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Your opinion on Falkland Islands?

The islands should remain under British control.
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80%
The island should be handed over to the Argentinian government.
59
12%
They should be left uninhabited.
37
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Total votes : 491

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Postby Risottia » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:52 am

Fintanland wrote:
Edward Richtofen wrote:You want land that you supposedl have no valid claim over

Many countries do. Japan. Russia. China. Indonesia. Brunei. Italy.


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Postby National Socialists of America » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:59 am

I honestly think it should be handed over to the Argentinians because of how close they are to Argentina. Besides it did use to be Argentinian/Spanish/whatever until the Brits conquered it. Plus Argentina would finally stop bitching about it.

But in the end, it will always remain a UK territory, because like OP said, most of the islanders are Brits so it's going to be extremely biased.
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Postby Condunum » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:04 am

National Socialists of America wrote:I honestly think it should be handed over to the Argentinians because of how close they are to Argentina. Besides it did use to be Argentinian/Spanish/whatever until the Brits conquered it. Plus Argentina would finally stop bitching about it.

But in the end, it will always remain a UK territory, because like OP said, most of the islanders are Brits so it's going to be extremely biased.

Yes, people's opinions about themselves tend to be biased when they like the situation they have.
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Postby National Socialists of America » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:07 am

Condunum wrote:
National Socialists of America wrote:I honestly think it should be handed over to the Argentinians because of how close they are to Argentina. Besides it did use to be Argentinian/Spanish/whatever until the Brits conquered it. Plus Argentina would finally stop bitching about it.

But in the end, it will always remain a UK territory, because like OP said, most of the islanders are Brits so it's going to be extremely biased.

Yes, people's opinions about themselves tend to be biased when they like the situation they have.

Don't try and twist my words.
Total Military Manpower: 14,033,657

Wehrmacht:
Total: 9,284,396
Active Duty: 780,752
Reserves: 8,503,644

Kriegsmarine:
Total: 3,182,934
Active Duty: 71,679
Reserves: 3,111,255
Total Ships: 473

Luftwaffe:
Total: 1,566,327
Active Duty: 189,062
Reserves: 1,377,265

Oh really? Which "oil" nation has America invaded and conquered lately? You must mean America, which will overtake the Middle East as the world's largest energy producer in 5 years. That America will invade countries?

Pathetic how people actually start to believe their own mindless BS.

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Postby Condunum » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:20 am

National Socialists of America wrote:
Condunum wrote:Yes, people's opinions about themselves tend to be biased when they like the situation they have.

Don't try and twist my words.

I'm not. I'm making a note that people tend to like the situation they are in if it is good, and that is the only justification the British government needs to keep the islands. because the inhabitants want them to.

Besides, the Argentinians have zero legitimate claim to it.
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Postby Aeken » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:25 am

National Socialists of America wrote:I honestly think it should be handed over to the Argentinians because of how close they are to Argentina. Besides it did use to be Argentinian/Spanish/whatever until the Brits conquered it. Plus Argentina would finally stop bitching about it.

But in the end, it will always remain a UK territory, because like OP said, most of the islanders are Brits so it's going to be extremely biased.

I guess the only way to see how they felt is to be Falklander. Regardless of their choice, Argentina's a crumbling, debt ridden nation thanks to their nuts president, so Britain would definitely better.

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Postby Hathradic States » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:27 am

British won. British won again. And they'd win again if someone tried to take them again. So, I'd say it's a British territory.

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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:27 am

National Socialists of America wrote:I honestly think it should be handed over to the Argentinians because of how close they are to Argentina.

Alternatively, Argentina should surrender to Britain because it is close to Falklands, who are British.


National Socialists of America wrote:Besides it did use to be Argentinian/Spanish/whatever until the Brits conquered it. Plus Argentina would finally stop bitching about it.

No, it used to be French. Then, British-Spanish.

National Socialists of America wrote:But in the end, it will always remain a UK territory, because like OP said, most of the islanders are Brits so it's going to be extremely biased.

Argentine elections are biased because they dont let British vote in their national elections. True story.
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Postby Aeken » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:27 am

Hathradic States wrote:British won. British won again. And they'd win again if someone tried to take them again. So, I'd say it's a British territory.

This. ^

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Postby Marcurix » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:28 am

National Socialists of America wrote:I honestly think it should be handed over to the Argentinians because of how close they are to Argentina. Besides it did use to be Argentinian/Spanish/whatever until the Brits conquered it. Plus Argentina would finally stop bitching about it.

But in the end, it will always remain a UK territory, because like OP said, most of the islanders are Brits so it's going to be extremely biased.


You didn't look through this thread at all did you? Or any one on the subject prior to this.
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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:28 am

Hathradic States wrote:And they'd win again if someone tried to take them again.

What if Martian aliens with giant death stars tried to take them over?
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Postby Hathradic States » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:29 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:And they'd win again if someone tried to take them again.

What if Martian aliens with giant death stars tried to take them over?

Then the Crown will nuke Mars.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:31 am

Marcurix wrote:
National Socialists of America wrote:I honestly think it should be handed over to the Argentinians because of how close they are to Argentina. Besides it did use to be Argentinian/Spanish/whatever until the Brits conquered it. Plus Argentina would finally stop bitching about it.

But in the end, it will always remain a UK territory, because like OP said, most of the islanders are Brits so it's going to be extremely biased.

You didn't look through this thread at all did you? Or any one on the subject prior to this.

The fool's a nazi, so his opinions are automatically worthless anyway.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:39 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:What if Martian aliens with giant death stars tried to take them over?

Then the Crown will nuke Mars.

What if the aliens are nuke-resistant cockroaches?
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Postby Hathradic States » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:46 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Marcurix wrote:You didn't look through this thread at all did you? Or any one on the subject prior to this.

The fool's a nazi, so his opinions are automatically worthless anyway.

I find this post offensive.

Great Nepal wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Then the Crown will nuke Mars.

What if the aliens are nuke-resistant cockroaches?

Then the limeys keep nuking, and then gas their asses when they land.

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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:48 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:What if the aliens are nuke-resistant cockroaches?

Then the limeys keep nuking, and then gas their asses when they land.

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You clearly haven't been to cockroach survival store...
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Postby Hathradic States » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:50 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:
Then the limeys keep nuking, and then gas their asses when they land.

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You clearly haven't been to cockroach survival store...

Oh. Shit. Well, glad I'm not British.

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Postby Stanisburg » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:57 am

Wait, this is still going on?

I vote we make the islands a Palestinian state. Solves two problems at once.

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Postby Great Nepal » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:57 am

Hathradic States wrote:Oh. Shit. Well, glad I'm not British.

I think Brits are just keeping Falklands to bribe the Cockroach invasion army when they land. That way, homeland is safe.
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Postby Hathradic States » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:57 am

Great Nepal wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Oh. Shit. Well, glad I'm not British.

I think Brits are just keeping Falklands to bribe the Cockroach invasion army when they land. That way, homeland is safe.

This all makes sense!

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:58 am

Hathradic States wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:The fool's a nazi, so his opinions are automatically worthless anyway.

I find this post offensive.

And as an European I find nazi filth offensive, so I guess it evens out.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Hathradic States » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:00 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:I find this post offensive.

And as an European I find nazi filth offensive, so I guess it evens out.

And as an quasi-Nazi I find France offensive.

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Postby Machtergreifung » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:24 am

National Socialists of America wrote:I honestly think it should be handed over to the Argentinians because of how close they are to Argentina. Besides it did use to be Argentinian/Spanish/whatever until the Brits conquered it. Plus Argentina would finally stop bitching about it.

But in the end, it will always remain a UK territory, because like OP said, most of the islanders are Brits so it's going to be extremely biased.



Actually, I seem to recall a UN convention saying something along the lines of Argentina having a geographical right to the Falklands due to contiental plates or some such. I'll see if I can dig it up.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:37 am

Machtergreifung wrote:Actually, I seem to recall a UN convention saying something along the lines of Argentina having a geographical right to the Falklands due to contiental plates or some such. I'll see if I can dig it up.


You probably mean the Montego Bay convention on the Law of the Sea, which says:

SECTION 2. LIMITS OF THE TERRITORIAL SEA

Article 3. Breadth of the territorial sea

Every State has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea up to a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles, measured from baselines determined in accordance with this Convention.


A nautical mile is equivalent to 1,852 m.

12 nautical miles, therefore, would be equivalent to 22.22400 Km.

The Falklands are beyond the 12 nautical miles.
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Postby Machtergreifung » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:42 am

Samuraikoku wrote:
Machtergreifung wrote:Actually, I seem to recall a UN convention saying something along the lines of Argentina having a geographical right to the Falklands due to contiental plates or some such. I'll see if I can dig it up.


You probably mean the Montego Bay convention on the Law of the Sea, which says:

SECTION 2. LIMITS OF THE TERRITORIAL SEA

Article 3. Breadth of the territorial sea

Every State has the right to establish the breadth of its territorial sea up to a limit not exceeding 12 nautical miles, measured from baselines determined in accordance with this Convention.


A nautical mile is equivalent to 1,852 m.

12 nautical miles, therefore, would be equivalent to 22.22400 Km.

The Falklands are beyond the 12 nautical miles.



I don't think so, it was something about contiental plates. The body of the arguement was the the Falklands and Argentina shared the same plate, and as the closest mainland country, the islands were a "natural" continuation of the Argentine mainland. I could be very wrong though, and confusing it with Rockall or Spitzbergen. IIRC it's the same arguement that's been applied to places like Seeland, but with the other claims taking precedence.

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