What is Rape?

[Individuality-ness]

It does. That's why we have police who check out claims. If there was enough evidence to go to trial and land your friend in jail, then he probably did actually rape her; whether you think so or not is irrelevant.

How the fuck can they check whether or not she was raped in a noisy club?

Do you know what a fucking rape kit is? Blood tests? Witnesses? Testimony?

[The Steel Magnolia]

Funnily enough, you'll find that muscle mass is often irrelevant when it comes to rape.

Illogical words.

If you can't understand them, that's your problem.

[Northern Dominus]

And just because you know him that does not automatically mean he's innocent and she's guilty. That's for a court of law and the justice system to prove, not your own judgement which does come with a hefty bias given your description.

And again, as I keep saying, if what you said is true then it's still not the norm for reporting rape, and to allege that false reporting is the norm makes a person a spiritual accomplice to any rape thereafter.

The court system is flawed.

Yes it is. Victims of rape often don't get justice because of intentionally murky mysoginist ideas like the one you're peddling get thrown out in the open far too often without people shouting them down faster. This happens far more frequently than false reports of rape, which does happen but on an infitesimally smaller scale than rapists intimidating their victims into not testifying.

Slut-shaming is so 2012, time to move on, isn't it?

[Ifreann]

Was this before or after you invented the lightbulb?

Come on, if you're going to bullshit us, at least make it amusing bullshit.

And this is why I didn't want to slip in here. People claiming bullshit because they have no counters.

Why should we counter your bollocks second hand anecdote? Even if you aren't making the whole thing up, and I don't believe that for a second, so fucking what? One person may have been falsely accused of rape, does that mean we don't need to teach people about rape and consent? Obviously not. So what are you getting at? Why are you telling us this little tale of woe?

[Threlizdun]

Yes, that's the point I was making. He's saying innocent until proven guilty shouldn't exist as a principle and I'm challenging him to back that up.

If the police accuses someone of plotting terrorism, they should catch him and seek proper proof of him plotting. Till it's found, he's guilty.

I'm accusing you of raping me. Until they find the evidence, you are guilty. If they find no evidence, then clearly it is hidden, so you are guilty. Off to prison with you.

[Evraim]

I accuse you of plotting 9/11. Prove you didn't.

I was seven years old, and at school on the day of the attacks. I have witnesses who can validate my alibi.

Point taken though.

[Ifreann]

I accuse you of plotting 9/11. Prove you didn't.

I was seven years old, and at school on the day of the attacks. I have witnesses who can validate my alibi.

Point taken though.

I accuse the witnesses of being your co-conspirators.

[Threlizdun]

I was seven years old, and at school on the day of the attacks. I have witnesses who can validate my alibi.

Point taken though.

I accuse the witnesses of being your co-conspirators.

If the judge still somehow rules them innocent, we'll accuse them of bribery.

[Ifreann]

I accuse the witnesses of being your co-conspirators.

If the judge still somehow rules them innocent, we'll accuse them of bribery.

And him of taking the bribes. And rape.

[Evraim]

I accuse the witnesses of being your co-conspirators.

If the judge still somehow rules them innocent, we'll accuse them of bribery.

I'll just accuse the both of you of being witches first. Then, my lawyer will bring up issues of witness credibility during my trial.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

How the fuck can they check whether or not she was raped in a noisy club?

Quite easily. Witness reports, DNA testing in the event of a mistaken claim, evidence in the area.

He went to the room alone with her, there were no damned cameras, of course there was semen, the bed was ruffled of course.

[Individuality-ness]

If the judge still somehow rules them innocent, we'll accuse them of bribery.

I'll just accuse the both of you of being witches first. Then, my lawyer will bring up issues of witness credibility during my trial.

We're going to have a trial? No, no, no, we'll just hang you first, then we'll talk about trials later.

[Ifreann]

Quite easily. Witness reports, DNA testing in the event of a mistaken claim, evidence in the area.

He went to the room alone with her, there were no damned cameras, of course there was semen, the bed was ruffled of course.

A bed in a noisy club? Come on, dude, keep your lies straight.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

If the police accuses someone of plotting terrorism, they should catch him and seek proper proof of him plotting. Till it's found, he's guilty.

I'm accusing you of raping me. Until they find the evidence, you are guilty. If they find no evidence, then clearly it is hidden, so you are guilty. Off to prison with you.

Terrorism is not the same thing as rape.

[Threlizdun]

Quite easily. Witness reports, DNA testing in the event of a mistaken claim, evidence in the area.

He went to the room alone with her, there were no damned cameras, of course there was semen, the bed was ruffled of course.

We're not listening to your lies rapist. We've accused you of numerous crimes already, and by default you are guilty.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

And this is why I didn't want to slip in here. People claiming bullshit because they have no counters.

Why should we counter your bollocks second hand anecdote? Even if you aren't making the whole thing up, and I don't believe that for a second, so fucking what? One person may have been falsely accused of rape, does that mean we don't need to teach people about rape and consent? Obviously not. So what are you getting at? Why are you telling us this little tale of woe?

I never said that all the rapes are caused by women. That's simply what your liberal eyes see. As said earlier, the false rape accusations are about 2-7% of the rape accusations as a whole.

[Esternial]

I'm accusing you of raping me. Until they find the evidence, you are guilty. If they find no evidence, then clearly it is hidden, so you are guilty. Off to prison with you.

Terrorism is not the same thing as rape.

They why bring it up?

[Northern Skatchbrod]

He went to the room alone with her, there were no damned cameras, of course there was semen, the bed was ruffled of course.

We're not listening to your lies rapist. We've accused you of numerous crimes already, and by default you are guilty.

I believe this forums has rules about calling people extremely offensive names.

[Northern Dominus]

Why should we counter your bollocks second hand anecdote? Even if you aren't making the whole thing up, and I don't believe that for a second, so fucking what? One person may have been falsely accused of rape, does that mean we don't need to teach people about rape and consent? Obviously not. So what are you getting at? Why are you telling us this little tale of woe?

I never said that all the rapes are caused by women. That's simply what your liberal eyes see. As said earlier, the false rape accusations are about 2-7% of the rape accusations as a whole.

Aaaand your source for that figure would be what exactly? Because your good word isn't good enough, not by a country city...any colloquial mile really.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

Terrorism is not the same thing as rape.

They why bring it up?

I didn't bring it up.

[Evraim]

I'll just accuse the both of you of being witches first. Then, my lawyer will bring up issues of witness credibility during my trial.

We're going to have a trial? No, no, no, we'll just hang you first, then we'll talk about trials later.

*scoffs*

Hanging? Good, wholesome people burn criminals at the stake for witchery and other such transgressions against Providence.

*dons stereotypical Puritan clothing*

He went to the room alone with her, there were no damned cameras, of course there was semen, the bed was ruffled of course.

There were beds in the club?

Also, a number of other evidence might have been employed to secure a conviction. For example, victim testimony, eye witness accounts, trauma, etc. etc.

[Threlizdun]

Terrorism is not the same thing as rape.

Did I ever say such a thing? You said everyone should be presumed guilty until proven innocent. I'm just applying what you suggested.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

I never said that all the rapes are caused by women. That's simply what your liberal eyes see. As said earlier, the false rape accusations are about 2-7% of the rape accusations as a whole.

Aaaand your source for that figure would be what exactly? Because your good word isn't good enough, not by a country city...any colloquial mile really.

Personal experience is a bitch.

That's nice dear, but false rape accusations only make up 2-7% of total reported cases.

One of you liberals posted this. I trust him/her to prove his/her claims.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

Terrorism is not the same thing as rape.

Did I ever say such a thing? You said everyone should be presumed guilty until proven innocent. I'm just applying what you suggested.

Guilty until proven innocent. If there is no actual proof of him raping her, like cameras or such, he's a free man.

[Esternial]

Terrorism is not the same thing as rape.

Did I ever say such a thing? You said everyone should be presumed guilty until proven innocent. I'm just applying what you suggested.

Not when his mate is involved. Then the entire justice system is flawed *nod*

Oh you conservatives.