What is Rape?

[Des-Bal]

Terrorism is not the same thing as rape.

We weren't talking about terrorism when you said innocent until proven guilty shouldn't exist.

[Individuality-ness]

I never said that all the rapes are caused by women. That's simply what your liberal eyes see. As said earlier, the false rape accusations are about 2-7% of the rape accusations as a whole.

Aaaand your source for that figure would be what exactly? Because your good word isn't good enough, not by a country city...any colloquial mile really.

Actually, the 2-7% unfounded rape accusation is what I said, and here's source.

[Puah-Puah Kepulauan]

A rape in modern nations is surprisingly often a woman regretting having sex with a man, and telling everyone he raped him.

A whole other thing in developing countries.

That's why women in liberal, industrial nations should be very, very grateful to all the women who fought and fight for their right to take judicial action when they were / feel raped. It is not a matter of course and hopefully an achievemt the women of the less developped countries will acquire in the future, too.

However, yes, there are women who exploit those rights. It's absolutely normal as the women rights are still new to our societies and people, men as well as women, have to learn how to handle that equality. This development causes debates, irritations and discrepancies, but with the neccessary efforts and patience of all sides concerned it will lead to a society of mutual appreciation in the future.

The woman was a local girl who's had sex with almost everyone in town.

Ah, the old story. Women who enjoy their sexual freedom become irresponsible rape victims or even potential rapers. She didn't have sex with you, did she? I think so as you aren't in jail right know because of being accused of rape by the evil system.

Yeah, yes. Either you're a woman or a hippie man, because otherwise you'd know it by instinct. The justice system is unequal.

Also, women can't realize when the system acts in their favor and male feminists are all hippies. We all should be glad that there are still people like you who know exactly how society should work.

Yes, that's the point I was making. He's saying innocent until proven guilty shouldn't exist as a principle and I'm challenging him to back that up.

If the police accuses someone of plotting terrorism, they should catch him and seek proper proof of him plotting. Till it's found, he's guilty.

In Germany, we made some experiences with the realization of your idea. Somehow it didn't really work out well.

[Owl Cities]

Did I ever say such a thing? You said everyone should be presumed guilty until proven innocent. I'm just applying what you suggested.

Guilty until proven innocent. If there is no actual proof of him raping her, like cameras or such, he's a free man.

But he can't prove that he didn't rape her, so he's guilty. All the evidence of this clearly nonexistent man's innocence we have is your assessment of his also nonexistent character.

[Esternial]

Did I ever say such a thing? You said everyone should be presumed guilty until proven innocent. I'm just applying what you suggested.

Guilty until proven innocent. If there is no actual proof of him raping her, like cameras or such, he's a free man.

No proof of innocence.

Semen is possible proof of guilt.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

Terrorism is not the same thing as rape.

We weren't talking about terrorism when you said innocent until proven guilty shouldn't exist.

Exactly. If it cannot be proven that he raped her, he's free.

[Des-Bal]

Guilty until proven innocent. If there is no actual proof of him raping her, like cameras or such, he's a free man.

Uh no, guilty until proven innocent means he's guilty the instant she accuses him.

[Kromar]

So you're saying consent isn't the actual issue, it's the emotional state of the victim?

From the perspective I'm coming from and if I understand what you're saying, then yes. Again, this has nothing to do with legal definitions, but how we react to victims. I think that's the far more important part.

First let me say that I am sorry for what happened to, and you can feel free to not answer any part or all of this, but I think you are in a unique position to answer my original basic question and I hope that you will do so.

Can you please explain how exactly it happened to you? Could the rapist have honestly not realized anything was wrong? I wish to avoid causing harm, if possible. Basically... where did he go wrong? At what point in your case did it go bad?

[Northern Skatchbrod]

Guilty until proven innocent. If there is no actual proof of him raping her, like cameras or such, he's a free man.

No proof of innocence.

Semen is possible proof of guilt.

No proof of guilt.

Bypassers saw her flirting with him and invited him to the room.

[Individuality-ness]

We're going to have a trial? No, no, no, we'll just hang you first, then we'll talk about trials later.

*scoffs*

Hanging? Good, wholesome people burn criminals at the stake for witchery and other such transgressions against Providence.

*dons stereotypical Puritan clothing*

Ohh, but burning them at the stake is too good for them! We should crush them with stones!

[Des-Bal]

Exactly. If it cannot be proven that he raped her, he's free.

Okay so you either don't know what innocent, guilty, or proof mean.

[Ifreann]

Why should we counter your bollocks second hand anecdote? Even if you aren't making the whole thing up, and I don't believe that for a second, so fucking what? One person may have been falsely accused of rape, does that mean we don't need to teach people about rape and consent? Obviously not. So what are you getting at? Why are you telling us this little tale of woe?

I never said that all the rapes are caused by women. That's simply what your liberal eyes see.

I have said literally nothing along those lines. Please read my posts before you respond to them.

As said earlier, the false rape accusations are about 2-7% of the rape accusations as a whole.

Okay. But answer my questions. Why are you regaling us with this "factual" tale? What does your "friend" and his "experience" have to do with anything?

[Northern Skatchbrod]

Guilty until proven innocent. If there is no actual proof of him raping her, like cameras or such, he's a free man.

Uh no, guilty until proven innocent means he's guilty the instant she accuses him.

Then what I believe in is neither of the systems. Damnit.

[Esternial]

We weren't talking about terrorism when you said innocent until proven guilty shouldn't exist.

Exactly. If it cannot be proven that he raped her, he's free.

So innocent until proven guilty?

You're contradicting yourself, buddy.

[Evraim]

That's nice dear, but false rape accusations only make up 2-7% of total reported cases.

One of you liberals posted this. I trust him/her to prove his/her claims.

I'm a conservative. I just happen not to like rape apologists or their arguments.

[Esternial]

Uh no, guilty until proven innocent means he's guilty the instant she accuses him.

Then what I believe in is neither of the systems. Damnit.

You believe in the one that best benefits you and your friend, right?

[Northern Skatchbrod]

I never said that all the rapes are caused by women. That's simply what your liberal eyes see.

I have said literally nothing along those lines. Please read my posts before you respond to them.

As said earlier, the false rape accusations are about 2-7% of the rape accusations as a whole.

Okay. But answer my questions. Why are you regaling us with this "factual" tale? What does your "friend" and his "experience" have to do with anything?

About the fact that some men are in jail for a rape that didn't happen. I dropped the fact here, and on comes a liberal wave with bullshit.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

Then what I believe in is neither of the systems. Damnit.

You believe in the one that best benefits you and your friend, right?

Yeap.

[Threlizdun]

Guilty until proven innocent. If there is no actual proof of him raping her, like cameras or such, he's a free man.

No, you said yourself that if no proof is found that they are to be presumed guilty until they find some. Need I remind you?

If the police accuses someone of plotting terrorism, they should catch him and seek proper proof of him plotting. Till it's found, he's guilty.

[Owl Cities]

No proof of innocence.

Semen is possible proof of guilt.

No proof of guilt.

Bypassers saw her flirting with him and invited him to the room.

At this point, I'm pretty sure you don't know what the phrase "Guilty until proven innocent" even means. It means that we don't need proof of guilt, he needs proof of innocence.

[Des-Bal]

Then what I believe in is neither of the systems. Damnit.

Innocent until proven guilty means he's innocent until he's proven guilty. That's what you're describing the problem is you don't understand how proof works. It does not in any way shape or form require video evidence.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

One of you liberals posted this. I trust him/her to prove his/her claims.

I'm a conservative. I just happen not to like rape apologists or their arguments.

Good. I don't like rapists either, which is why I support the death penalty.

[Esternial]

I have said literally nothing along those lines. Please read my posts before you respond to them.

Okay. But answer my questions. Why are you regaling us with this "factual" tale? What does your "friend" and his "experience" have to do with anything?

About the fact that some men are in jail for a rape that didn't happen. I dropped the fact here, and on comes a liberal wave with bullshit.

Sadly not enough to take down your skyscraper of bullshit. Now stop the 'you herdurdamn liberal' business and crack out some actual arguments.

[Individuality-ness]

One of you liberals posted this. I trust him/her to prove his/her claims.

I'm a conservative. I just happen not to like rape apologists or their arguments.

I think both sides could come to an agreement on two things:
- "Israel is good."
- "Rape is bad and people who apologize for it should feel bad."

[Northern Dominus]

Aaaand your source for that figure would be what exactly? Because your good word isn't good enough, not by a country city...any colloquial mile really.

That's nice dear, but false rape accusations only make up 2-7% of total reported cases.

One of you liberals posted this. I trust him/her to prove his/her claims.

Aaand while Indiv...wait he already cited it.

Alright, so it's 2-7%. How is that in any way a bigger problem than the gain of almost 4% in reported rape in 2012?
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... p_2012.xls

How?