What is Rape?

[Des-Bal]

There's "lesser" and then there's negligently under-punished. Again, given what we know about psychological trauma, surely the sexual assault crimes should receive a revamp of some sort to reflect that, should they not?

No.

[The Steel Magnolia]

And what side did you get? His? Ever think he might have a bit of bias? Were you a prosecutor? Police officer? Medical professional? Linked at all to the case besides "at a party with this guy"?

And what if he did in fact rape that woman, what if "no" was uttered and he pressed on against her wishes? How do you know ANY of it beyond what this alleged victim of false reporting said?

I was next to him when he went in, and I've known him for his whole life. He's a law-abiding citizen. A weak and stuttering young guy. The woman was a local girl who's had sex with almost everyone in town.

Ah, slut shaming. Because she`s had sex before, she couldn`t possibly have been raped!

[Northern Skatchbrod]

And that's too much. Whatever you liberal mind tells you, the thing is that when women accuse men of rape, the men are widely discriminated against in the justice system.

Yeah... no.

Yeah, yes. Either you're a woman or a hippie man, because otherwise you'd know it by instinct. The justice system is unequal.

[Northern Dominus]

And what side did you get? His? Ever think he might have a bit of bias? Were you a prosecutor? Police officer? Medical professional? Linked at all to the case besides "at a party with this guy"?

And what if he did in fact rape that woman, what if "no" was uttered and he pressed on against her wishes? How do you know ANY of it beyond what this alleged victim of false reporting said?

I was next to him when he went in, and I've known him for his whole life. He's a law-abiding citizen. A weak and stuttering young guy. The woman was a local girl who's had sex with almost everyone in town.

And just because you know him that does not automatically mean he's innocent and she's guilty. That's for a court of law and the justice system to prove, not your own judgement which does come with a hefty bias given your description.

And again, as I keep saying, if what you said is true then it's still not the norm for reporting rape, and to allege that false reporting is the norm makes a person a spiritual accomplice to any rape thereafter.

[Individuality-ness]

Yeah... no.

Yeah, yes. Either you're a woman or a hippie man, because otherwise you'd know it by instinct. The justice system is unequal.

"Innocent until proven guilty." Ever heard it?

[Northern Skatchbrod]

I was next to him when he went in, and I've known him for his whole life. He's a law-abiding citizen. A weak and stuttering young guy. The woman was a local girl who's had sex with almost everyone in town.

Ah, slut shaming. Because she`s had sex before, she couldn`t possibly have been raped!

As I said, a law-abiding stuttering weak young boy, and a local slut who's had sex with everything with a cock in town. I can even bet the slut has more muscle than my buddy.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

Yeah, yes. Either you're a woman or a hippie man, because otherwise you'd know it by instinct. The justice system is unequal.

"Innocent until proven guilty." Ever heard it?

Shouldn't exist.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

I was next to him when he went in, and I've known him for his whole life. He's a law-abiding citizen. A weak and stuttering young guy. The woman was a local girl who's had sex with almost everyone in town.

And just because you know him that does not automatically mean he's innocent and she's guilty. That's for a court of law and the justice system to prove, not your own judgement which does come with a hefty bias given your description.

And again, as I keep saying, if what you said is true then it's still not the norm for reporting rape, and to allege that false reporting is the norm makes a person a spiritual accomplice to any rape thereafter.

The court system is flawed.

[The Steel Magnolia]

"Innocent until proven guilty." Ever heard it?

Shouldn't exist.

Oh for christ's sake.

[Individuality-ness]

"Innocent until proven guilty." Ever heard it?

Shouldn't exist.

This is in reference to the accused, dude. *palm*

I am very glad that you're not presiding over a rape case.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Ah, slut shaming. Because she`s had sex before, she couldn`t possibly have been raped!

As I said, a law-abiding stuttering weak young boy, and a local slut who's had sex with everything with a cock in town. I can even bet the slut has more muscle than my buddy.

Funnily enough, you'll find that muscle mass is often irrelevant when it comes to rape.

[Des-Bal]

Shouldn't exist.

I accuse you of plotting 9/11. Prove you didn't.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

Shouldn't exist.

This is in reference to the accused, dude. *palm*

I am very glad that you're not presiding over a rape case.

Along with an actual justice system than investigates if a rape had actually happen, the justice system should also be a lot stricter.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

As I said, a law-abiding stuttering weak young boy, and a local slut who's had sex with everything with a cock in town. I can even bet the slut has more muscle than my buddy.

Funnily enough, you'll find that muscle mass is often irrelevant when it comes to rape.

Illogical words.

[Stormdawn]

Shouldn't exist.

I accuse you of plotting 9/11. Prove you didn't.

...You do realize that 'innocent until proven guilty' is exactly what prevents that sort of crap, right?

[Individuality-ness]

This is in reference to the accused, dude. *palm*

I am very glad that you're not presiding over a rape case.

Along with an actual justice system than investigates if a rape had actually happen, the justice system should also be a lot stricter.

It does. That's why we have police who check out claims. If there was enough evidence to go to trial and land your friend in jail, then he probably did actually rape her; whether you think so or not is irrelevant.

[Des-Bal]

And just because you know him that does not automatically mean he's innocent and she's guilty. That's for a court of law and the justice system to prove, not your own judgement which does come with a hefty bias given your description.

And again, as I keep saying, if what you said is true then it's still not the norm for reporting rape, and to allege that false reporting is the norm makes a person a spiritual accomplice to any rape thereafter.

Would you take the same position if his friend had been the rape victim?

[Ifreann]

And what side did you get? His? Ever think he might have a bit of bias? Were you a prosecutor? Police officer? Medical professional? Linked at all to the case besides "at a party with this guy"?

And what if he did in fact rape that woman, what if "no" was uttered and he pressed on against her wishes? How do you know ANY of it beyond what this alleged victim of false reporting said?

I was next to him when he went in, and I've known him for his whole life. He's a law-abiding citizen. A weak and stuttering young guy. The woman was a local girl who's had sex with almost everyone in town.

Was this before or after you invented the lightbulb?

Come on, if you're going to bullshit us, at least make it amusing bullshit.

[Des-Bal]

I accuse you of plotting 9/11. Prove you didn't.

...You do realize that 'innocent until proven guilty' is exactly what prevents that sort of crap, right?

Yes, that's the point I was making. He's saying innocent until proven guilty shouldn't exist as a principle and I'm challenging him to back that up.

[Northern Skatchbrod]

Along with an actual justice system than investigates if a rape had actually happen, the justice system should also be a lot stricter.

It does. That's why we have police who check out claims. If there was enough evidence to go to trial and land your friend in jail, then he probably did actually rape her; whether you think so or not is irrelevant.

How the fuck can they check whether or not she was raped in a noisy club?

[Northern Skatchbrod]

I was next to him when he went in, and I've known him for his whole life. He's a law-abiding citizen. A weak and stuttering young guy. The woman was a local girl who's had sex with almost everyone in town.

Was this before or after you invented the lightbulb?

Come on, if you're going to bullshit us, at least make it amusing bullshit.

And this is why I didn't want to slip in here. People claiming bullshit because they have no counters.

[Stormdawn]

...You do realize that 'innocent until proven guilty' is exactly what prevents that sort of crap, right?

Yes, that's the point I was making. He's saying innocent until proven guilty shouldn't exist as a principle and I'm challenging him to back that up.

Oh. Damnit. Sorry, misread who posted. *goes off to beat my head against the wall*

[Northern Skatchbrod]

...You do realize that 'innocent until proven guilty' is exactly what prevents that sort of crap, right?

Yes, that's the point I was making. He's saying innocent until proven guilty shouldn't exist as a principle and I'm challenging him to back that up.

If the police accuses someone of plotting terrorism, they should catch him and seek proper proof of him plotting. Till it's found, he's guilty.

[Evraim]

When a woman says no, should a man instantly stop and back off? I think no, because doing so is unsexy and women like to be chased -- you aren't going to get laid very often if you stop at the first lick of resistance.

When a woman says no, that probably means she doesn't want to engage in sexual intercourse with you. Any assertion that "women like being chased" or "really wanted it" comes off as misogynistic, ignorant, and asinine. The same principle applies equally to men. No always means no, or at least it should. And here I was under the impression that "no" is a rather unsexy response to such unwanted advances. Perhaps mace or a foot in the crotch would be more convincing?

If a woman has enjoys forceful men, men who kiss her without her consent and don't let her go even if she is trying to forcefully push them off and get away, is it rape to force oneself upon her? And if it is rape, is it wrong? I know one such girl, she told me about one time when she was put in that situation and she ultimately gave in and began kissing back and she really really enjoyed the whole affair, in hindsight.

The above situation sounds like rape, yes. Sexual arousal can still occur even when the contact is forceful. However, that does not mean that the act was consensual. If your significant other enjoys such activities, an in-depth discussion might make it alright, though there should still be agreed upon limitations to what the both of you tolerate. Conversation is important to all aspects of a relationship - most especially the sexual ones.

Why is it rape to have sex with a girl who is drunk?

Because she cannot give consent.

Does it matter if you are also drunk?

No. It only means that you sexually assaulted one another, though I suppose that depends on your feelings while sober too.

While I understand it is kind-of rapey to get a girl drunk with this intention, its not as if alcohol mind controls women into becoming sex slaves, it only lowers their inhibitions. If one encounters an inebriated woman and seduces her, why is it fair for her to cry rape when she sobers up?

Kind of rapey?

Impaired cognitive function drastically alters the ability of an individual to make sound, rational decisions. So, yes, having sex with somebody under the influence of alcohol would in many cases qualify as sexual assault or rape. And dragging somebody who can barely walk to your dorm room and engaging in sexual intercourse with them is also rape.

If a woman never actually says no, and merely implies lack of consent by not cooperating with the sex, covering herself up with blankets, and complaining that it hurts, but she previously DID consent verbally to having sex with you, and you disregard her obvious discomfort and continue using her for your own pleasure, are you a rapist?

Yes. Yes you are. Consent can be withdrawn.

[The Steel Magnolia]

It does. That's why we have police who check out claims. If there was enough evidence to go to trial and land your friend in jail, then he probably did actually rape her; whether you think so or not is irrelevant.

How the fuck can they check whether or not she was raped in a noisy club?

Quite easily. Witness reports, DNA testing in the event of a mistaken claim, evidence in the area.