What is Rape?

[Des-Bal]

So drug-assisted rape isn't rape then? What happened to the girl in the Steubenville case wasn't really raped?

No. That case was actually what prompted me to come back here after my change of heart. You see I had a discussion in class and witnessed several people voice complaints about the media coverage only to back off when their opinions proved to be unpopular. All that is required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing or words to that effect so I decided that I'm not going to fight every battle rather then let people be wrong.

[Bottle]

So drug-assisted rape isn't rape then? What happened to the girl in the Steubenville case wasn't really raped?

But we're not marginalising people by denying that they've been raped, okay?

Of course not. The people who marginalize rape are those who recognize the intersections between rape culture and bullying culture, and work to combat both.

Really, we all should be thanking Des-Bal for ensuring that rape won't be marginalized by the insufficiently-horrible experiences of certain rape victims.

[Ifreann]

Really? So the fear and pain that someone experiences with non-consensual sexual conduct suddenly not being "actual rape" because they were asleep, isn't marginalizing?

Now you're being dishonest.

I'm saying the fear and pain they've experienced is not comparable to the fear and pain experienced in actual rape. I'm saying it's a lesser crime.

You're saying you want it to be a lesser crime, actually. You'll recall that you don't actually run any real countries.

[Mavorpen]

But we're not marginalising people by denying that they've been raped, okay?

Of course not. The people who marginalize rape are those who recognize the intersections between rape culture and bullying culture, and work to combat both.

Really, we all should be thanking Des-Bal for ensuring that rape won't be marginalized by the insufficiently-horrible experiences of certain rape victims.

Remember kids, not all lynches are crimes.

[Des-Bal]

Of course not. The people who marginalize rape are those who recognize the intersections between rape culture and bullying culture, and work to combat both.

Really, we all should be thanking Des-Bal for ensuring that rape won't be marginalized by the insufficiently-horrible experiences of certain rape victims.

A man gets stabbed in a parking lot, has he been raped? No. There's nothing marginalizing about calling things what they are.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

But we're not marginalising people by denying that they've been raped, okay?

Of course not. The people who marginalize rape are those who recognize the intersections between rape culture and bullying culture, and work to combat both.

Really, we all should be thanking Des-Bal for ensuring that rape won't be marginalized by the insufficiently-horrible experiences of certain rape victims.

I mean, clearly, if you weren't screaming, you weren't rape. Obviously.

And what kind of careless whore lets herself sleep? Back when I were a lad, people had more self-respect and stayed awake 24/7 to ensure that they were definitely being raped when they were attacked rather than not-raped-because-they-didn't-say-no-because-they-were-asleep-and-consequently-couldn't-say-no.

[Mavorpen]

Of course not. The people who marginalize rape are those who recognize the intersections between rape culture and bullying culture, and work to combat both.

Really, we all should be thanking Des-Bal for ensuring that rape won't be marginalized by the insufficiently-horrible experiences of certain rape victims.

A man gets stabbed in a parking lot, has he been raped? No. There's nothing marginalizing about calling things what they are.

An apple walks into a bar and asks for orange juice. He receives apple juice. IS THIS RAPE!?!?!?!111111one!!?!?!

[Individuality-ness]

Of course not. The people who marginalize rape are those who recognize the intersections between rape culture and bullying culture, and work to combat both.

Really, we all should be thanking Des-Bal for ensuring that rape won't be marginalized by the insufficiently-horrible experiences of certain rape victims.

A man gets stabbed in a parking lot, has he been raped? No. There's nothing marginalizing about calling things what they are.

Total non sequitur.

[Des-Bal]

I mean, clearly, if you weren't screaming, you weren't rape. Obviously.

And what kind of careless whore lets herself sleep? Back when I were a lad, people had more self-respect and stayed awake 24/7 to ensure that they were definitely being raped when they were attacked rather than not-raped-because-they-didn't-say-no-because-they-were-asleep-and-consequently-couldn't-say-no.

There you go arguing with people that aren't me again.

[Individuality-ness]

Of course not. The people who marginalize rape are those who recognize the intersections between rape culture and bullying culture, and work to combat both.

Really, we all should be thanking Des-Bal for ensuring that rape won't be marginalized by the insufficiently-horrible experiences of certain rape victims.

I mean, clearly, if you weren't screaming, you weren't rape. Obviously.

And what kind of careless whore lets herself sleep? Back when I were a lad, people had more self-respect and stayed awake 24/7 to ensure that they were definitely being raped when they were attacked rather than not-raped-because-they-didn't-say-no-because-they-were-asleep-and-consequently-couldn't-say-no.

Does that mean that the new anti-whore agent is meth? WHOOT!

[Bottle]

Ah, but Semantic Dude to the rescue!

He merely said that "absence of consent" isn't enough, you have to "express desire" that you...anti-consent? One assumes?

I'm guessing this falls under the same precedent as the idea that one can safely assume that another person wants to be murdered unless they actively assert that they DO NOT want to be murdered. Which is not to say you are assuming that another person consented to be murdered, you just naturally concluded that they didn't not consent.

Damn it, do I have to go get a new sign up now?

I'd recommend some sort of portable LED marquee, just to be safe, since you'll need to have a scrolling list of every one of your specific desires.

You'll also want it to be easily updated since, for example, there may be times when you consent to being hugged, or certain persons who you consent to hug, but you will have to quickly enable the "I do not consent to be hugged" element once a person you'd prefer not to hug comes within visual range.

[Des-Bal]

A man gets stabbed in a parking lot, has he been raped? No. There's nothing marginalizing about calling things what they are.

Total non sequitur.

I'm saying that no rape happened in either case. The fact that the crime does not follow the offense was the point of my statement.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Of course not. The people who marginalize rape are those who recognize the intersections between rape culture and bullying culture, and work to combat both.

Really, we all should be thanking Des-Bal for ensuring that rape won't be marginalized by the insufficiently-horrible experiences of certain rape victims.

A man gets stabbed in a parking lot, has he been raped? No. There's nothing marginalizing about calling things what they are.

Which is why we call things that are rape rape.

Inserting an object into someone's vagina or anus without their consent is rape.

Marginalisation is when you say that people who have been raped haven't been raped because of your ridiculous notion that not not giving consent is actually giving consent.

[Des-Bal]

Which is why we call things that are rape rape.

Inserting an object into someone's vagina or anus without their consent is rape.

Marginalisation is when you say that people who have been raped haven't been raped because of your ridiculous notion that not not giving consent is actually giving consent.

I did not say that. I said the opposite. I have specified that I never said that. I cannot make it any clearer that I am not saying that. You're being willfully ignorant and you're trying to use me as a surrogate for someone else you disagree with.

[Individuality-ness]

Damn it, do I have to go get a new sign up now?

I'd recommend some sort of portable LED marquee, just to be safe, since you'll need to have a scrolling list of every one of your specific desires.

You'll also want it to be easily updated since, for example, there may be times when you consent to being hugged, or certain persons who you consent to hug, but you will have to quickly enable the "I do not consent to be hugged" element once a person you'd prefer not to hug comes within visual range.

But that means that they have to stand there waiting for the whole the "I do not consent to <x>" list to completely scroll up to figure out whether I'm okay with it or not!!! *flails*

[Mavorpen]

I'd recommend some sort of portable LED marquee, just to be safe, since you'll need to have a scrolling list of every one of your specific desires.

You'll also want it to be easily updated since, for example, there may be times when you consent to being hugged, or certain persons who you consent to hug, but you will have to quickly enable the "I do not consent to be hugged" element once a person you'd prefer not to hug comes within visual range.

But that means that they have to stand there waiting for the whole the "I do not consent to <x>" list to completely scroll up to figure out whether I'm okay with it or not!!! *flails*

I want one of those little people who carry around the large horns to carry around a scroll and announce to the individual who wants to have intercourse to me if I consent or not.

[Individuality-ness]

Total non sequitur.

I'm saying that no rape happened in either case. The fact that the crime does not follow the offense was the point of my statement.

A person is drugged and someone forces sexual intercourse while she was unconscious. Is this rape?

[Individuality-ness]

Which is why we call things that are rape rape.

Inserting an object into someone's vagina or anus without their consent is rape.

Marginalisation is when you say that people who have been raped haven't been raped because of your ridiculous notion that not not giving consent is actually giving consent.

I did not say that. I said the opposite. I have specified that I never said that. I cannot make it any clearer that I am not saying that. You're being willfully ignorant and you're trying to use me as a surrogate for someone else you disagree with.

So you're saying that having penetrative sex with someone while they're asleep and therefore by definition cannot consent is not rape.

I weep for humanity.

Yes. I'm saying that the absence of consent is not sufficient, there must be an expressed desire.

[Des-Bal]

A person is drugged and someone forces sexual intercourse while she was unconscious. Is this rape?

No.

[Tiltjuice]

I'd recommend some sort of portable LED marquee, just to be safe, since you'll need to have a scrolling list of every one of your specific desires.

You'll also want it to be easily updated since, for example, there may be times when you consent to being hugged, or certain persons who you consent to hug, but you will have to quickly enable the "I do not consent to be hugged" element once a person you'd prefer not to hug comes within visual range.

But that means that they have to stand there waiting for the whole the "I do not consent to <x>" list to completely scroll up to figure out whether I'm okay with it or not!!! *flails*

I took one look at this and thought 'O(n)...but it could be improved by using a dynamic array and contains()'...further proof that algorithms and data structures have eaten my brain. >.>

[Tiltjuice]

A person is drugged and someone forces sexual intercourse while she was unconscious. Is this rape?

No.

What.

[Individuality-ness]

A person is drugged and someone forces sexual intercourse while she was unconscious. Is this rape?

No.

Why not?

[Bottle]

Of course not. The people who marginalize rape are those who recognize the intersections between rape culture and bullying culture, and work to combat both.

Really, we all should be thanking Des-Bal for ensuring that rape won't be marginalized by the insufficiently-horrible experiences of certain rape victims.

I mean, clearly, if you weren't screaming, you weren't rape. Obviously.

And what kind of careless whore lets herself sleep? Back when I were a lad, people had more self-respect and stayed awake 24/7 to ensure that they were definitely being raped when they were attacked rather than not-raped-because-they-didn't-say-no-because-they-were-asleep-and-consequently-couldn't-say-no.

I wonder if my assault will qualify? I mean, I was conscious, but I was not physically fighting off the ROTC-trained fellow assaulting me. I protested, but I didn't scream, or even raise my voice much. I was mostly shocked and frozen, as a person I thought was my friend (who I had invited into my place) pinned me down and overpowered me.

Maybe mine qualifies as a sorta-rape? Well, regardless, I'm sure Des-Bal will tell me how traumatized I was, thank heavens! I certainly wouldn't know, and would have no way of communicating my thoughts on the subject, without someone like him around to tell it like it is!

EDIT: Just to be clear, Des-Bal, the above is sarcasm. I realized that someone who struggles with the notion of "consent" probably also has trouble with other normal forms of human communication, so I will make my desires explicit for you. I'm actually not remotely interested in your opinions on the subject of my assault, and I would strongly suggest that you shove any such insights up an orifice that you do not expressly desire to have things shoved in.

[Ifreann]

Of course not. The people who marginalize rape are those who recognize the intersections between rape culture and bullying culture, and work to combat both.

Really, we all should be thanking Des-Bal for ensuring that rape won't be marginalized by the insufficiently-horrible experiences of certain rape victims.

A man gets stabbed in a parking lot, has he been raped? No. There's nothing marginalizing about calling things what they are.

Calling certain rapes something other than rape does not mean that they aren't rapes. There's some 60+ pages of argument that any sex without consent is rape. Do you have anything to counter that beyond what amounts to "Nuh-uh"?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Which is why we call things that are rape rape.

Inserting an object into someone's vagina or anus without their consent is rape.

Marginalisation is when you say that people who have been raped haven't been raped because of your ridiculous notion that not not giving consent is actually giving consent.

I did not say that. I said the opposite. I have specified that I never said that. I cannot make it any clearer that I am not saying that. You're being willfully ignorant and you're trying to use me as a surrogate for someone else you disagree with.

Dude, you're arguing that you didn't say things that we have quotes for you saying. They've been provided.