What is Rape?

[Pradja]

The real question is, where is the line drawn between rape, sexual harassment, and sexual assault? From what I've been taught in various government-funded health classes and lectures, sexual harassment classifies as unwanted sexual behavior (after the victim has asked the harasser to cease), whereas rape is any sex which is forced or given without consent.

I knew a friend once whom had been verbally raped, in which sexual acts were described in detail as they were pinned down. Assault and additional harassment, I take it, were also involved, though I don't think any of this could ultimately classify as "rape," since no intercourse was ever forced.

Aye no sex without consent = not rape, but eg sexual assault.
Sex without consent(the default position is no unless told otherwise)= rape.

Its really not that hard.

[Samuraikoku]

It's incredibly relevant I'm saying that unless they have expressed their desire not to be a participant they were not raped.

Lack of consent. That it's directly "no" or unable to say "yes" or "no" is still lack of consent.

[Tiltjuice]

Irrelevant. Either way, they can't express desire.

It's incredibly relevant I'm saying that unless they have expressed their desire not to be a participant they were not raped.

And since that's not possible, I conclude you have no interest in an intellectually honest discussion. Here's your smoke and mirrors.

[Samuraikoku]

Sure it does. There is a difference between "I didn't tell you to do this" and "I told you not to do this."

No, there really isn't.

[Samuraikoku]

It's incredibly relevant I'm saying that unless they have expressed their desire not to be a participant they were not raped.

And since that's not possible, I conclude you have no interest in an intellectually honest discussion. Here's your smoke and mirrors.

There is nothing intellectual about his dishonesty.

[Neo Art]

That's because anti-consent doesn't exist.

Sure it does. There is a difference between "I didn't tell you to do this" and "I told you not to do this."

That's really where you want to plant your flag? This is the argument you think is a winner?

Wow.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Irrelevant. Either way, they can't express desire.

It's incredibly relevant I'm saying that unless they have expressed their desire not to be a participant they were not raped.

You know, in normal human civilization we've accepted that, informally, people who haven't consented to sex are automatically considered unwilling participants.

Otherwise we'd have to accept that unless you told me you didn't want me to hit you with my car, that I can use you as a hood ornament.

You know, because you haven't expressed your desire to not be a hood ornament.

[Des-Bal]

So...what you're saying is that people have to actively opt out of having sex with every individual on the planet or they're fair game and it's not rape?

Sure if you divide the world into "rape " and "legal."

Rape apologist.

Still nope.

[The Truth and Light]

Sure it does. There is a difference between "I didn't tell you to do this" and "I told you not to do this."

No, there really isn't.

"I mean, he put his penis inside me, but I wasn't awake to tell him not to, so I guess it wasn't rape...."


WHAT????

[Norstal]

That's because anti-consent doesn't exist.

Sure it does. There is a difference between "I didn't tell you to do this" and "I told you not to do this."

...

I give up. I fucking give up.

[Nadkor]

That's because anti-consent doesn't exist.

Sure it does. There is a difference between "I didn't tell you to do this" and "I told you not to do this."

That's all you've got?

Christ.

[Samuraikoku]

Still nope.

Sadly for you, yes.

[Immoren]

Guys what's going on this...

That's because anti-consent doesn't exist.

Sure it does. There is a difference between "I didn't tell you to do this" and "I told you not to do this."

*headdesk*

[Samuraikoku]

...

I give up. I fucking give up.

Tag someone else!

[Des-Bal]

That's really where you want to plant your flag? This is the argument you think is a winner?

Wow.

Absolutely.

[Neo Art]

In this case "expressed desire" refers to the expressed desire not to be a participant. There's not a good word for Anti-Consent.

So...what you're saying is that people have to actively opt out of having sex with every individual on the planet or they're fair game and it's not rape?

Rape apologist.

I think, like TED, you're assuming more than there is. I don't really blame you. I mean, we expect there to be at least a little nuance to his argument. His whole whine however seems entirely to consist of that he just doesn't like CALLING it rape.

No, really, I know that seems obscenely sophoric, completely juvenile, nonsensically petty, and generally too simplistic to ACTUALLY be his point, but I swear to god, it is.

It really is just that petty and insignificant.

[Samuraikoku]

Absolutely.

It's not, and you should feel bad for arguing it.

[Mavorpen]

Sure it does. There is a difference between "I didn't tell you to do this" and "I told you not to do this."

No, there really isn't.

Killing someone illegally who didn't consent isn't murder. If they actively expressed they didn't consent however, it's murder.

[Tiltjuice]

And since that's not possible, I conclude you have no interest in an intellectually honest discussion. Here's your smoke and mirrors.

There is nothing intellectual about his dishonesty.

Yeah, I'm getting that...

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's incredibly relevant I'm saying that unless they have expressed their desire not to be a participant they were not raped.

Oh so silence is an admittance to sex now?!

Please, don't be so dense.

A woman has to tell you "Fuck me!" or get naked, open her legs, and invite you with a seductive gesture for you to do SHIT to her! Is that crystal clear or do I have to draw a picture with full pornographic detail about it?!

[Nadkor]

So...what you're saying is that people have to actively opt out of having sex with every individual on the planet or they're fair game and it's not rape?

Sure if you divide the world into "rape " and "legal."

What does this even mean.

Do you think I consider all acts to either be rape or legal? That any illegal act is rape? What?

You're literally making no sense.

[Samuraikoku]

Killing someone illegally who didn't consent isn't murder. If they actively expressed they didn't consent however, it's murder.

You can kill me. I'll just respawn.

[Neo Art]

That's really where you want to plant your flag? This is the argument you think is a winner?

Wow.

Absolutely.

I'm so sorry. Somewhere along the way, someone, most likely a teacher, or someone else responsible for explaing how to form complex arguments, failed you horribly.

I am so, so sorry for that.

[Nadkor]

A woman has to tell you "Fuck me!" or get naked, open her legs, and invite you with a seductive gesture for you to do SHIT to her! Is that crystal clear or do I have to draw a picture with full pornographic detail about it?!

Not to derail the thread, but have you ever had sex with a woman?

[Galloism]

In this case "expressed desire" refers to the expressed desire not to be a participant. There's not a good word for Anti-Consent.

So...what you're saying is that people have to actively opt out of having sex with every individual on the planet or they're fair game and it's not rape?

Rape apologist.

I believe the technical term would be some-heinous-crime-not-called-rape-but-really-like-it apologist.