Best Western Government?

by **Conserative Morality** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:27 pm

Whiskey Hill wrote:I voted for Germany because of the structure of their state, since that is the government, but Denmark and Sweden have better policies. The best.

Basic problems with the US:
1. Undemocratic Senate
4. Nobody cares about the constitution, even while we fetishize the founders.

I'm afraid 1 and 4 are... Incorrect.

by **Lunatic Goofballs** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:27 pm

Dimoniquid wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Jamaica.

Why is Jamaica never a poll choice?

Because they be taking my stuff an ting...

Aww. You need a hug. :hug:

by **The Rich Port** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:30 pm

You can smoke pot in Sweden... or is it Switzerland?

On second thought, who cares? Models + nude beaches = PWNT

by **LOL ANARCHY NUBZ** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:32 pm

The Rich Port wrote:You can smoke pot in Sweden... or is it Switzerland?

On second thought, who cares? Models + nude beaches = PWNT

Switzerland has beaches? :blink:

by **East Catalina** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:33 pm

Australia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Whiskey Hill** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:34 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Whiskey Hill wrote:I voted for Germany because of the structure of their state, since that is the government, but Denmark and Sweden have better policies. The best.

Basic problems with the US:
1. Undemocratic Senate
4. Nobody cares about the constitution, even while we fetishize the founders.

I'm afraid 1 and 4 are... Incorrect.

No, I'm thinking pretty clearly, and not contradicting myself.

The senate was designed to be undemocratic in the original constitution, but we have amended the constitution in the past to make it more democratic, and since the founders made our constitution to be amended, there's nothing contradictory about that. I'd be open to amending it more to change the small state bias, but when I'm talking about the problem of the undemocratic senate, I'm not talking about how it is currently constructed by the constitution, I'm talking about the rules of the filibuster, which do not need an amendment to fix. We only need to fix the rules, which are passed at the beginning of every two year session.

by **WhatchaTalkinBout** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:35 pm

East Catalina wrote:Australia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT WESTERN

by **East Catalina** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:35 pm

I said Australia because it's got a weird location and climate(s),even if that doesn't deal with politics and government.I like Australia.

by **East Catalina** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:36 pm

In this case,what the HECK IS Western?

by **Hydesland** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:38 pm

WhatchaTalkinBout wrote:
East Catalina wrote:Australia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOT WESTERN

Actually it is considered western, it's not really based on geography any more.

by **East Catalina** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:39 pm

Is South Africa Western?If not,I still say it's a nice country(now).

by **Northern Delmarva** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:43 pm

East Catalina wrote:Is South Africa Western?

Yes.

by **Northwest Slobovia** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:43 pm

Whiskey Hill wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:
Whiskey Hill wrote:I voted for Germany because of the structure of their state, since that is the government, but Denmark and Sweden have better policies. The best.

Basic problems with the US:
1. Undemocratic Senate
4. Nobody cares about the constitution, even while we fetishize the founders.

I'm afraid 1 and 4 are... Incorrect.

No, I'm thinking pretty clearly, and not contradicting myself.

The senate was designed to be undemocratic in the original constitution, but we have amended the constitution in the past to make it more democratic, and since the founders made our constitution to be amended, there's nothing contradictory about that. I'd be open to amending it more to change the small state bias, but when I'm talking about the problem of the undemocratic senate, I'm not talking about how it is currently constructed by the constitution, I'm talking about the rules of the filibuster, which do not need an amendment to fix. We only need to fix the rules, which are passed at the beginning of every two year session.

Requiring a supermajority ≠ undemocratic. You mention amending the Constitution, that also requires at least one supermajority:

Article V wrote:
The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

Or are you saying that the Constitution is itself undemocratic?

by **H N Fiddlebottoms VIII** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:43 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Jamaica.

Why is Jamaica never a poll choice?

Are you a homophobe who likes getting mugged or murdered?
(I hate the song, but couldn't resist the reference).

by **Molested Sock** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:44 pm

The chrisman union wrote:No government can be seen as the 'best'. Each has good qualities, though each has bad qualities that cannot make it the best. Though if I had to pick, I'd say France, just because I like france.

YOU LIE!
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Denmark.
I like how the term Western Hemisphere was used, because nations like Australia and New Zealand are called 'Western nations', though Singapore isn't (really called one) , it's psuedo racial(If not racist).

by **WhatchaTalkinBout** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:45 pm

Northern Delmarva wrote:
East Catalina wrote:Is South Africa Western?

Yes.

Actually, no.

by **Kim Jong-ilia** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:45 pm

Why isn't Australia on there?!

Molested Sock wrote:I like how the term Western Hemisphere was used, because nations like Australia and New Zealand are called 'Western nations', though Singapore isn't (really called one) , it's psuedo racial(If not racist).

^This

by **Molested Sock** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:48 pm

Kim Jong-Ilia wrote:Why isn't Australia on there?!

Molested Sock wrote:I like how the term Western Hemisphere was used, because nations like Australia and New Zealand are called 'Western nations', though Singapore isn't (really called one) , it's psuedo racial(If not racist).

^This

*EDIT*
Damn editing of quoted text.

by **Mariahamn** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:51 pm

WhatchaTalkinBout wrote:
Northern Delmarva wrote:
East Catalina wrote:Is South Africa Western?

Yes.

Actually, no.

I disagree.

by **Whiskey Hill** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:58 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Or are you saying that the Constitution is itself undemocratic?

Of course, and it has to be to protect people's rights. It is absolutely right, just, and fair for the constitution to be undemocratic in some ways to protect people's rights. But it is good to have some democracy as well, and I think we should have more in the senate. Majority rule is a basic principle of democracy. Supermajority requirements are as undemocratic as a requirement for unanimity would be.

by **EmeriKa** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:59 pm

WhatchaTalkinBout wrote:But look at all the countries we liberated!

When did you liberate Finland? Or Sweden? Or Estonia? Or Poland? Etcetera. Many of these nations listed never needed American liberation, never got it even if they needed it and are only free now because the USSR collapsed. And whatnot.

"Skallvia" · by **Maurepas** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:00 pm

EmeriKa wrote:
When did you liberate Finland? Or Sweden? Or Estonia? Or Poland? Etcetera.

Presumably its taking credit for the end of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union...

by **Dimoniquid** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:01 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:
Dimoniquid wrote:
Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Jamaica.

Why is Jamaica never a poll choice?

Because they be taking my stuff an ting...

Aww. You need a hug.

Come 'ere.

by **EmeriKa** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:02 pm

Maurepas wrote:
EmeriKa wrote:
When did you liberate Finland? Or Sweden? Or Estonia? Or Poland? Etcetera.

Presumably its taking credit for the end of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union...

In the case of Finland, we actually only got aid FROM the Germans (the Brits and whatnot gave us moral support, but that doesn't help when you're getting shot at), so no go with that. USSR was likely to collapse when it did anyway, so that's a no go too. Sweden was neutral and never was taken over by the Germans nor the Soviets, so that, too, is a no go.

WAT!

"Skallvia" · by **Maurepas** » Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:02 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:Jamaica.

Why is Jamaica never a poll choice?

Because they suck at Bobsledding,

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