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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:36 pm

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Individuality-ness wrote:Incest is wincest? They're both adults. :P

Isn't fantastic when other posters misunderstand my jokes to you?

Very much so.
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Postby Snafturi » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:36 pm

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Choronzon wrote:Women owning their own bodies is a bourgeois attack on our freedom.

I never knew.

No, but consent not being assumed as long as the women can withdraw it is.

Have I already mentioned how fucking terrifying it is that you're into BDSM?
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Postby Choronzon » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:36 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
>Calls consent an attack on sexual freedom
>Advocates a situation where it's only rape if a victim clearly says "No".

:palm: Lrn2socialism.

Read what I have written before you criticize me. I have already stated having sex with an unconscious person is rape too.

Well, not originally. But you did back peddle to that position.

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Postby Choronzon » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:36 pm

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Free Council Communes wrote:No, but consent not being assumed as long as the women can withdraw it is.

Have I already mentioned how fucking terrifying it is that you're into BDSM?

A couple of us have.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:37 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
>Calls consent an attack on sexual freedom
>Advocates a situation where it's only rape if a victim clearly says "No".

:palm: Lrn2socialism.

Read what I have written before you criticize me.


I have. That's why I did it.

I have already stated having sex with an unconscious person is rape too.


That's nice. Still doesn't change the fact that you're saying that in various circumstances, rape isn't actually rape.
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Postby Neo Art » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:37 pm

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Snafturi wrote:Have I already mentioned how fucking terrifying it is that you're into BDSM?

A couple of us have.


I don't think it can be understated.
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Postby Flavionia » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:37 pm

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Flavionia wrote:wouldn't that just let females act like sluts and hold men accountable

Because rape victims are sluts who were asking for it, amirite? :roll:


havent you seen those women who are like "its not my fault i was drunk and wasn't thinking and he had sex with me" dont tell me youve never seen those
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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:38 pm

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Individuality-ness wrote:But it's true. He came out to his dad yesterday. :(

They mostly come at night... mostly.

So that's why we were FB messaging each other at midnight! (Or 3AM in the morning on his end.)
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Postby Free Council Communes » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:38 pm

Choronzon wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:No, but consent not being assumed as long as the women can withdraw it is.

You cannot claim to believe women own their own bodies while also claiming that consent can be assumed.

No, because women have the right to reject sexual advances. If they do not reject or say no (provided they are currently capable of doing so), then consent can be assumed.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:38 pm

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Free Council Communes wrote:No, but consent not being assumed as long as the women can withdraw it is.

Have I already mentioned how fucking terrifying it is that you're into BDSM?

I would have him blacklisted from any kink community.
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Flavionia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Because rape victims are sluts who were asking for it, amirite? :roll:


havent you seen those women who are like "its not my fault i was drunk and wasn't thinking and he had sex with me" dont tell me youve never seen those

I've seen those.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:38 pm

Flavionia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Because rape victims are sluts who were asking for it, amirite? :roll:


havent you seen those women who are like "its not my fault i was drunk and wasn't thinking and he had sex with me" dont tell me youve never seen those

Outside of Lifetime? No, never seen it.

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Postby Choronzon » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:39 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Choronzon wrote:You cannot claim to believe women own their own bodies while also claiming that consent can be assumed.

No, because women have the right to reject sexual advances. If they do not reject or say no (provided they are currently capable of doing so), then consent can be assumed.

Tell me, why do women's bodies exist in a state of default consent?

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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:39 pm

Flavionia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Because rape victims are sluts who were asking for it, amirite? :roll:

havent you seen those women who are like "its not my fault i was drunk and wasn't thinking and he had sex with me" dont tell me youve never seen those

Regretting having sex =! rape. Get your definitions straight.
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Postby Condunum » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:39 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
>Calls consent an attack on sexual freedom
>Advocates a situation where it's only rape if a victim clearly says "No".

:palm: Lrn2socialism.

Read what I have written before you criticize me. I have already stated having sex with an unconscious person is rape too.

So is sex with someone who doesn't expressly say no. If they don't say yes, it's rape. It's also rape if the yes is coerced.
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Postby Choronzon » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:39 pm

Flavionia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Because rape victims are sluts who were asking for it, amirite? :roll:


havent you seen those women who are like "its not my fault i was drunk and wasn't thinking and he had sex with me" dont tell me youve never seen those

Yeah, they're called rape victims.

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Postby Bottle » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:39 pm

Flavionia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Because rape victims are sluts who were asking for it, amirite? :roll:


havent you seen those women who are like "its not my fault i was drunk and wasn't thinking and he had sex with me" dont tell me youve never seen those

Why do you want to fuck unwilling women?
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:39 pm

Flavionia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Because rape victims are sluts who were asking for it, amirite? :roll:


havent you seen those women who are like "its not my fault i was drunk and wasn't thinking and he had sex with me" dont tell me youve never seen those


You can't give informed consent when drunk. Therefore having sex with someone who is drunk is placing you, legally, in a very bad place.

And rightly so. Or did Steubenville pass you by too?
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Postby Neo Art » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:39 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Snafturi wrote:Have I already mentioned how fucking terrifying it is that you're into BDSM?

I would have him blacklisted from any kink community.


People like him ARE the bulk of the kink "community"
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Postby Choronzon » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:39 pm

Flavionia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Because rape victims are sluts who were asking for it, amirite? :roll:


havent you seen those women who are like "its not my fault i was drunk and wasn't thinking and he had sex with me" dont tell me youve never seen those

Yeah, they're called rape victims.

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Postby Free Council Communes » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:39 pm

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Free Council Communes wrote:Read what I have written before you criticize me.


I have. That's why I did it.

I have already stated having sex with an unconscious person is rape too.


That's nice. Still doesn't change the fact that you're saying that in various circumstances, rape isn't actually rape.

You are not socialist, you are anti-Marxist to the core.
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Postby Flavionia » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:39 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Flavionia wrote:havent you seen those women who are like "its not my fault i was drunk and wasn't thinking and he had sex with me" dont tell me youve never seen those

Regretting having sex =! rape. Get your definitions straight.


they were saying they got raped.
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Postby Choronzon » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:40 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:You are not socialist, you are anti-Marxist to the core.

Says the reactionary who thinks that women's bodies exist in a state of default consent.

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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:40 pm

Free Council Communes wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
I have. That's why I did it.



That's nice. Still doesn't change the fact that you're saying that in various circumstances, rape isn't actually rape.

You are not socialist, you are anti-Marxist to the core.


Please wave your totally purely Marxist ideologo-peen around somewhere else. Hell, TG me if you particularly feel the need to.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:40 pm

Neo Art wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:I would have him blacklisted from any kink community.

People like him ARE the bulk of the kink "community"

Oh gods....

Flavionia wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Regretting having sex =! rape. Get your definitions straight.

they were saying they got raped.

Probably because if some guy took advantage of them while they were drunk, they were raped.
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