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Postby Scholencia » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:19 pm

It would happen like in the book Fatherland.

The Nazis would create a nazi EU where all fascist european nation would be members ( in real life the nazi government had such plan to make it after the war).

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Postby Port Charlotte » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:19 pm

I have a WW2 simulator, as nations I played as German in 1937 and invaded and captured Washington D.C. so its very possible the invade
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:20 pm

I'd have never been born, being of German and Black descent. :(
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:21 pm

Port Charlotte wrote:I have a WW2 simulator, as nations I played as German in 1937 and invaded and captured Washington D.C. so its very possible the invade

In a computer game, sure. No North Atlantic storms, no supply problems, none of that.
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Postby Democratic Koyro » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:31 pm

Scholencia wrote:It would happen like in the book Fatherland.

The Nazis would create a nazi EU where all fascist european nation would be members ( in real life the nazi government had such plan to make it after the war).


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Postby Maurepas » Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:57 pm

I don't feel like it would be physically possible. Germany simply didn't have the manpower to take on both the US and the USSR.

Hell, even if they pushed them past the Urals, the Russians would've made them eat every meter by bloody meter. They simply never could've conquered Siberia.

And then they have the US to deal with on top of that, which is pretty much a less cold version of that.

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Postby Rio Cana » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:01 pm

Chances are parts of Latin America like Guatemala, Argentina, Bolivia, Paraguay and Brazil would be allied with the Germans.

But of course Guerilla groups would pop up around the world. They would coordinate and make make things miserable for the Japanese and Germans.

Chances are would hear this on the clandestine liberation radios stations worldwide which is the March of the Guerillas -
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Postby Fintanland » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:01 pm

Scholencia wrote:It would happen like in the book Fatherland.

The Nazis would create a nazi EU where all fascist european nation would be members ( in real life the nazi government had such plan to make it after the war).

Partly, yes. Of course only the places run by Good Little Aryans would get to keep their puppet governments. The Slavic territories would be converted into land for German settlers, with the Slavs kept as a permanent uneducated serf caste (actually, much more evil plans such as deliberately restricting their access to food and medicine and encouraging contraception in order to have them slowly die out were also considered).
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:08 pm

Then Europe would be taken over by Germany and it and the USSR would be locked into either a open long and bloody war or a cold war.
The United States after pulling back would become more isolationist and eventually emerge to establish diplomatic relations with the new master of Europe (hey at least they're not commies right guys).
Japan would become the brutal master of South East Asia as well as the Pacific.
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Postby Cerantia » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:08 pm

Fintanland wrote:
Scholencia wrote:It would happen like in the book Fatherland.

The Nazis would create a nazi EU where all fascist european nation would be members ( in real life the nazi government had such plan to make it after the war).

Partly, yes. Of course only the places run by Good Little Aryans would get to keep their puppet governments. The Slavic territories would be converted into land for German settlers, with the Slavs kept as a permanent uneducated serf caste (actually, much more evil plans such as deliberately restricting their access to food and medicine and encouraging contraception in order to have them slowly die out were also considered).


Can someone remind me again as to /why/ the people of Germany backed Hitler, and /why/ Austria voted him in? Because aside from economic turmoil and fear, I'm still not getting this.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:10 pm

Cerantia wrote:
Fintanland wrote:Partly, yes. Of course only the places run by Good Little Aryans would get to keep their puppet governments. The Slavic territories would be converted into land for German settlers, with the Slavs kept as a permanent uneducated serf caste (actually, much more evil plans such as deliberately restricting their access to food and medicine and encouraging contraception in order to have them slowly die out were also considered).


Can someone remind me again as to /why/ the people of Germany backed Hitler, and /why/ Austria voted him in? Because aside from economic turmoil and fear, I'm still not getting this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitl ... e_to_power
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:11 pm

Cerantia wrote:
Fintanland wrote:Partly, yes. Of course only the places run by Good Little Aryans would get to keep their puppet governments. The Slavic territories would be converted into land for German settlers, with the Slavs kept as a permanent uneducated serf caste (actually, much more evil plans such as deliberately restricting their access to food and medicine and encouraging contraception in order to have them slowly die out were also considered).


Can someone remind me again as to /why/ the people of Germany backed Hitler, and /why/ Austria voted him in? Because aside from economic turmoil and fear, I'm still not getting this.

You'd be astonished at what a desperate people can do when you first fill their heads with fear and then hope.
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Postby Fintanland » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:13 pm

Cerantia wrote:Can someone remind me again as to /why/ the people of Germany backed Hitler, and /why/ Austria voted him in? Because aside from economic turmoil and fear, I'm still not getting this.

Complicated. Highly complicated. Here are some pointers:

-A feeling of national humiliation from a lost war and an unjust peace
-Economic troubles (the Weimar economy had been improving from 24 to 29, only to get caught in the Great Depression)
-A weak democratic tradition (both countries were on their first republics (and had replaced that with a dictatorship again in the case of Austria), and had been weakly parliamentary monarchies before)
-Hitler really was a fascinating orator
-Probably a lot of others
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Postby Cameroi » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:25 pm

they'd be history by now anyway. one way or another. most likely asia would have broken with europe and neither would have been able to hold the middle east. their supply lines to the western hemisphere would have been too unstable to hold, if they'd have even tried it. even the mediteranian would soon have broken with northern europe.
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Postby New Soviet Red Republic » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:25 pm

The new russian empires wrote:my country wouldn't even exist

Fuck Nazi Germany, mine would their asses lol

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Postby New Naephak » Sun Mar 10, 2013 6:28 pm

There would be no poni. A terrible place indeed.

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Postby Sidhae » Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:18 pm

Then the lot of us would probably be conversing in German rather than English right now, and at least as far the NSG's European membership is concerned, there would be a notable lack of Communist, LGBT and non-White members.

Instead of the boringly unoriginal variations of Sickle & Hammer flags we would have equally abundant and equally boring and unoriginal variations of Swastika flags here, and folks expressing dangerously liberal views could probably expect a rude awakening at night by chaps from the SD or the Gestapo, who would quickly and demonstrably explain why holding such views in the Reich is not desirable.

Instead of McDonald's we'd have McFuehrer or something along the line, with Waffen-SS action figures in the kids' meal package. Fritz fries anyone?

Everyone not in the Party to get some extras would probably own a VW Beetle or an Opel, so that would be a pity for the muscle car and SUV fans.

And lastly, there would be considerably less members here to begin with, having more important things to do - such as working in the factories of the Reich or rearing the minimum of four beautiful Aryan children that every good citizen of the Reich should have.
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Postby Fintanland » Sun Mar 10, 2013 7:19 pm

Sidhae wrote:And lastly, there would be considerably less members here to begin with, having more important things to do - such as working in the factories of the Reich or rearing the minimum of four beautiful Aryan children that every good citizen of the Reich should have.

Or being exterminated and/or taking part in pogroms. Authoritarianism is fun!
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Postby Port Charlotte » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:21 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Port Charlotte wrote:I have a WW2 simulator, as nations I played as German in 1937 and invaded and captured Washington D.C. so its very possible the invade

In a computer game, sure. No North Atlantic storms, no supply problems, none of that.

No in this simulation, weather affects trade and ship speed and movement of troops. The fleets pust have fuel with them or they will be dead in the water. If you don't have escorts on supply lines they will be cut off. This is a top grade simulation
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:17 am

Port Charlotte wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:In a computer game, sure. No North Atlantic storms, no supply problems, none of that.

No in this simulation, weather affects trade and ship speed and movement of troops. The fleets pust have fuel with them or they will be dead in the water. If you don't have escorts on supply lines they will be cut off. This is a top grade simulation

What's it called? And were you able to maintain your East Coast beachhead? Or does the game end when you capture the capital?
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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:22 am

Port Charlotte wrote:No in this simulation, weather affects trade and ship speed and movement of troops. The fleets pust have fuel with them or they will be dead in the water. If you don't have escorts on supply lines they will be cut off. This is a top grade simulation


This is not a drill though.

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Postby Kemalist » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:28 am

There would probably be a world-wide reaction to their regime they tried to spread because people like freedom and liberties, and they would fight for it.
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Postby Communist Wollongong » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:05 pm

Kemalist wrote:There would probably be a world-wide reaction to their regime they tried to spread because people like freedom and liberties, and they would fight for it.

I doubt it. There was not much resistance in Napoleon's vassal nations so why would there be any here.
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Postby Kemalist » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:24 pm

Communist Wollongong wrote:
Kemalist wrote:There would probably be a world-wide reaction to their regime they tried to spread because people like freedom and liberties, and they would fight for it.

I doubt it. There was not much resistance in Napoleon's vassal nations so why would there be any here.


Well, that's entirely a different time. There were some revolts in the territories under the Nazi occupation during the WWII. We still see protests against the totalitarian or authoritarian-leaning governments all around the world.
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