Falkland/Malvinas Islands Debate- Your Opinion?

[GrandKirche]

The vote was on being an Overseas territory, the three may have wanted to become an English County.

[Tekania]

I was merely trying to highlight that "Good Guy Britain" hasn't exactly been all that great in being considerate to possessions under it's control.

Of course you were, you're willing to grasp for any straw.

[Tekania]

Just to remind all again. This referendum has nothing to do with and thus does not solve the main problem at hand which is Argentinas historical claim to those islands. Once Argentina and the UK. agree on who gets what if anything, then the issue of the islanders can be discussed.

Just to remind you, yet again, pretty much all historical claims put forth by Argentina have essentially been proven wrong so this referendum does solve the main problem at hand.

I'd argue personally that the main problem is that Argentina is run by douche-bags, and douche-bags support Argentina in this. In light of that, I agree the referendum does not solve the problem of douche-bags.

[DestiNation High]

Whatever the Falklanders want, and they want remain to be British.

[Napkiraly]

I can't wait to hear Kirchner's reaction. 10 quid says she's stopping around the Casa Rosada like a two year old having a tantrum.

[Constaniana]

I can't wait to hear Kirchner's reaction. 10 quid says she's stopping around the Casa Rosada like a two year old having a tantrum.

She already said prior to the referendum that she thinks the results are invalid because of the "The Falklanders are illegal immigrants and pirates, and have no rights or self-determination" nonsense she believes in.

[Morrdh]

I can't wait to hear Kirchner's reaction. 10 quid says she's stopping around the Casa Rosada like a two year old having a tantrum.

She already said prior to the referendum that she thinks the results are invalid because of the "The Falklanders are illegal immigrants and pirates, and have no rights or self-determination" nonsense she believes in.

Ironic since some of the Falklanders can trace their ancestry back to the settlers of the 'Argentine' settlement founded by Lious Vernet with approval by Britain.

It was only the small garrison of an Argentine penal who'd mutinied against their commander a year earlier that was asked to leave when Britain decided to return to the islands.

[Laeriland]

What is this debate you speak of? They want to be British so let them.

[West German Empire]

What historical claim ? they occupied an Island that, at first had been inhabited by nobody, and then by multiple colonial powers. There was no indigenous Argentinian population to the islands. They occupied the Islands briefly in the 1800s before the Islands returned to British control. Where apart from the period of forceful occupation during the Falklands war, they have remained under British control.

This link shows this. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_sovereignty_dispute]

As for the notion that the Islanders have no right to self determination, that argument stinks of utter hypocrisy, you accuse the British of being colonialists, yet have the same colonialist attitudes. It sickens me that Kirchner is still given the time of day, she is nobody.

[Tekania]

I can't wait to hear Kirchner's reaction. 10 quid says she's stopping around the Casa Rosada like a two year old having a tantrum.

She already said prior to the referendum that she thinks the results are invalid because of the "The Falklanders are illegal immigrants and pirates, and have no rights or self-determination" nonsense she believes in.

Indeed, which makes the referendum nice and all, but ultimately pointless as to solving the main problem.... which is the general douche-baggery of the Argentinian regime. No amount of referendums will solve that issue. Unless the referendum is to remove douche-bags from power in Argentina (at all levels).

[Arglorand]

I can't wait to hear Kirchner's reaction. 10 quid says she's stopping around the Casa Rosada like a two year old having a tantrum.

She already said prior to the referendum that she thinks the results are invalid because of the "The Falklanders are illegal immigrants and pirates, and have no rights or self-determination" nonsense she believes in.

Still, I'd like to see her actual after-referendum reaction.

[Machtergreifung]

Uruguay is trying to get in on the action too...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ntina.html

Old news; I've been pointing this out for years, and repeated as much back on page 10 of the thread (though with a different justification):

viewtopic.php?p=13315753#p13315753


Las Malvinas son uruguayas!

Give them to Uruguay, let Argentina argue with them and Britain can get out of the whole sorry mess for good.

[Tekania]

She already said prior to the referendum that she thinks the results are invalid because of the "The Falklanders are illegal immigrants and pirates, and have no rights or self-determination" nonsense she believes in.

Still, I'd like to see her actual after-referendum reaction.

It will be the same as before, general dismissal of the Falklanders and continued whining about how the UK refuses to talk on the issue (without the Islanders).

[Machtergreifung]

I was merely trying to highlight that "Good Guy Britain" hasn't exactly been all that great in being considerate to possessions under it's control.

Of course you were, you're willing to grasp for any straw.

It's just worth noting that Hong Kong get's thrown in along with the New Territories , wrapped up and handed to Red China without a by-your-leave to the population, while less than two thousand living on some hellhole in the South Atlantic actually get to vote.

Then again, it's not breaking news that Britain only dicks countries that have no capacity to resist.

[Arglorand]

Of course you were, you're willing to grasp for any straw.

It's just worth noting that Hong Kong get's thrown in along with the New Territories , wrapped up and handed to Red China without a by-your-leave to the population, while less than two thousand living on some hellhole in the South Atlantic actually get to vote.

Then again, it's not breaking news that Britain only dicks countries that have no capacity to resist.

That's pretty much how international politics works, however. Partially unfortunately, but still.

Self-determination, while it should be the first choice in every territorial dispute, usually isn't.

[Morrdh]

Of course you were, you're willing to grasp for any straw.

It's just worth noting that Hong Kong get's thrown in along with the New Territories , wrapped up and handed to Red China without a by-your-leave to the population, while less than two thousand living on some hellhole in the South Atlantic actually get to vote.

Then again, it's not breaking news that Britain only dicks countries that have no capacity to resist.

As I stated earlier in the thread Hong Kong was leased by the British for a set period of time as agreed upon by treaty, Britain was bound by treaty to hand Hong Kong over once the lease had expired.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Of course you were, you're willing to grasp for any straw.

It's just worth noting that Hong Kong get's thrown in along with the New Territories , wrapped up and handed to Red China without a by-your-leave to the population, while less than two thousand living on some hellhole in the South Atlantic actually get to vote.

Then again, it's not breaking news that Britain only dicks countries that have no capacity to resist.

To be fair to the British, the 50 year or so '2 systems' policy was probably the best result. Had they called a referendum, and the British won, do you think the Chinese with their great human rights record will have followed it? Doubtful. Even if Britain had launched a military defense of the territory, even a victory (however unlikely) would have resulted in thousands of civilian casualties given the population density there. The current syatem affords the Hong Kongers all the rights of the British system with no harm done to the place as a whole.

[Priory Academy USSR]

It's just worth noting that Hong Kong get's thrown in along with the New Territories , wrapped up and handed to Red China without a by-your-leave to the population, while less than two thousand living on some hellhole in the South Atlantic actually get to vote.

Then again, it's not breaking news that Britain only dicks countries that have no capacity to resist.

As I stated earlier in the thread Hong Kong was leased by the British for a set period of time as agreed upon by treaty, Britain was bound by treaty to hand Hong Kong over once the lease had expired.

Hong Kong wasn't leased. There was another part that was (I believe the new Territories) that was leased for 99 years, but Hong Kong was officially ceded to Britain in the 19th century.

[Tekania]

Of course you were, you're willing to grasp for any straw.

It's just worth noting that Hong Kong get's thrown in along with the New Territories , wrapped up and handed to Red China without a by-your-leave to the population, while less than two thousand living on some hellhole in the South Atlantic actually get to vote.

Then again, it's not breaking news that Britain only dicks countries that have no capacity to resist.

I'm unconcerned with the UK's opinion on the matter, except insofar as it lines up with the resident's views. I'm even less concerned with Hong Kong or anywhere else when it comes to whether the Falklander's gets choice or not. In my view if they residents of Hong Kong wanted to stay a UK territory, the return of the colony to China should have been resisted, whether it was or not, however is completely irrelevant to this issue. Your pedantic straw grasping is useless.

[Morrdh]

As I stated earlier in the thread Hong Kong was leased by the British for a set period of time as agreed upon by treaty, Britain was bound by treaty to hand Hong Kong over once the lease had expired.

Hong Kong wasn't leased. There was another part that was (I believe the new Territories) that was leased for 99 years, but Hong Kong was officially ceded to Britain in the 19th century.

Yeah, though the problem was that the urban growth of Hong Kong meant that the New Territories had effectively ceased to exist as a separate entity. Simply handing over the New Territories would've been tricky as it would've meant handing over a large chunk of the city itself, Britain went for the simpler option to avoid possible tension and conflict in the future.

[Priory Academy USSR]

Hong Kong wasn't leased. There was another part that was (I believe the new Territories) that was leased for 99 years, but Hong Kong was officially ceded to Britain in the 19th century.

Yeah, though the problem was that the urban growth of Hong Kong meant that the New Territories had effectively ceased to exist as a separate entity. Simply handing over the New Territories would've been tricky as it would've meant handing over a large chunk of the city itself, Britain went for the simpler option to avoid possible tension and conflict in the future.

Indeed.

[Liriena]

The Falklanders are patriotic to the core, and 98.8% voted to remain British. This is fantastic, because we British are the greatest country in the world and if them Argies invade again, we'll show them who's boss once more. (Image)
Come on Kirchner, does it look like these people want to join your nation?

Argentina ain't invading. Feel free to drop the macho patriot attitude a few levels.

[Kouralia]

The Falklanders are patriotic to the core, and 98.8% voted to remain British. This is fantastic, because we British are the greatest country in the world and if them Argies invade again, we'll show them who's boss once more. (Image)
Come on Kirchner, does it look like these people want to join your nation?

Argentina ain't invading. Feel free to drop the macho patriot attitude a few levels.

Argentina isn't invading, but we can feel all superior and laugh at their inability to do something they have no intention of doing.

[Liriena]

Argentina ain't invading. Feel free to drop the macho patriot attitude a few levels.

Argentina isn't invading, but we can feel all superior and laugh at their inability to do something they have no intention of doing.

Sure you can.

[Machtergreifung]

It's just worth noting that Hong Kong get's thrown in along with the New Territories , wrapped up and handed to Red China without a by-your-leave to the population, while less than two thousand living on some hellhole in the South Atlantic actually get to vote.

Then again, it's not breaking news that Britain only dicks countries that have no capacity to resist.

To be fair to the British, the 50 year or so '2 systems' policy was probably the best result. Had they called a referendum, and the British won, do you think the Chinese with their great human rights record will have followed it? Doubtful. Even if Britain had launched a military defense of the territory, even a victory (however unlikely) would have resulted in thousands of civilian casualties given the population density there. The current syatem affords the Hong Kongers all the rights of the British system with no harm done to the place as a whole.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL34071.pdf

The experts agree with you, though it is interesting how there seems to be moves towards the usual control of civil rights seen in the rest of China.

It's just worth noting that Hong Kong get's thrown in along with the New Territories , wrapped up and handed to Red China without a by-your-leave to the population, while less than two thousand living on some hellhole in the South Atlantic actually get to vote.

Then again, it's not breaking news that Britain only dicks countries that have no capacity to resist.

I'm unconcerned with the UK's opinion on the matter, except insofar as it lines up with the resident's views. I'm even less concerned with Hong Kong or anywhere else when it comes to whether the Falklander's gets choice or not. In my view if they residents of Hong Kong wanted to stay a UK territory, the return of the colony to China should have been resisted, whether it was or not, however is completely irrelevant to this issue. Your pedantic straw grasping is useless.

Britian - handing out self-determination (providing China isn't involved) since 1997.