What if the Axis won the Second World War?

[Hornesia]

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This is the world in which the Axis have won from Philip K. Dick's novel The Man in the High Castle.

Dat Canada.

I think Alaska wouldn't exactly be Japan's fighting climate of choice, though. And the Rocky Mountain Buffer? I've never read The Man in the High Castle. What does this mean?

Actually, during the war, Japan invaded a series of Islands called the Aleutians which are part of Alaska.

[The twenty dying ravens]

then we didnt know any better than that the world was great

[Cerantia]

Dat Canada.

I think Alaska wouldn't exactly be Japan's fighting climate of choice, though. And the Rocky Mountain Buffer? I've never read The Man in the High Castle. What does this mean?

Actually, during the war, Japan invaded a series of Islands called the Aleutians which are part of Alaska.

Yeah, I heard about that. There was even a crashed recon plane in Alaska, right?

I'm not saying they wouldn't invade and succeed. They'd probably do so for the oil, most definitely. I just would love to imagine a Private being re-assigned from Iwo Jima to the northern portions of Alaska, and wondering which he would prefer xD

[Fintanland]

The difference being that provate ownership of capital and german efficiency would have brought permanent prosperity and peace to the continent.

German Efficiency? From the nazis? A movement infamous for bickering, infighting and specifically setting up competing departments so they keep each other from usurping power from the Leader?

[DizKneeLandRand]

Modern UK, not England. Ask the Spanish.

Ummm....the Dutch invaded after the Spanish. Don't they teach history in school anymore?

Oh that one, yeah but that was because James II was a weakling and a wanted England to be Catholic. I mean what moron would think dropping the royal seal in the Thames would disrupt Parliament?

Modern UK, not England. Ask the Spanish.

It was still just England when they tried that.

Yes it was still England but it was still modern.

[Cerantia]

The difference being that provate ownership of capital and german efficiency would have brought permanent prosperity and peace to the continent.

German Efficiency? From the nazis? A movement infamous for bickering, infighting and specifically setting up competing departments so they keep each other from usurping power from the Leader?

Not to mention a number of assassination attempts.

[Fintanland]

Germany was wholly capable of winning WWII, if their strategies in blitzing the Soviet Union were more sound, and put more emphasis in the capture of Moscow and the Soviet High Command rather than Adolf Hitler's insane obsession of capturing Leningrad. The Eastern Front (or Western, if you're Russian) for Germany was a massive resource and manpower sink that, if was won quickly, could have allowed Germany to ship a massive number of battle-tested Veterans around to face the combined Allies forces.

The US's massive industrial strength is almost worthless due to the ocean. They would not be able to ship enough material at once, even if they secure a beachhead and held it long enough to land tanks and supplies, against the combined force of the Luftwaffe, Panzer tank divisions, and Wehrmacht infantry. To secure a decent landing area in Europe, the Allies would have to get access through Spain, which probably would have triggered a German invasion, which the German forces would have won. Easily.

I do not think the Soviets would have stopped fighting even after the capture of Moscow. Large parts of their industrial capacity had already been evacuated behind the Urals at that point. There would likely be a small chance of victory if Japan had invaded simultaneously, forcing Stalin into a two-front war...

I am not thinking about direct US intervention, but about supporting the allies with weapons (as they did in our timeline). They more than had the shipbuilding capacity to do that with ease. They proved that during the war.

[Napkiraly]

Well a lot of us would be Nazi's, for starters.

[Arumdaum]

If the Axis won...

Most of us on here would never have been born. Most Koreans would likely see themselves as an extension of the the greater Yamato race.

There would most definitely be revolutions and revolts, which would eventually be too much for Japan, Germany, and Italy to handle. Germans, Japanese, and Italians would all be minorities within their own empires. Tensions between Germany and Japan would likely increase, and there would be more support for fascism within the United States. Likely, they would all slowly liberalize.

[Rubiconic Crossings V2 rev 1f]

Ummm....the Dutch invaded after the Spanish. Don't they teach history in school anymore?

Oh that one, yeah but that was because James II was a weakling and a wanted England to be Catholic. I mean what moron would think dropping the royal seal in the Thames would disrupt Parliament?

It was still just England when they tried that.

Yes it was still England but it was still modern.

Yeah...that one. The only one.

[Kaledoria]

Let's check all the theaters:

Europe:

Britania: There would have been no victory without massive destruction. Germany's victory might have been through the A-Bomb in their hand (although one should remember that conventional bombings were generally better a spending of the money, the A-Bomb was not that important, however, the shock would have made it worth it, if...) And London was completely razed. Germany sets up a harsh control over the Liverpool/Manchester area and has a good grip on the isles without exposing to much spots to resistances. Overall the British population is struggling and rebuilding and not waging much guerrilla warfare.

France: Whoever said that Polish resistance would be a problem for Germany: Not in any comparison to France. The Lands are an infrastructural necessity to the 3rd Reich and the population had been trained in resistance fighting since the war. I think this would be a constant source of attrition for the Germans but over the time, they would use propaganda to take away the public support of the resistance. It would take about 50 years at least, however, a good 2 generations, I'd say.

The Mediterrans: There was enough support in Spain, they would have governed themselves easily in the German favor. Italy controls Greece well and also Istanbul and thus much of the Turkish infrastructure.

Balkans: There was enough support. Maybe Hungary emerges as a German client state to take primary responsibility of keeping the Balkan secured.

The East: So, the winter of the century did not happen and Germany overrun Russia... The result is probably some point where the Germans advance to and call everything northeast of it wilderness, Maybe Kazan or somewhere around there. The result is a permanent central Asian warzone because it's (by 1950 technology) not possible to patrol the lands but on the other hand, it's hard for the Resistance fighters from northern Kazakhstan to strike at somewhere in Europe the other direction, too.
Maybe in time a Great wall would be build, surpassing even the wall of China (in length, height would be rather the like the German great wall ) to lock this terrorist-spawning wilderness up, or the advancements in Aircrafts and Radar (real timeline 80s and 90s respectively) makes it possible to finally advance into remote area Russia.



America: America is not important. Without England, the US could not get their troops to Europe in one piece but the other way around isn't really easy either. They just call it a peace because what else can they do? ... Well, cold war.



Asia: Japan directly controls Korea and much of northeast China, giving it a well-secured power base, while governing Southeast Asia through client States (Thailand).
India is very fractioned between pro British resistance, anti-British democrats and anti-British fascists. For the sake of the scenario, let's say a fascist Hindustan emerges. Japan's influence reaches up west until east India while Hindustan is Deli/Pakistan/Afghanistan. It does have more liberties from Germany then most states.




Africa and middle east: In Southwest Africa, Germany had some support and could create some stable client states, Middle East however - Arabia, Persia - I don't know, what would pop up there, but as far as I see, there wasn't any particularry dominant movement so I guess it would stay fractured by infighting for some time.
South and East Africa - Well, Maybe Germany or Italy would establish some control, that should be easy, though it would still be economically unefficient so in some time, it would probably be released as soon as halfway save.

[Indira]

I would have probably never been born.

[Fintanland]

My great-uncle would have never complained that the Russians did not leave a receipt for the stuff they looted from him (he was a bit of a cloudcuckoolander).

[Greed and Death]

What if Germany destroyed the British Fleet in the Atlantic, and starved the country to death with their submarines? What if they pushed the soviets back and tok the USSR? What if japan sunk the two american Aircraft Carriers at Pearl?

I believe if the War in Europe was won with the Invasion of Britian the United states would have been invaded on three fronts. East, West from Germany and Japan and Mexico would Turn and invade from the south.

Mexico might, and I stress the word /might/, have invaded in WWI if Germany was sure to win. But in WWII? I'm not so sure on that.
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In WWI the Mexican government was not interested at all, they view their former territory as too full of Gringos with guns to be worth taking.

[Nazis in Space]

Obama wouldn't be president.

[Disserbia]

I'd be dead.

[Elanore]

there would be peace in the middle east

[Saiwania]

I think the world would be much Whiter and that is a good thing from my perspective. Although, a lot of the Holocaust victims were White. So the Nazis winning probably wouldn't have been good.

[Fintanland]

I think the world would be much Whiter and that is a good thing from my perspective. Although, a lot of the Holocaust victims were White. So the Nazis winning probably wouldn't have been good.

Much whiter? Why is a bloody skin colour more important than millions of people now labouring under one of the most infamously oppressive regimes in history?

[Farnhamia]

Swastikas and Nazi symbols would not be banned on NSG, which would make some people happy, assuming their forebears existed long enough to beget them.

[Blazedtown]

The only way the Japanese could have won in WW2 is if a weaboo builds a time traveling Gundam. Even if they got our carriers at Pearl, or at Midway, we would have replaced them by the summer of 1943, and would gain carrier superiority by the spring of 44 and 2-1 ratio by the summer of 46. Japan's fate was sealed as soon as the Pearl Harbor Force set sail.

[DuThaal Craftworld]

Obama wouldn't be president.

There would be no president.

[Democratic Koyro]

I imagine the Greater German Empire would eventually go the same way that the Roman Empire did.

[Farnhamia]

Obama wouldn't be president.

There would be no president.

There might be. The Germans and the Japanese would probably allow a puppet US to exist. It would be easier for them than to run the whole continent.

[Fintanland]

There might be. The Germans and the Japanese would probably allow a puppet US to exist. It would be easier for them than to run the whole continent.

I agree. While the Germans did have some vague fanciful plans of invasion, and some "Amerika Bomber" prototypes actually flew, it would have been inconvenient for them to actually invade. It would be much more feasible for them to isolate the US as either a neutral or a puppet state.