Men need to be trained to not rape.

[New England and The Maritimes]

And? How the fuck does declaring something a Women's Rights issue prevent men from rallying against it as well? Unless women are legislating that men cannot defend themselves from rape, you're making the shittiest argument ever.

But women can defend themselves from rape! It would be sexist to think that women are weak and defenseless.

Women can prevent rape by not raping people.
Men can prevent rape by not raping people.
Third gender people can prevent rape by not raping people.
Agender people can prevent rape by not raping people.

OK, we've established our roles to play in this drama. Now get to it.

[Mavorpen]

But women can defend themselves from rape! It would be sexist to think that women are weak and defenseless.

Are you even attempting to read my post? Quote me saying women cannot defend themselves.

[Individuality-ness]

And? How the fuck does declaring something a Women's Rights issue prevent men from rallying against it as well? Unless women are legislating that men cannot defend themselves from rape, you're making the shittiest argument ever.

But women can defend themselves from rape! It would be sexist to think that women are weak and defenseless.

And it would be victim-blaming to suggest that women who do not defend themselves (whether they are unable to or whatever) are consenting to the rape.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Yes. Why is this hard to grasp?

Then why don't I see feminists whining about muggery?
An issue should matter of it effects people, regardless of sex.

Um...because robbers don't disproportionately target women?

I mean, are you kidding us here?

Robbery matters. It is not particularly a "women's rights issue" because it is not a particularly gendered crime (to the best of my knowledge).

Rape also matters. It is also a women's rights issue, because it is a particularly gendered crime.

Similarly, both burglary and lynching matter, but only one of them was specifically a civil rights issue. This isn't freaking rocket science.

[Liriena]

Yes. Why is this hard to grasp?

Then why don't I see feminists whining about muggery?
An issue should matter of it effects people, regardless of sex.

Because (and please, do us the favor to TRY to get this through your thick skull) feminism is a movement that concerns itself with the causes and effects of prejudice and oppression against women. To such a movement, crimes such a stealing are irrelevant to the core goal and ideals of feminism, unless there is a factor related to social and cultural preconceptions that promote the victimhood of women.
Much in the same way that LGBT rights has no ideological responsibility towards the issues terrorism or pollution, feminism has no ideological responsibility towards mugging or rape in general, only in the cases where prejudice against women is a major factor.

¿Entendió, mi querido?

[The Steel Magnolia]

Which one?

'Most rape victims are women'. In light of both the overwhelmingly male prison system, similar social stigma against men coming out as having been raped (Although with separate justifications), and the aforementioned only recently changed definition of rape (Originally it was "the carnal knowledge of a female, forcibly and against her will."), it would seem to me that asserting that one sex is raped more than the other is not necessarily helpful and possibly untrue.

Except that prison rape is a completely distinct issue, and has a very different set of solutions than combating rape in the rest of society, a completely separate environment. It seems dishonest, to me, to conflate prison reform and societal reform in regards to rape..

[Nailed to the Perch]

I'm pretty sure my photo is floating around here somewhere. Best to just be sure he knows where I stand, just in case.

In that case, might as well say that I hereby revoke consent to having sex with Free Council Communes. I have higher standards.

I'm going to third this. Consent officially revoked, as of now. And since he doesn't know what I look like, he'd probably better play it safe and just assume anyone he meets COULD be me and not have sex with them until he has confirmed that they never explicitly revoked their consent.

[Zweite Alaje]

And? How the fuck does declaring something a Women's Rights issue prevent men from rallying against it as well? Unless women are legislating that men cannot defend themselves from rape, you're making the shittiest argument ever.

But women can defend themselves from rape! It would be sexist to think that women are weak and defenseless.

Sometimes the feminists can have double standards, I at least agree with you on that. To some of them men are the evil monsters just waiting for an opportunity to rape, but women are strong!!!

[Conserative Morality]

Except that prison rape is a completely distinct issue, and has a very different set of solutions than combating rape in the rest of society, a completely separate environment. It seems dishonest, to me, to conflate prison reform and societal reform in regards to rape..

The conversation stemmed from a post about the number of male and female victims of rape rather than the OP.

However, I would say that prison rape stems from the same lax attitudes about rape found in some parts of society as in non-prison environments, and that fighting such attitudes here would very likely reduce the incidence of rape in prisons as well.

[Liriena]

If women were being robbed due to ignorant preconceptions from the culprits regarding the worth of women and their supposed social and cultural role?

YES

But women aren't being raped due to ignorant perceptions from rapists.

Actually, they are. Educate yourself for us.

That is a bourgeois lie used to demonize working men and cause infighting against the proletariat!

Don't use socialist concepts as arguments for your own misogynistic bullshit. Socialism and feminism have gone hand in hand for countless years, and I'm not going to let an ignorant, pedantic, misogynistic brat to pervert the meaning of the works of Marx and his successors.

[Ifreann]

If women were being robbed due to ignorant preconceptions from the culprits regarding the worth of women and their supposed social and cultural role?

YES

But women aren't being raped due to ignorant perceptions from rapists. That is a bourgeois lie used to demonize working men and cause infighting against the proletariat!

You're saying that when you hear "rapists" you assume that it's working men who are being talked about? You're the one doing the demonising here, boss.

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But women aren't being raped due to ignorant perceptions from rapists. That is a bourgeois lie used to demonize working men and cause infighting against the proletariat!

Was...was that a shark you just jumped?

A bourgeois shark that's fed on the blood of the working man!

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Since this Free Council Communes chap got it into his head that he can assume that every man and woman on Earth wants to fuck him until proven otherwise.

You know, on the off chance that I ever met Free Council Communes without realising it and in the interests of avoiding being raped by him let me make something clear:

Free Council Communes, I do not give you consent to have sex with me.

Good thinking.

I, too, do not give you consent to have sex with me, Free Council Communes.

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But women aren't being raped due to ignorant perceptions from rapists. That is a bourgeois lie used to demonize working men and cause infighting against the proletariat!

Er, yes they are. Women are being raped because some rapists are ignorant of what rape is or constitutes.

Where's that Neo Art post. damn it?

Here's me quoting him quoting it. But don't quote that one, quotes only nest three deep.

[Free Council Communes]

The very idea that a woman can "lead a man on" through her behaviour, dress, or actions. If she consents to a blowjob, she's not consenting to anything else.

Actually a women can lead a man on, it has happened to me. I thought she loved me but she was just using me; I has led to me attempting to commit suicide twice and I have developed depression. So yes, that does happen, a lot. I'm not suggesting that those women deserve to be raped, but it isn't rape unless consent was clearly withdrawn.

[Freelanderness]

I dare you to give an example of one cultural phenomena promoting rape.

There's plenty.

For one, Ms Maxwell was threatened with rape over her comments. The irony in that is that she was making those comments as a victim of the very crime she was now being threatened with again.

The constant background hum every time a rape case is reported on, like the comments of Spida Everitt - "If he's asking you upstairs at 3 am, it's not for a cup of milo." implying that if women do go upstairs, they've consented to sex.

The very idea that a woman can "lead a man on" through her behaviour, dress, or actions. If she consents to a blowjob, she's not consenting to anything else.

Judges who make statements in sentencing like the ones in these cases:
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/judge-ra ... -dvyp.html[/url]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/judge-questions-if-drunken-sex-was-a-technical-rape/story-e6freo8c-1225753064957

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/rape-laws-fury/story-e6frf7jo-1226075258315

ALSO: Facebook and Rape Comments

[The Steel Magnolia]

Except that prison rape is a completely distinct issue, and has a very different set of solutions than combating rape in the rest of society, a completely separate environment. It seems dishonest, to me, to conflate prison reform and societal reform in regards to rape..

The conversation stemmed from a post about the number of male and female victims of rape rather than the OP.

However, I would say that prison rape stems from the same lax attitudes about rape found in some parts of society as in non-prison environments, and that fighting such attitudes here would very likely reduce the incidence of rape in prisons as well.

I don't think I would contest that.

[The Steel Magnolia]

The very idea that a woman can "lead a man on" through her behaviour, dress, or actions. If she consents to a blowjob, she's not consenting to anything else.

Actually a women can lead a man on, it has happened to me. I thought she loved me but she was just using me; I has led to me attempting to commit suicide twice and I have developed depression. So yes, that does happen, a lot. I'm not suggesting that those women deserve to be raped, but it isn't rape unless consent was clearly withdrawn.

Why the fuck are you still here.


Also you get anywhere near me with the intention for sex I will call the fucking police.

[Saint Jade IV]

Ok, am I the only one who is seeing just how fucking convoluted some people are making this or what?

It's fucking easy. Really.

Before you're to engage in sexual behavior with someone, ask them if they want to have sex with you. If they say 'yes', then you have sex. If they say no, then you fucking abstain.

Is that so hard to follow? Jesus H. Christ.

Sorry but it's sort of awkward to ask someone "Wanna have sex" as your getting into bed with them. It is your responsibly to ensure that your partner is aware that you so not want to have sex with them. It is not rape simply because they didn't ask first.

If you feel awkward ensuring that the person you are getting into bed with actually wants to...you probably should not be getting into bed with people.

[Individuality-ness]

The very idea that a woman can "lead a man on" through her behaviour, dress, or actions. If she consents to a blowjob, she's not consenting to anything else.

Actually a women can lead a man on, it has happened to me. I thought she loved me but she was just using me; I has led to me attempting to commit suicide twice and I have developed depression. So yes, that does happen, a lot. I'm not suggesting that those women deserve to be raped, but it isn't rape unless consent was clearly withdrawn.

Wrong. We already corrected you at least 20 times. You're still wrong.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Actually a women can lead a man on, it has happened to me. I thought she loved me but she was just using me; I has led to me attempting to commit suicide twice and I have developed depression. So yes, that does happen, a lot. I'm not suggesting that those women deserve to be raped, but it isn't rape unless consent was clearly withdrawn.

Why the fuck are you still here.


Also you get anywhere near me with the intention for sex I will call the fucking police.

Don't you see. He's still here to teach us how not to be. Or to get assed whooped some more. Not sure.

[Eliasonia]

Actually a women can lead a man on, it has happened to me. I thought she loved me but she was just using me; I has led to me attempting to commit suicide twice and I have developed depression. So yes, that does happen, a lot. I'm not suggesting that those women deserve to be raped, but it isn't rape unless consent was clearly withdrawn.

I bring up my past example of how this is just plain stupid.
Scumbag roofies a girl at a party, girl is unconscious, can't talk and therefore can't withdraw consent. Scumbag fucks her brains out, she's powerless to stop him.
By your definition this would not be rape. Do you see the problem with your theory yet?

[Free Council Communes]

Actually a women can lead a man on, it has happened to me. I thought she loved me but she was just using me; I has led to me attempting to commit suicide twice and I have developed depression. So yes, that does happen, a lot. I'm not suggesting that those women deserve to be raped, but it isn't rape unless consent was clearly withdrawn.

Why the fuck are you still here.

Because I'm not going to back down simply because a bunch of fascists decide I lost simply because they think they can pull facts out of their asses.

[Individuality-ness]

Why the fuck are you still here.


Also you get anywhere near me with the intention for sex I will call the fucking police.

Don't you see. He's still here to teach us how not to be. Or to get assed whooped some more. Not sure.

He must really like getting whooped then.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Don't you see. He's still here to teach us how not to be. Or to get assed whooped some more. Not sure.

He must really like getting whooped then.

Maybe he likes pain.

[Free Council Communes]

Actually a women can lead a man on, it has happened to me. I thought she loved me but she was just using me; I has led to me attempting to commit suicide twice and I have developed depression. So yes, that does happen, a lot. I'm not suggesting that those women deserve to be raped, but it isn't rape unless consent was clearly withdrawn.

I bring up my past example of how this is just plain stupid.
Scumbag roofies a girl at a party, girl is unconscious, can't talk and therefore can't withdraw consent. Scumbag fucks her brains out, she's powerless to stop him.
By your definition this would not be rape. Do you see the problem with your theory yet?

No and that shouldn't be rape. That should be classified as unlawful coercion.

[Saint Jade IV]

The very idea that a woman can "lead a man on" through her behaviour, dress, or actions. If she consents to a blowjob, she's not consenting to anything else.

Actually a women can lead a man on, it has happened to me. I thought she loved me but she was just using me; I has led to me attempting to commit suicide twice and I have developed depression. So yes, that does happen, a lot. I'm not suggesting that those women deserve to be raped, but it isn't rape unless consent was clearly withdrawn.

I have no idea how your story is relevant. Are you suggesting that you raped your ex, and now feel depressed about it?

[Eliasonia]

Sorry but it's sort of awkward to ask someone "Wanna have sex" as your getting into bed with them. It is your responsibly to ensure that your partner is aware that you so not want to have sex with them. It is not rape simply because they didn't ask first.

If you feel awkward ensuring that the person you are getting into bed with actually wants to...you probably should not be getting into bed with people.

^This.
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