What is Rape?

[Ifreann]

This thread is about what rape is, not whether you think it's bad.

Rape is bad.

Am I doing it right?

What you're trying to do? I've seen better.

[Ostroeuropa]

By the way, courts do not find people innocent. They find people not guilty.
There is a difference.


Guilty -> Accusations are proven
Not Guilty -> Accusations are not proven
NOT -> Accusations are proven to be false

We de-facto DO assume he is innocent until he is guilty, but we do not assume someone is lying with the accusation either.

Some courts do, in fact, find people innocent.

Sure. But that isn't the typical thing to do. If someone was accused of rape and actually found innocent by the court, yes, I would totally assume the accuser was lying.
I wouldn't assume that for a mere not guilty verdict.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

Rape is bad.

Am I doing it right?

What you're trying to do? I've seen better.

Trying to not be a conservative.

[Des-Bal]

I already did.

Not any relevant ones. A Docket number is all we need, or even just the names of the parties involved and the state they were in.

[Des-Bal]

Trying to not be a conservative.

So conservatives don't believe rape is bad?

[Northern Skatchbrod]

Trying to not be a conservative.

So conservatives don't believe rape is bad?

No, but many conservatives think of it as less serious than most liberals do.

[Evraim]

If shitstorm = arguments, then yes.

We'll shit all over you.

Charming.

[Ifreann]

If shitstorm = arguments, then yes.

We'll shit all over you.

Charming.

Yet accurate.

[Des-Bal]

No, but many conservatives think of it as less serious than most liberals do.

If you have to reload after you've finished shooting yourself in the foot you're not helping your case.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

No, but many conservatives think of it as less serious than most liberals do.

If you have to reload after you've finished shooting yourself in the foot you're not helping your case.

I don't understand the reference.

[Evraim]

Yet accurate.

I never disputed the accuracy of the statement. However, it might be more fruitful if one person tosses questions while he or she answers them in a satisfactory manner. That would resolve complaints, at least for the moment.

I don't like shitposts. Especially not shitposts apologising for rape (something there's been a disturbing and remarkable increase of in the past week or so I'll add).

I concur with this sentiment. When did this happen?

Also, howdy.

No, but many conservatives think of it as less serious than most liberals do.

Source please?

[Des-Bal]

I don't understand the reference.

To shoot yourself in the foot is to hinder yourself with your words or actions
To reload is to load a weapon with ammunition, presumably after it's supply has been exhausted

You've shot yourself in the foot so many times you're going to have to reload.

[Constaniana]

This thread gave me cancer.

[Northern Dominus]

So conservatives don't believe rape is bad?

No, but many conservatives think of it as less serious than most liberals do.

Less serious than what exactly? I dunno if you got the memo but rape is a very very bad thing. I won't say homicide is better, but at least with homicide the victim is dead and doesn't have to experience recurring psychological trauma, abuse via the legal system, and ridicule from misoganist primitive overgrown children who think that what their daddy told them between in between rounds of raping and beating their mothers about women and how they're all lying whores is absolutely true who make assertions like "She really wanted it" or "She's making a false report because she regrets the sex".

The physical act is just the first part of the rape. Then there's the trauma that comes after it. How is that not "serious" exactly?

[The Merchant Republics]

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When a woman says no, should a man instantly stop and back off? I think no, because doing so is unsexy and women like to be chased -- you aren't going to get laid very often if you stop at the first lick of resistance.

Yes. Depending on the context. If by saying "no" you mean, you ask "Hey baby, would you like to have sex" and she says "No." There's still an acceptable room for just, changing your approach. Like not being a jackass.

If by saying "no", you mean your physically attempting to touch in a sexual way, and she's say "No.", if you continue. You are in fact, a rapist.

There's some loaded terms besides "no", for instance, you mean "chase" as in "vie after", "court" or "charm", certainly a single rejection isn't enough to give up. But if by "chase" you mean "pursue", "hunt" or "follow", yeah you are a rapist. Again.

If a woman has enjoys forceful men, men who kiss her without her consent and don't let her go even if she is trying to forcefully push them off and get away, is it rape to force oneself upon her? and if it is rape is it wrong? I know one such girl, she told me about one time when she was put in that situation and she ultimately gave in and began kissing back and she really really enjoyed the whole affair, in hindsight.

Yep. This is rape. And a classic rape defense. "She liked it", doesn't matter if you forced it on her. If she really "liked it" she wouldn't be pressing charges. The only time this isn't rape is when the girl decides it isn't rape, like your friend. It's not alright that anyone did that to her, and had she not decided to consent, it would be rape. The perpetrator is a rapist who happened to have the very very good luck of finding the a woman who didn't call it such.

Why is it rape to have sex with a girl who is drunk? Does it matter if you are also drunk? While I understand it is kind-of rapey to get a girl drunk with this intention, its not as if alcohol mind controls women into becoming sex slaves, it only lowers their inhibitions. If one encounters an inebriated woman and seduces her, why is it fair for her to cry rape when she sobers up?

If she doesn't want to have sex with you sober, she doesn't want to have sex with you. Period.

It's rape to take advantage of a drunk person, their lowered inhibitions make it hard for them to make good decisions. Sex is a mutual contract, if she isn't capable of informed consent, it isn't mutual.

Again, if she wakes up and says "yes, I would have slept with you, if I were sober." good job, you got lucky. But what you did was still rape.

If a woman never actually says no, and merely implies lack of consent by not cooperating with the sex, covering herself up with blankets, and complaining that it hurts, but she previously DID consent verbally to having sex with you, and you disregard her obvious discomfort and continue using her for your own pleasure, are you a rapist?

YES! Sweet merciful heavens, how is that not clear as day to you?


The problem here seems to be that you are incapable of putting yourself inside the woman's perspective. Imagine if a burly man, ran up to you, grabbed you and kissed you, right now. What would you do? Kick at him, push him away, say "No!"? So far, nothing you have done falls into "saying no" under your definition above, so he gropes at you some more? How exactly do you signal that you don't want to have sex with this man? A flare gun? Sign language? Interpretive dance?

Now, imagine he gets the hint, "not now", you go back to your merry way, wake up the next morning. Boom, he's in your bed. Apparently you got drunk enough that he convinced you to? Same guy, (oh and do remember, I'm not changing your gender for this experiment) as the one who groped you in the bar. You know you wouldn't have consented to having sex with him, you were definitely passed out when it happened. Are you really going to tell me that it's not a violation of your body to do that?

This whole OP just reeks of misogyny. Just because "women like to be pursued", does not make their mindset any less alike to yours on what constitutes a violation of their body.

[Evraim]

This thread gave me cancer.

I would have thought it might fry your brain first.

[Des-Bal]

Less serious than what exactly? I dunno if you got the memo but rape is a very very bad thing. I won't say homicide is better, but at least with homicide the victim is dead and doesn't have to experience recurring psychological trauma, abuse via the legal system, and ridicule from misoganist primitive overgrown children who think that what their daddy told them between in between rounds of raping and beating their mothers about women and how they're all lying whores is absolutely true who make assertions like "She really wanted it" or "She's making a false report because she regrets the sex".

The physical act is just the first part of the rape. Then there's the trauma that comes after it. How is that not "serious" exactly?

So if rape victims were lucky they'd be dead?

[Northern Skatchbrod]

No, but many conservatives think of it as less serious than most liberals do.

Less serious than what exactly? I dunno if you got the memo but rape is a very very bad thing. I won't say homicide is better, but at least with homicide the victim is dead and doesn't have to experience recurring psychological trauma, abuse via the legal system, and ridicule from misoganist primitive overgrown children who think that what their daddy told them between in between rounds of raping and beating their mothers about women and how they're all lying whores is absolutely true who make assertions like "She really wanted it" or "She's making a false report because she regrets the sex".

The physical act is just the first part of the rape. Then there's the trauma that comes after it. How is that not "serious" exactly?

It is serious. When did I say it isn't? This forum is driving me insane.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

I don't understand the reference.

To shoot yourself in the foot is to hinder yourself with your words or actions
To reload is to load a weapon with ammunition, presumably after it's supply has been exhausted

You've shot yourself in the foot so many times you're going to have to reload.

Sounds like shit.

[Des-Bal]

Sounds like shit.

It is. It's so much shit. To get out of this shit you're either going to have to help us track down third party information about the case or just stop talking.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

Sounds like shit.

It is. It's so much shit. To get out of this shit you're either going to have to help us track down third party information about the case or just stop talking.

I did stop talking about it.

[Northern Dominus]

Less serious than what exactly? I dunno if you got the memo but rape is a very very bad thing. I won't say homicide is better, but at least with homicide the victim is dead and doesn't have to experience recurring psychological trauma, abuse via the legal system, and ridicule from misoganist primitive overgrown children who think that what their daddy told them between in between rounds of raping and beating their mothers about women and how they're all lying whores is absolutely true who make assertions like "She really wanted it" or "She's making a false report because she regrets the sex".

The physical act is just the first part of the rape. Then there's the trauma that comes after it. How is that not "serious" exactly?

So if rape victims were lucky they'd be dead?

Rape victims are dead to a degree. Not entirely, obviously. But a part of them, a very vital part dies after a rape, one that allows them to trust more regularly or doesn't see every compliment as an attempt to initiate unwanted sexual contact and other outward signs

Not all victims display behaviors to that degree, and some adapt better than others. But the trauma of being raped is a sort of living death in a way.

Less serious than what exactly? I dunno if you got the memo but rape is a very very bad thing. I won't say homicide is better, but at least with homicide the victim is dead and doesn't have to experience recurring psychological trauma, abuse via the legal system, and ridicule from misoganist primitive overgrown children who think that what their daddy told them between in between rounds of raping and beating their mothers about women and how they're all lying whores is absolutely true who make assertions like "She really wanted it" or "She's making a false report because she regrets the sex".

The physical act is just the first part of the rape. Then there's the trauma that comes after it. How is that not "serious" exactly?

It is serious. When did I say it isn't? This forum is driving me insane.

The part where you said it's "less serious" than something.
Less serious than what, specifically? Because rape is a pretty goddamn serious problem.

[Esternial]

This thread gave me cancer.

Congrats, but we're not discussing cancer here.

[EnragedMaldivians]

No, but many conservatives think of it as less serious than most liberals do.

Less serious than what exactly? I dunno if you got the memo but rape is a very very bad thing. I won't say homicide is better, but at least with homicide the victim is dead and doesn't have to experience recurring psychological trauma, abuse via the legal system, and ridicule from misoganist primitive overgrown children who think that what their daddy told them between in between rounds of raping and beating their mothers about women and how they're all lying whores is absolutely true who make assertions like "She really wanted it" or "She's making a false report because she regrets the sex".

The physical act is just the first part of the rape. Then there's the trauma that comes after it. How is that not "serious" exactly?

Wait, did N. Skatchbrod mean that conservatives thinking rape is less serious than most liberals do reflects well on conservatives (regardless of the truth of the assertion)?

Holy fuck! It'd be nice to have a punching bag and a pair of boxing gloves handy right now.

[Des-Bal]

I did stop talking about it.

Good call, you probably should have made it before you called a rape victim a lying slut but still good call.