What is Rape?

[Northern Dominus]

On top of that, because data exists that some rapists were incited to rape because of the way their victims were dressed therefore the correlation is universal IE "they were asking for it".... even though the abboration isn't the woman but the rapist. Oh no, she dared to go out and expose a little cleavage or wear a skirt that has a hem further than 2 inches above the knee, therefore it's her fault.

I want to take a 2x4 to people for telling women to cover up.

Late-Spring/Early Summer is the best time for Gif, The, and I to play "Holy shit, she's hot!"

Don't make the beautiful people cover up. Then only the ugly people will walk around wearing clothes they really shouldn't.

That's also known as fender-bender season, because the second the summer dresses come out and the spring breezes off of the lake start...

[Des-Bal]

I'm looking around, and I'm noticing something that may be a trend.

Increased anti-bullying messaging, but still nothing about sexual assault, even though sexual assault could easily be seen as bullying when happening between members of a young peer group.

Associating sexual assault with bullying both minimizes sexual assault and sensationalizes bullying.

[Individuality-ness]

Ah....

They talk about how their teachers are constantly talking about kids harassing kids in school, bullying behaviour, how to stand up to bullying, how to stand up for other kids, etc.

When I made an off-hand remark about touching inappropriately, the kids looked confused.

Gif head-desk'd.

Oh gods. You would think that that's one of the first things to teach -- not to touch other children without their consent.

Hell, I remember being in third grade, and someone came to our classroom and told us about sexual abuse -- they had diagrams on where the "no-no" spots were (i.e. in kids in swimming suits) and what to do if someone touched us there -- and gave us a paper for us to fill out with emergency numbers and stuff.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

I've listened to the evidence and changed my position (that may be the first time anyone's acknowledge that on the internet) . I no longer consider sexual abuse of any variety lacking expressed will by the victim to be rape. This includes penetrative acts perpetrated on an unconscious person.

Did you just say that, for example, fingering someone while they're asleep isn't rape?

Did I read that right?

[Lards Ego]

Well, in the opinion of the Church of Chyst, I believe that Rape is only normal. For example, when an innocent little boy walks into our church, the only NORMAL thing is to rape him. Seriously, Why can't people understand that Raping and molesting innocent-ish people, just gives them an opportunity to Learn when to shut their mouths.

In short: Rape is god's way of saying: "hey, Fuck you".

[Des-Bal]

Did you just say that, for example, fingering someone while they're asleep isn't rape?

Did I read that right?

I'm not sure if you read it right because you specified fingering. I'm saying that even if full on penis in vagina intercourse occurs it is not rape.

[Individuality-ness]

Well, in the opinion of the Church of Chyst, I believe that Rape is only normal. For example, when an innocent little boy walks into our church, the only NORMAL thing is to rape him. Seriously, Why can't people understand that Raping and molesting innocent-ish people, just gives them an opportunity to Learn when to shut their mouths.

In short: Rape is god's way of saying: "hey, Fuck you".

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Did you just say that, for example, fingering someone while they're asleep isn't rape?

Did I read that right?

I'm not sure if you read it right because you specified fingering. I'm saying that even if full on penis in vagina intercourse occurs it is not rape.

So you're saying that having penetrative sex with someone while they're asleep and therefore by definition cannot consent is not rape.

I weep for humanity.

[Individuality-ness]

Did you just say that, for example, fingering someone while they're asleep isn't rape?

Did I read that right?

I'm not sure if you read it right because you specified fingering. I'm saying that even if full on penis in vagina intercourse occurs it is not rape.

How is having sex without someone's consent not rape?

[The Emerald Dawn]

I'm looking around, and I'm noticing something that may be a trend.

Increased anti-bullying messaging, but still nothing about sexual assault, even though sexual assault could easily be seen as bullying when happening between members of a young peer group.

Associating sexual assault with bullying both minimizes sexual assault and sensationalizes bullying.

Considering other things you've advocated in this thread, I'm going to point out that your perspective is not compatible with educational methods that I'm familiar with.

At all.

[Des-Bal]

So you're saying that having penetrative sex with someone while they're asleep and therefore by definition cannot consent is not rape.

I weep for humanity.

Yes. I'm saying that the absence of consent is not sufficient, there must be an expressed desire.

[Des-Bal]

Considering other things you've advocated in this thread, I'm going to point out that your perspective is not compatible with educational methods that I'm familiar with.

At all.

Then I probably wouldn't approve of your educational methods.

[Individuality-ness]

So you're saying that having penetrative sex with someone while they're asleep and therefore by definition cannot consent is not rape.

I weep for humanity.

Yes. I'm saying that the absence of consent is not sufficient, there must be an expressed desire.

... you're one of those who believes that the consent null hypothesis is always yes, aren't you?

[The Emerald Dawn]

Considering other things you've advocated in this thread, I'm going to point out that your perspective is not compatible with educational methods that I'm familiar with.

At all.

Then I probably wouldn't approve of your educational methods.

I'll try to contain my tears.

[Des-Bal]

Yes. I'm saying that the absence of consent is not sufficient, there must be an expressed desire.

... you're one of those who believes that the consent null hypothesis is always yes, aren't you?

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No, I'm one of those saying that there are many crimes that are not rape.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

So you're saying that having penetrative sex with someone while they're asleep and therefore by definition cannot consent is not rape.

I weep for humanity.

Yes. I'm saying that the absence of consent is not sufficient, there must be an expressed desire.

So withholding consent doesn't equate, in your worldview, to saying "No"?

So you're saying that having sex with someone who's in a coma is fine, because they're not saying "No"?

I genuinely don't understand how you could possibly have come to the conclusion that sticking your penis in someone without their consent isn't rape.

[Individuality-ness]

... you're one of those who believes that the consent null hypothesis is always yes, aren't you?

No, I'm one of those saying that there are many crimes that are not rape.

And I'm saying that nonconsensual sexual activity is rape, period.

[Individuality-ness]

Yes. I'm saying that the absence of consent is not sufficient, there must be an expressed desire.

So withholding consent doesn't equate, in your worldview, to saying "No"?

So you're saying that having sex with someone who's in a coma is fine, because they're not saying "No"?

I genuinely don't understand how you could possibly have come to the conclusion that sticking your penis in someone without their consent isn't rape.

It makes him feel better.

[Des-Bal]

So withholding consent doesn't equate, in your worldview, to saying "No"?

So you're saying that having sex with someone who's in a coma is fine, because they're not saying "No"?

I genuinely don't understand how you could possibly have come to the conclusion that sticking your penis in someone without their consent isn't rape.

Because there are ,again, crimes that aren't rape. It's clearly some kind of crime but it's not rape.

[Des-Bal]

And I'm saying that nonconsensual sexual activity is rape, period.

I'm aware of what you're saying, I'm just saying you're wrong.

[Individuality-ness]

And I'm saying that nonconsensual sexual activity is rape, period.

I'm aware of what you're saying, I'm just saying you're wrong.

I'm very glad that you're not a lawmaker.

[The Emerald Dawn]

And I'm saying that nonconsensual sexual activity is rape, period.

I'm aware of what you're saying, I'm just saying you're wrong.

Nope. We never marginalize rape victims on the internet. Never happens.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

So withholding consent doesn't equate, in your worldview, to saying "No"?

So you're saying that having sex with someone who's in a coma is fine, because they're not saying "No"?

I genuinely don't understand how you could possibly have come to the conclusion that sticking your penis in someone without their consent isn't rape.

Because there are ,again, crimes that aren't rape. It's clearly some kind of crime but it's not rape.

I refer you to the FBI's definition.

Rape is, generally, penetrating someone's vagina or anus with something without their consent.

If you're asleep, you can't consent.

Therefore having sex with someone who's asleep is having sex with someone without their consent.

Therefore having sex with someone who's asleep is rape.

Why is this a difficult concept?

I'm aware of what you're saying, I'm just saying you're wrong.

Nope. We never marginalize rape victims on the internet. Never happens.

It's not as if he's doing it right now or anything.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Because there are ,again, crimes that aren't rape. It's clearly some kind of crime but it's not rape.

I refer you to the FBI's definition.

Rape is, generally, penetrating someone's vagina or anus with something without their consent.

If you're asleep, you can't consent.

Therefore having sex with someone who's asleep is having sex with someone without their consent.

Therefore having sex with someone who's asleep is rape.

Why is this a difficult concept?

Nope. We never marginalize rape victims on the internet. Never happens.

It's not as if he's doing it right now or anything.

Because muh freedumbs.

[Individuality-ness]

I'm aware of what you're saying, I'm just saying you're wrong.

Nope. We never marginalize rape victims on the internet. Never happens.

Not even in the Steubenville rape case. Nope. This never happens ever.