What is Rape?

[The Truth and Light]

I wonder did Des-Bal once have sex with an unconscious girl (or guy, let's be open-minded about this) and is now desperately trying to convince himself that he's a rapist?

Would certainly explain a great many things.

And since you've run out of things to say you've actually started accusing me of being a rapist.

Potential rapist, probably will become one.

[Samuraikoku]

I wonder did Des-Bal once have sex with an unconscious girl (or guy, let's be open-minded about this) and is now desperately trying to convince himself that he's a rapist?

Would certainly explain a great many things.

And since you've run out of things to say you've actually started accusing me of being a rapist.

When the only argument presented so far is "I say it's not rape", and when confronted with what rape is the only answer is "says you"...

[The Emerald Dawn]

I feel like my soul is dying. Help.

Begins CPR on your soul.

Applies Soul Glow.

Puts on Soul Survivor.

Keeps CPR going.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I feel like my soul is dying. Help.

It's not dying, really, unless it clearly expresses to you that it's dying.

[Nadkor]

So says you.

Really? This is what you're going for here? When your mind read this, and plumbed the depths of your intellectual capacity, scanned all that you know and believe, filtered through your vocabulary, and came up with an argument, the best, the very best it came up with was "says you"?

And this is something you admit to willingly? In public?

It's astonishing, isn't it?

I mean, if that's really the limits of Des-Bal's intellect then, perhaps, we should feel sorry for him? It must be difficult to navigate the world with such limited capacity.

[Neo Art]

This might be a vaguely worth while point if we were, like, the first people to ever realize rape was "a thing" and were sitting down trying to describe it. But where we've gone completely off the rails is, that his argument LITERALLY IS that being "stabbed" is not "being raped" because the actions that constitute "being stabbed" do not meet the existant legal elements of "rape".

Therefore he was not raped as a matter of law, because rape has an explicitly defined legal definition and "stabbed" doesn't meet it.

OK, fine so far.

Except we've then gone one further. What he's trying to argue here is that rape when the victim is unconcious isn't actually rape because it doesn't meet the definition of rape, except for the fact that it does.

That's what rape is actually legally defined as. Don't believe me? Go ask the two guys who just got convicted of raping a girl for doing exactly that.

Well, in fairness, he's arguing that something is only rape if HE, personally, decides it is rape. I see no evidence that he thinks the law has much to do with it, beyond the notion that the law should be the means through which his personal opinion gets imposed on everyone.

I haven't yet seen him present any reason why any of us should agree to his system, or why anybody (other than rapists) would benefit from his system, but I'm sure he'll get right on that.

Because he's a guy on the internet, don't you understand how important that makes him?

He has a computer, and opinions about things! Clearly he and he alone shall lead us all

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I wonder did Des-Bal once have sex with an unconscious girl (or guy, let's be open-minded about this) and is now desperately trying to convince himself that he's a rapist?

Would certainly explain a great many things.

Wait.
Wait wait wait.

You say Rape Apologists may often PROJECT?

....

Gif's gonna need to help clean up the cranial goo from my mind being blown.

^^^ you sir are going on my sig as the best quote I have seen on NS BY FAR!

[Des-Bal]

Well, in fairness, he's arguing that something is only rape if HE, personally, decides it is rape. I see no evidence that he thinks the law has much to do with it, beyond the notion that the law should be the means through which his personal opinion gets imposed on everyone.

I haven't yet seen him present any reason why any of us should agree to his system, or why anybody (other than rapists) would benefit from his system, but I'm sure he'll get right on that.

I'm saying the legal definitions need to be changed. I'm not sure how exactly rapists benefit given that I just stated I wanted rape to be a capital crime.

[The Emerald Dawn]

I wonder did Des-Bal once have sex with an unconscious girl (or guy, let's be open-minded about this) and is now desperately trying to convince himself that he's a rapist?

Would certainly explain a great many things.

And since you've run out of things to say you've actually started accusing me of being a rapist.

It's not rape, you said so yourself.

She/he was unconscious.

[Samuraikoku]

I feel like my soul is dying. Help.

Get me a Dreadnought, we got a Battle-Brother wounded.

[Bottle]

"Victims don't always want their attackers to face justice."[/size]

And? Don't come to me with this crap, please.

Rape is rape, non consentual sex is rape, no matter how you slice it is sick and wrong to have sex with someone without the consent of said person. Only cavemen used to do that and we're past that.

Victims don't always want their attackers to face justice, you may be right about that, but the matter is, being such a close person in many instances (people you know are more prone to commit rape rather than strangers) of course the victim may not want to report, and therefore it goes unreported, but it still doesn't make it right.

I know you aren't intentionally doing this, but please don't buy into the frame that victims who opt not to report are typically doing so because they "don't want their attackers to face justice."

A lot of us choose not to report because we 1) know that the odds of getting justice via reporting our assault are vanishingly small, and 2) know that the odds of us being subjected to shitty treatment are almost assured.

[Des-Bal]

It's not rape, you said so yourself.

She/he was unconscious.

I was talking from his perspective.

[Samuraikoku]

I'm saying the legal definitions need to be changed.

So you are downplaying rape.

And this in turn makes you a rape apologist.

I'm not sure how exactly rapists benefit given that I just stated I wanted rape to be a capital crime.

Do victims benefit in any way?

[Norstal]

Well, in fairness, he's arguing that something is only rape if HE, personally, decides it is rape. I see no evidence that he thinks the law has much to do with it, beyond the notion that the law should be the means through which his personal opinion gets imposed on everyone.

I haven't yet seen him present any reason why any of us should agree to his system, or why anybody (other than rapists) would benefit from his system, but I'm sure he'll get right on that.

I'm saying the legal definitions need to be changed. I'm not sure how exactly rapists benefit given that I just stated I wanted rape to be a capital crime.

Because by your definitions, unwanted sex would not be rape anymore. It would be just something that can go unpunished.

[Lindenholt]

Without listening to what y´all saying i will answer this question:

Rape is having sexual intercourse where at least one person does not want to have... sex. Thats rape.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Well, in fairness, he's arguing that something is only rape if HE, personally, decides it is rape. I see no evidence that he thinks the law has much to do with it, beyond the notion that the law should be the means through which his personal opinion gets imposed on everyone.

I haven't yet seen him present any reason why any of us should agree to his system, or why anybody (other than rapists) would benefit from his system, but I'm sure he'll get right on that.

I'm saying the legal definitions need to be changed. I'm not sure how exactly rapists benefit given that I just stated I wanted rape to be a capital crime.

The people who benefit are those who attack and rape people who are asleep, people who are in comas and people who have been drugged, because their rape is reclassified, in your system, to a less severe crime.

[The Emerald Dawn]

It's not rape, you said so yourself.

She/he was unconscious.

I was talking from his perspective.

Perspective doesn't matter, unless you actually don't think what you say you think.

You can't claim it isn't rape if they're unconscious, then accuse people of accusing you of rape WHEN THEY USE YOUR DEFINITION.

[Nadkor]

I wonder did Des-Bal once have sex with an unconscious girl (or guy, let's be open-minded about this) and is now desperately trying to convince himself that he's a rapist?

Would certainly explain a great many things.

And since you've run out of things to say you've actually started accusing me of being a rapist.

Wondering about the possibility is, with the arguments you've presented, the only reasonable thing to do.

And, no. I wouldn't accuse you of being a rapist. I wondered whether or not you had sex with an unconscious person. That, after all, isn't rape.

Right?

[Des-Bal]

Because by your definitions, unwanted sex would not be rape anymore. It would be just something that can go unpunished.

That's only if you divide the world into "things that are rape" and "things that are legal."

[Norstal]

Without listening to what y´all saying i will answer this question:

Rape is having sexual intercourse where at least one person does not want to have... sex. Thats rape.

IF SHE DOESN'T SAY NO IT MEANS YES! LOLOLOLOL.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It is absolutely sick and wrong it shouldn't however be conflated with rape.

Who said right? You accused me of not understanding what stockholm syndrome was in a post where I paid general reference to it.

I know, but you still don't understand that Stockholm Syndrome affects people who doesn't want to report in many instances. It doesn't necessarily mean it is right as the victim is going to defend the attacker being in such a close bond, but nevertheless he must face the consequences of his actions.

And it should absolutely be conflated with rape, both ARE rape. There is no way you can separate the two without being a hypocrite.

[The Truth and Light]

I feel like my soul is dying. Help.

It's not dying, really, unless it clearly expresses to you that it's dying.

I feel like my soul is dying. Help.

Get me a Dreadnought, we got a Battle-Brother wounded.

I feel like my soul is dying. Help.

Begins CPR on your soul.

Applies Soul Glow.

Puts on Soul Survivor.

Keeps CPR going.

Guys, there's still hope, right? I don't know if I can deal with such idiocy for the rest my life. I'm very aggressive and I might kill someone.

[Norstal]

Because by your definitions, unwanted sex would not be rape anymore. It would be just something that can go unpunished.

That's only if you divide the world into "things that are rape" and "things that are legal."

...What the hell do you call it then?

[Bottle]

Well, in fairness, he's arguing that something is only rape if HE, personally, decides it is rape. I see no evidence that he thinks the law has much to do with it, beyond the notion that the law should be the means through which his personal opinion gets imposed on everyone.

I haven't yet seen him present any reason why any of us should agree to his system, or why anybody (other than rapists) would benefit from his system, but I'm sure he'll get right on that.

I'm saying the legal definitions need to be changed. I'm not sure how exactly rapists benefit given that I just stated I wanted rape to be a capital crime.

Oh, right, sorry...it would only benefit the totally-not-rapists who fuck unconscious victims.

[Des-Bal]

Wondering about the possibility is, with the arguments you've presented, the only reasonable thing to do.

And, no. I wouldn't accuse you of being a rapist. I wondered whether or not you had sex with an unconscious person. That, after all, isn't rape.

Right?

It shouldn't be, it's definitely a crime but it's not rape.