Eoghania wrote:Hydrogen. Clean, efficient, only issue is how to store the damn stuff.


Chemically bonded with carbon. ;)


Hey Trans, will the next TET not have a sucky name?


Considering that someone bitches about every name no matter what it is?

Probably not.

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Armenia II - not funny.

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:59 am

Armenia II wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Ease of use and storage, no need to change the infrastructure, win all around.


Except the environment...


We haven't cared before, why start now?

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Postby Hansoplis » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:05 am

While I vote for Hydrogen, I think I will give you all this little nugget of knoledge. :ugeek:

Tesla near the end of his life claimed to have invented a generator that DID NOT REQUIRE FUEL! :shock:

He claimed it harnessed the "natural energies of the univers" or to be more specific COSMIC RAYS!

It was all part of his "Free electricity for everyone idea" that J.P. Morgan shot down.

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Postby Armenia II » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:08 am

Hansoplis wrote:While I vote for Hydrogen, I think I will give you all this little nugget of knoledge. :ugeek:

Tesla near the end of his life claimed to have invented a generator that DID NOT REQUIRE FUEL! :shock:

He claimed it harnessed the "natural energies of the univers" or to be more specific COSMIC RAYS!

It was all part of his "Free electricity for everyone idea" that J.P. Morgan shot down.


Oh, yeah, you can gather energy from the universe, not in the least efficient, though.
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Big Jim P wrote:
Eoghania wrote:Hydrogen. Clean, efficient, only issue is how to store the damn stuff.


Chemically bonded with carbon. ;)


Hey Trans, will the next TET not have a sucky name?


Considering that someone bitches about every name no matter what it is?

Probably not.

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Armenia II - not funny.

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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:12 am

Armenia II wrote:
Hansoplis wrote:While I vote for Hydrogen, I think I will give you all this little nugget of knoledge. :ugeek:

Tesla near the end of his life claimed to have invented a generator that DID NOT REQUIRE FUEL! :shock:

He claimed it harnessed the "natural energies of the univers" or to be more specific COSMIC RAYS!

It was all part of his "Free electricity for everyone idea" that J.P. Morgan shot down.


Oh, yeah, you can gather energy from the universe, not in the least efficient, though.


My very first attempt to write a sci-fi story involved a starship powered by cosmic rays.

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Postby Reino do Brazil » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:07 am

Hidrogen defenetely
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Postby Armenia II » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:09 am

Reino do Brazil wrote:Hidrogen defenetely


Hi-five-rogen?
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Big Jim P wrote:
Eoghania wrote:Hydrogen. Clean, efficient, only issue is how to store the damn stuff.


Chemically bonded with carbon. ;)


Hey Trans, will the next TET not have a sucky name?


Considering that someone bitches about every name no matter what it is?

Probably not.

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Postby Reino do Brazil » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:10 am

Armenia II wrote:
Reino do Brazil wrote:Hidrogen defenetely


Hi-five-rogen?
hadnt had the time to correct it, cheers :)
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Postby Armenia II » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:17 am

Reino do Brazil wrote:
Armenia II wrote:
Hi-five-rogen?
hadnt had the time to correct it, cheers :)


You can fix it, like right now. Instead of typing that out.
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Big Jim P wrote:
Eoghania wrote:Hydrogen. Clean, efficient, only issue is how to store the damn stuff.


Chemically bonded with carbon. ;)


Hey Trans, will the next TET not have a sucky name?


Considering that someone bitches about every name no matter what it is?

Probably not.

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Postby Fintanland » Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:48 am

Hansoplis wrote:Tesla near the end of his life claimed to have invented a generator that DID NOT REQUIRE FUEL! :shock:

Cosmic rays? Most of those are blocked out by Earth's atmosphere and magnetic fields, and good thing too. They are deadly as hell because they are so energetic.
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Postby Screensaver » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:19 pm

I am surprised that no one has brought up the prospect of cars powered by HHO gas.

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Postby Fintanland » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:28 pm

Screensaver wrote:I am surprised that no one has brought up the prospect of cars powered by HHO gas.

Because it's total pseudoscience? You might as well run a car on Phlebotinum, or Unobtainium.
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Postby Screensaver » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:29 pm

Fintanland wrote:
Screensaver wrote:I am surprised that no one has brought up the prospect of cars powered by HHO gas.

Because it's total pseudoscience? You might as well run a car on Phlebotinum, or Unobtainium.


Well, no shit.

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Postby YellowApple » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:30 pm

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Screensaver wrote:I am surprised that no one has brought up the prospect of cars powered by HHO gas.

Because it's total pseudoscience? You might as well run a car on Phlebotinum, or Unobtainium.


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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:17 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Unless you plan on combusting the hydrogen (which is dumb on so many levels) the same dangers posed by crashed electric cars will be present in hydrogen cars. There is still an electric transmission and most likely a battery pack.


Why is combusting hydrogen dumb? I am assuming you mean using it as we use gasoline, in an internal combustion engine. That produces water vapor for exhaust. In fact, the only downside I can think of is a lack of energy density in hydrogen fuel.

Because it's a waste of a very expensive product when you could very well double the energy efficiency of the system by using it in a fuel cell instead.
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Postby Eoghania » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:23 pm

Armenia II wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Chemically bonded with carbon. ;)


And oxygen.

Requires sourcing the carbon and oxygen, bonding, etc etc. Tougher tanks for the stuff is my preference. Or carbon nanotube batteries would work too, I guess.

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Armenia II wrote:
Except the environment...


We haven't cared before, why start now?

I hope you're joking, but in case not - because we only didn't care before because we didn't know the full consequences of our actions. Now, we do. It's like why various medical treatments that had some positive impact were ditched - the negative impact was discovered to be rather large as opposed to nonexistent.
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