Men need to be trained to not rape.

[Liriena]

No it's not. You could make it part of foreplay; saying "honey, want to get it on?" is easy.

And no, it's your responsibility to know whether your partner wants sex. It would be rape otherwise.

So if I'm having sex with a women and she simply assumes I'm consenting because I'm fucking her; do I get to call rape? If not, then that would technically be a huge double standard.

You are the lousiest debater I've seen in these forums in a long, long time.

[Conserative Morality]

I remember the definition change. Any stats to show that now it's about equal?

I was calling it off the top of my head of reported rapes; I could be wrong.

They just released the 2011 statistics not too long ago. However, considering that most estimates for male-male prison rape is considered by some to possibly outnumber all other forms of rape in the US.

[Conserative Morality]

So if I'm having sex with a women and she simply assumes I'm consenting because I'm fucking her; do I get to call rape? If not, then that would technically be a huge double standard.

Stop embarrassing yourself, log off, and read up a little on consent laws and definitions before you come back, please.

[Individuality-ness]

Considering that we live in a culture where we tell people "if a woman does <x slutty thing> she deserves it!", yes, we do have such a culture.

No, we do not. Our current culture actually teaches women that they can get away with whatever they want. This is the same feminist lie I hear over and over and merely proves how naive feminists are.

What color is the sky, sweetie?

[Nailed to the Perch]

It's a women's rights issue because
1. Women are being told that they should not be people in order to prevent rape.
2. Women who ARE raped are called sluts and are otherwise shamed.
3. There's the misconception that certain behaviors = a woman "asking for it".
4. Prosecution rates are low because women either don't report, the police are assholes, the defense makes her look like a slut...

Men get raped too, and they have their own set of problems. But most rape victims are women, and most rapists are men.

So simply because the majority of victims are women it's a womens' rights issue? Then all crimes in which the majority of victims are women should be womens' rights issues.

...yes?

I'm not sure what you think a "women's rights issue" is such that "crimes that disproportionately affect women are issues that people concerned with women's rights might want to address" is supposed to be some kind of ridiculous statement.

[Golambia]

Which one?

'Most rape victims are women'. In light of both the overwhelmingly male prison system, similar social stigma against men coming out as having been raped (Although with separate justifications), and the aforementioned only recently changed definition of rape (Originally it was "the carnal knowledge of a female, forcibly and against her will."), it would seem to me that asserting that one sex is raped more than the other is not necessarily helpful and possibly untrue.

Prison rape is different to out of prison rape and you can't compare them since they happen for completely different reasons. I'm not saying that prison rape isn't a problem - it is. It just has no place in a discussion about how men are told it's okay to rape.

[Liriena]

Our current culture actually teaches women that they can get away with whatever they want.

In what parallel universe do you live?

This is the same feminist lie I hear over and over and merely proves how naive feminists are.

This is the same hateful and ignorant sort of strawman I hear over and over and fucking over from every uninformed, prejudiced little nitwit I have come across.

How did that feel?

[Free Council Communes]

Sorry but it's sort of awkward to ask someone "Wanna have sex" as your getting into bed with them.

Well aren't you a luminary.

It is your responsibly to ensure that your partner is aware that you so not want to have sex with them.

Yay for victim blaming!

It is not rape simply because they didn't ask first.

Actually...it is.
Congratulations, they're going to slaughter you in Law School.

I can't wait for the socialist revolution! All the counterrevolutionaries (like radical feminists) we be executed in democratic revolutionary trials. I'm also going to assume I can call rape if a women doesn't ask first and simply assumes I'm consenting because I seem to be going with it.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

What culture ingrained you to believe it's okay for men to rape? Does it grow in a Petri dish?

Considering that we live in a culture where we tell people "if a woman does <x slutty thing> she deserves it!", yes, we do have such a culture.

Our current culture actually teaches women that they can get away with whatever they want.[/quote]
In what parallel universe do you live?

This is the same feminist lie I hear over and over and merely proves how naive feminists are.

This is the same hateful and ignorant sort of strawman I hear over and over and fucking over from every uninformed, prejudiced little nitwit I have come across.

How did that feel?[/quote]

I'm sure it felt ok, you didn't withdrew your consent. Silly Liri.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I am posting this again:
Personally, I think men need to be trained to not rape, and women need to be trained to protect themselves for this not to happen. In this case, men a women have to work together for prevent this despicable situation to happen.

MEN CAN GET RAPED TOO AGH -gets kidnapped into a white van and is never heard from again-

THAT'S the worst part you took out of it?

[Zweite Alaje]

No it's not. You could make it part of foreplay; saying "honey, want to get it on?" is easy.

And no, it's your responsibility to know whether your partner wants sex. It would be rape otherwise.

So if I'm having sex with a women and she simply assumes I'm consenting because I'm fucking her; do I get to call rape? If not, then that would technically be a huge double standard.

Wuuuuutt?!?!?

You can't possibly be serious!

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

So if I'm having sex with a women and she simply assumes I'm consenting because I'm fucking her; do I get to call rape? If not, then that would technically be a huge double standard.

Wuuuuutt?!?!?

You can't possibly be serious!

Oh, I'm afraid he is.

[Free Council Communes]

So simply because the majority of victims are women it's a womens' rights issue? Then all crimes in which the majority of victims are women should be womens' rights issues.

...yes?

I'm not sure what you think a "women's rights issue" is such that "crimes that disproportionately affect women are issues that people concerned with women's rights might want to address" is supposed to be some kind of ridiculous statement.

So if mainly women were robbed; robbery would be a womens' rights issue?

[Individuality-ness]

I remember the definition change. Any stats to show that now it's about equal?

I was calling it off the top of my head of reported rapes; I could be wrong.

They just released the 2011 statistics not too long ago. However, considering that most estimates for male-male prison rape is considered by some to possibly outnumber all other forms of rape in the US.

Holy... damn. Okay, statement amended.

[Conserative Morality]

Prison rape is different to out of prison rape and you can't compare them since they happen for completely different reasons. I'm not saying that prison rape isn't a problem - it is. It just has no place in a discussion about how men are told it's okay to rape.

If anything, I should think it the fulfillment of how terrible it is that society ignores the cultivation of such attitudes. Unless convicted criminals are no longer people.

[Mavorpen]

...yes?

I'm not sure what you think a "women's rights issue" is such that "crimes that disproportionately affect women are issues that people concerned with women's rights might want to address" is supposed to be some kind of ridiculous statement.

So if mainly women were robbed; robbery would be a womens' rights issue?

Yes. Why is this hard to grasp?

[Nailed to the Perch]

Actually, sexual acts should be considered consensual unless one partner directly & verbally objects to said sexual act.

Oh gods, my brain...you can't possibly mean this, you can't, it's too patently insane, you have to be fucking with us.

Human decency says no, but the fact that she's in a coma and can't speak or react says yes!

[/ick ick ick ick ick]

[Free Council Communes]

So if I'm having sex with a women and she simply assumes I'm consenting because I'm fucking her; do I get to call rape? If not, then that would technically be a huge double standard.

Wuuuuutt?!?!?

You can't possibly be serious!

So no logical argument there. Don't post if you have nothing to contribute other than "Wuuuuutt?"

[Individuality-ness]

Well aren't you a luminary.


Yay for victim blaming!


Actually...it is.
Congratulations, they're going to slaughter you in Law School.

I can't wait for the socialist revolution! All the counterrevolutionaries (like radical feminists) we be executed in democratic revolutionary trials. I'm also going to assume I can call rape if a women doesn't ask first and simply assumes I'm consenting because I seem to be going with it.

Since when was "teach everyone about consent" radical?

[New England and The Maritimes]

Prison rape is different to out of prison rape and you can't compare them since they happen for completely different reasons. I'm not saying that prison rape isn't a problem - it is. It just has no place in a discussion about how men are told it's okay to rape.

If anything, I should think it the fulfillment of how terrible it is that society ignores the cultivation of such attitudes. Unless convicted criminals are no longer people.

Prison rapes. Which are committed by men. Who rape men for largely the same reasons they rape women. Hence addressing this issue without fussing about to change the verbiage to match EVERYONE's specific tastes will improve this situation as well.

[Liriena]

I can't wait for the socialist revolution! All the counterrevolutionaries (like radical feminists) we be executed in democratic revolutionary trials. I'm also going to assume I can call rape if a women doesn't ask first and simply assumes I'm consenting because I seem to be going with it.

Marx is screaming in rage in his grave after reading that. For fuck's sake, if you're going to advocate for a socialist revolution, at least have the decency to follow the doctrine of the founding fathers of your ideology.

For Shiva's sake, talk about fatuous!

[Zweite Alaje]

...yes?

I'm not sure what you think a "women's rights issue" is such that "crimes that disproportionately affect women are issues that people concerned with women's rights might want to address" is supposed to be some kind of ridiculous statement.

So if mainly women were robbed; robbery would be a womens' rights issue?

No, it's more about issues generally unique to women. Men are rarely victims of rape....outside of prison atleast.

[Mavorpen]

Wuuuuutt?!?!?

You can't possibly be serious!

So no logical argument there. Don't post if you have nothing to contribute other than "Wuuuuutt?"

"I've baffled my opponent with my idiotic statement so much that they are at a loss for words. I WIN MOTHERFUCKERS!"

[Nailed to the Perch]

...yes?

I'm not sure what you think a "women's rights issue" is such that "crimes that disproportionately affect women are issues that people concerned with women's rights might want to address" is supposed to be some kind of ridiculous statement.

So if mainly women were robbed; robbery would be a womens' rights issue?

Sure. Why on earth wouldn't it be? If women were being disproportionately targeted for robbery, why would someone concerned with women's rights NOT address that?

[Freelanderness]

MEN CAN GET RAPED TOO AGH -gets kidnapped into a white van and is never heard from again-

THAT'S the worst part you took out of it?

No but it was the easiest target.

Most men I know hate being generalised. Fancy that!

But surely we all need to be deprogrammed from raping, no?

People just need to be immersed in a culture of consent. I don't discriminate on gender.