Where are the Reparations

[Folk Metals]

No one is equal, in intellect, abilities, etc.

Therefore, no one is equal...

Don't get me wrong, perusing equal rights is all well and good, but it's just another worthless thing that goes against our nature. Not all males are equal, or females as well. It goes deeper than just race, sex, species, etc.

Though...when it comes down to it, rights should be taken, not given in all honesty, it means so much less when it's given, and when it's given it can easily be taken away. Where as if you take it, it's yours til you die.

sorry about the OT rant, just had to throw that out there.

I keep re-reading this, hoping against hope that it is satirical. I want reparations from Nietzsche for inspiring so much bad rhetoric and even worse grammar.

I am so sorry you can't actually combat the argument, to where all you can do is attack my grammar.

[Folk Metals]

Folk Metals, knock off the name calling. You seem to have missed reading the One-stop Rules Shop about acceptable forum behavior, I recommend that you go take a look at it.

Oh c'mon. Did you even read the post?

And sarcastic Mods? o.O

Just get rid of "moron" and all will be good.

Wait, really?

I thought it was the "racist" part that got me in trouble.

Yup, I did read it, but it is well within the rules of NSG. And no, it wasn't racist that got you in trouble. If we start tossing warnings around for THAT... we'd be here for weeks going through all the posts. The moron however...

And trust me, I get very sarcastic when annoyed, and just wait till you cross Melkor. No one does sarcasm like the Dark Lord.

lol, true I suppose

And I'll look out for him I guess xD
I edited it, though in a semi-sarcastic manner. Still against rules, or is it good now?

How about just leaving it at racist and letting it go at that? The name of the game is to attack the post and position, not cast doubt on the poster's intelligence.

Fair enough. But in the words of the late great Micheal Jackson, "racism is ignorant." x3

[Sitspot]

No one is equal, in intellect, abilities, etc.

Therefore, no one is equal...

Don't get me wrong, perusing equal rights is all well and good, but it's just another worthless thing that goes against our nature. Not all males are equal, or females as well. It goes deeper than just race, sex, species, etc.

Though...when it comes down to it, rights should be taken, not given in all honesty, it means so much less when it's given, and when it's given it can easily be taken away. Where as if you take it, it's yours til you die.

sorry about the OT rant, just had to throw that out there.

I keep re-reading this, hoping against hope that it is satirical. I want reparations from Nietzsche for inspiring so much bad rhetoric and even worse grammar.

I am so sorry you can't actually combat the argument, to where all you can do is attack my grammar.

So you believe in a system in which no young child would have any rights, because they aren't strong or clever enough to 'take them'. Pedophiles will certainly be voting for you as President.

[Lackadaisical2]

i don't feel like paging through the whole thing, but i assume this has all been about slavery, to the exclusion of, say, the decades of theft and murder that happened after. i mean, it's rarely remarked on but clearly true that significant amounts of land were flat-out stolen from black farmers well into the middle of the 20th century - to say nothing of the tulsa-style events specifically engineered to destroy the black middle and upper classes by burning down their businesses, stealing their property, and outright killing them.

any look into the records (provided they weren't deliberately destroyed, of course) is going to wind up with people who are still living that by all rights are owed millions by various government bodies and insurance companies and identifiable individuals.

wow, that's a good point, FS. i mean, there are people still alive who literally were run off of their land or had their parents' businesses seized by terrorists operating with the approval of various branches of the government. i'm pretty sure we should really look into doing something about this...

I couldn't be bothered to page through the 200 or so posts since the last time I posted in the thread so I missed your post. Anyway, someone did bring up the ensuing government supported racism, although in terms not as moving as your own post. My response is that if wrongdoing can be proved, then give them back what they are owed, as with anyone else who was wronged.

Agreed, if you are still living, and legitimately have been wronged, the people who wronged you should pay....

Its things like these which I feel, really shouldn't even need to be said.

[Folk Metals]

No one is equal, in intellect, abilities, etc.

Therefore, no one is equal...

Don't get me wrong, perusing equal rights is all well and good, but it's just another worthless thing that goes against our nature. Not all males are equal, or females as well. It goes deeper than just race, sex, species, etc.

Though...when it comes down to it, rights should be taken, not given in all honesty, it means so much less when it's given, and when it's given it can easily be taken away. Where as if you take it, it's yours til you die.

sorry about the OT rant, just had to throw that out there.

I keep re-reading this, hoping against hope that it is satirical. I want reparations from Nietzsche for inspiring so much bad rhetoric and even worse grammar.

I am so sorry you can't actually combat the argument, to where all you can do is attack my grammar.

So you believe in a system in which no young child would have any rights, because they aren't strong or clever enough to 'take them'. Pedophiles will certainly be voting for you as President.

Pedophiles voted for Obama for president, and Bush, and all presidents. Your point?

And if you're one of those who believe you are "born with rights" then I'm not going any further with you. It's just silly.

As a child you have no rights anyway, nor as a teen. It isn't until you are a adult that the government sees you as a citizen with rights.
This is why we are FORCED to go to school. And why kids are FORCED to stay or, or be faced with police trying to find you and take you back home.

There are many more examples to combat your statement.

[Indecline]

Reparations is such a broad term..
I don't think a handout is what is needed here.

[Free Soviets]

im black and my ancestors fought on the side of the confederacy.

not your black ancestors

[Jocabia]

i don't feel like paging through the whole thing, but i assume this has all been about slavery, to the exclusion of, say, the decades of theft and murder that happened after. i mean, it's rarely remarked on but clearly true that significant amounts of land were flat-out stolen from black farmers well into the middle of the 20th century - to say nothing of the tulsa-style events specifically engineered to destroy the black middle and upper classes by burning down their businesses, stealing their property, and outright killing them.

any look into the records (provided they weren't deliberately destroyed, of course) is going to wind up with people who are still living that by all rights are owed millions by various government bodies and insurance companies and identifiable individuals.

wow, that's a good point, FS. i mean, there are people still alive who literally were run off of their land or had their parents' businesses seized by terrorists operating with the approval of various branches of the government. i'm pretty sure we should really look into doing something about this...

I think this is what people cannot get. As a class, white people start with more power. Families are given preferrential treatment because their parents and their parents and their parents... went there. Money is passed down from parents to children. While white people were accumulating wealth the government, the current government of the US was committing crimes against minorities and the entire voting population that supported that government was complicit.

Some people are saying this should solely be an issue for those who were direct victims, but if my grandparents were robbed of the opportunity to build wealth, wealth that I would have acquired like so many others had the opportunity to do, then they just as clearly stole from me.

Do I think that reperations is the answer? No. But I also KNOW that we cannot pretend that if you were not alive at the time, you could not have been wronged. The indirect wrongs of the power we took and continue to take from the black population in the US is evident.

[The Southron Nation]

im black and my ancestors fought on the side of the confederacy.

not your black ancestors

actually, yes, they were my black ancestors. believe it or not, but tens of thousands of black southroners fought for their homes just as hard as the white soldiers did.

[Free Soviets]

Agreed, if you are still living, and legitimately have been wronged, the people who wronged you should pay....

Its things like these which I feel, really shouldn't even need to be said.

indeed. but there has been little organized effort to arrange it, and the barriers for the victims and their families to get the ball rolling themselves are high.

[Jocabia]

Pedophiles voted for Obama for president, and Bush, and all presidents. Your point?

And if you're one of those who believe you are "born with rights" then I'm not going any further with you. It's just silly.

As a child you have no rights anyway, nor as a teen. It isn't until you are a adult that the government sees you as a citizen with rights.
This is why we are FORCED to go to school. And why kids are FORCED to stay or, or be faced with police trying to find you and take you back home.

There are many more examples to combat your statement.

Almost every word of this is false. You have rights from birth in this government and most Western governments. You are "forced" to go to school, because children aren't believed to have full competency. That is not the same as not having rights. It's precisely the idea of the rights of children that keep me from exploiting them in the workforce, denying them education or committing sex acts against them.

What you argue for is "might makes right" which positions children in a much worse place in society as well as most people in general.

[Sitspot]

As a child you have no rights anyway, nor as a teen.

So you definitely believe in a system where children have no rights to be free from abuse or molestation. Like I said in my first post, I keep hoping this is just bad satire on your part.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

im black and my ancestors fought on the side of the confederacy.

not your black ancestors

google it, i got this
http://www.civilwarhome.com/blackhorsetroop.htm
and several other links to a few other black troops and regiments (few in number but still existed apparently if these links are to be trusted)
caught me by surprise too.

and this
http://www.civilwarhome.com/blacks.htm
and
http://www.civilwarhistory.com/_/blacks ... rates2.htm
and
http://www.forrestsescort.org/blacks.htm

[Free Soviets]

actually, yes, they were my black ancestors. believe it or not, but tens of thousands of black southroners fought for their homes just as hard as the white soldiers did.

no, they didn't. seriously. the confederacy didn't allow it - didn't even seriously entertain the idea until it was too late to implement. the best you'll get is the louisiana native guard, who only saw action when they switched sides.

[Jocabia]

im black and my ancestors fought on the side of the confederacy.

not your black ancestors

actually, yes, they were my black ancestors. believe it or not, but tens of thousands of black southroners fought for their homes just as hard as the white soldiers did.

http://www.forrestsescort.org/blacks.htm

[Folk Metals]

As a child you have no rights anyway, nor as a teen.

So you definitely believe in a system where children have no rights to be free from abuse or molestation. Like I said in my first post, I keep hoping this is just bad satire on your part.

That's just how it is.
The reason people are punished for such acts is because of laws in place because people find it immoral and it hurts the kid.
Is this a right the kid has? No. The kid can not bring a lawsuit up against the perpetrator. They have to find an adult to do it for them.
That's where your argument falls short.

I also love how you cut out the meat of the argument where I make you look silly in every post.

[Jocabia]

As a child you have no rights anyway, nor as a teen.

So you definitely believe in a system where children have no rights to be free from abuse or molestation. Like I said in my first post, I keep hoping this is just bad satire on your part.

That's just how it is.
The reason people are punished for such acts is because of laws in place because people find it immoral and it hurts the kid.
Is this a right the kid has? No. The kid can not bring a lawsuit up against the perpetrator. They have to find an adult to do it for them.
That's where your argument falls short.

I also love how you cut out the meat of the argument where I make you look silly in every post.

No, that's where your argument falls short. The inability of a child to make adult decisions is not equal to a lack of rights. If I were to lapse into a coma or to fall unconscious, I could not excercise my rights. Do they cease to exist?

There are people in a position to make reasonable decisions on my behalf during the time that I am unable to do so for myself. This is true for any reason of incompetence and is not limited to children.

[Folk Metals]

Pedophiles voted for Obama for president, and Bush, and all presidents. Your point?

And if you're one of those who believe you are "born with rights" then I'm not going any further with you. It's just silly.

As a child you have no rights anyway, nor as a teen. It isn't until you are a adult that the government sees you as a citizen with rights.
This is why we are FORCED to go to school. And why kids are FORCED to stay or, or be faced with police trying to find you and take you back home.

There are many more examples to combat your statement.

Almost every word of this is false. You have rights from birth in this government and most Western governments. You are "forced" to go to school, because children aren't believed to have full competency. That is not the same as not having rights. It's precisely the idea of the rights of children that keep me from exploiting them in the workforce, denying them education or committing sex acts against them.

What you argue for is "might makes right" which positions children in a much worse place in society as well as most people in general.

Whether they are believed to have competency doesn't make it force none the less.
And those aren't rights.
saying some kid can't be forced to work isn't a right. A right would be that the kid could make a choice to, or not to work.

Personally, I would have loved to have started working at a younger age than 16 like it is here. That would have been a right.

In fact, what you stated is equally taking away rights from, not only the business, but the child as well by not allowing him to employ in a place of business.

"might makes right" has an always will be true to some degree, whether your morals allows you to see it or not.

[Sitspot]

As a child you have no rights anyway, nor as a teen.

So you definitely believe in a system where children have no rights to be free from abuse or molestation. Like I said in my first post, I keep hoping this is just bad satire on your part.

That's just how it is.
The reason people are punished for such acts is because of laws in place because people find it immoral and it hurts the kid.
Is this a right the kid has? No. The kid can not bring a lawsuit up against the perpetrator. They have to find an adult to do it for them.
That's where your argument falls short.

I also love how you cut out the meat of the argument where I make you look silly in every post.

My how silly I look. Mercy me!
So by the same logic it was perfectly ok to keep blacks as slaves because they weren't strong enough to "take their right" to freedom?

[Folk Metals]

As a child you have no rights anyway, nor as a teen.

So you definitely believe in a system where children have no rights to be free from abuse or molestation. Like I said in my first post, I keep hoping this is just bad satire on your part.

That's just how it is.
The reason people are punished for such acts is because of laws in place because people find it immoral and it hurts the kid.
Is this a right the kid has? No. The kid can not bring a lawsuit up against the perpetrator. They have to find an adult to do it for them.
That's where your argument falls short.

I also love how you cut out the meat of the argument where I make you look silly in every post.

No, that's where your argument falls short. The inability of a child to make adult decisions is not equal to a lack of rights. If I were to lapse into a coma or to fall unconscious, I could not excercise my rights. Do they cease to exist?

There are people in a position to make reasonable decisions on my behalf during the time that I am unable to do so for myself. This is true for any reason of incompetence and is not limited to children.

That just means your rights are passed on to the other person.
So yes, in a way you don't have them anymore.

Rights are all a part of the human psyche to start. It is a fictional thing that the government entertains to pander to us.

A true right would be something that can not be taken away.

Where as, everything could be taken away from you, whether you think so or not.

Hell, they took our main right away a long time ago. The right to die.

[Blouman Empire]

The blacks are put in jail for no reason cause of our race http://www.itsabouttimebpp.com/Announcements/pdf/15_year_old_girl_gets_seven_years.pdf

In Paris, Texas , last year, a 14-year-old White girl burns down
her family's home. Her punishment? Probation. In the same town three months later,
a 15-year-old Black girl, Shaquanda Cotton, is sentenced to seven years in prison for
pushing a hall monitor at her high school.

It is very easy to talk about racism but when we aren't given any details on either of the two cases involved it is a bit harder to cry racism. And it says so right there why she was put in jail it wasn't for no reason.

[Folk Metals]

As a child you have no rights anyway, nor as a teen.

So you definitely believe in a system where children have no rights to be free from abuse or molestation. Like I said in my first post, I keep hoping this is just bad satire on your part.

That's just how it is.
The reason people are punished for such acts is because of laws in place because people find it immoral and it hurts the kid.
Is this a right the kid has? No. The kid can not bring a lawsuit up against the perpetrator. They have to find an adult to do it for them.
That's where your argument falls short.

I also love how you cut out the meat of the argument where I make you look silly in every post.

My how silly I look. Mercy me!
So by the same logic it was perfectly ok to keep blacks as slaves because they weren't strong enough to "take their right" to freedom?

They did take their rights.
How do you fail to see that? Seriously?
They had protests, sit ins, some killed people.

If you don't know that much about history, then I feel nothing but sorry for you. :|

[Jocabia]

Pedophiles voted for Obama for president, and Bush, and all presidents. Your point?

And if you're one of those who believe you are "born with rights" then I'm not going any further with you. It's just silly.

As a child you have no rights anyway, nor as a teen. It isn't until you are a adult that the government sees you as a citizen with rights.
This is why we are FORCED to go to school. And why kids are FORCED to stay or, or be faced with police trying to find you and take you back home.

There are many more examples to combat your statement.

Almost every word of this is false. You have rights from birth in this government and most Western governments. You are "forced" to go to school, because children aren't believed to have full competency. That is not the same as not having rights. It's precisely the idea of the rights of children that keep me from exploiting them in the workforce, denying them education or committing sex acts against them.

What you argue for is "might makes right" which positions children in a much worse place in society as well as most people in general.

Whether they are believed to have competency doesn't make it force none the less.
And those aren't rights.
saying some kid can't be forced to work isn't a right. A right would be that the kid could make a choice to, or not to work.

Personally, I would have loved to have started working at a younger age than 16 like it is here. That would have been a right.

In fact, what you stated is equally taking away rights from, not only the business, but the child as well by not allowing him to employ in a place of business.

"might makes right" has an always will be true to some degree, whether your morals allows you to see it or not.

Saying some kid can't be forced to work is recognition of a right. The state recognizes, rightfully, that your brain is not yet fully formed. That's not an opinion. It's a fact. They also recognize that there is a value to you, and thus to society, that you are educated both for civil reasons (about the government and voting and such) and for economic reasons (with things like math, english and whatnot). Until you are old enough to be make informed decisions, those decision are made for you by people with your interests at heart. They are there to protect your rights during those times you cannot.

Having no rules is not recognition of a right. It's the opposite. Without the rule of law, there would be nothing to prevent your exploitation.

Also, just a tip, don't try arguments like "whether your morals allows you to see it or not." They're a copout. We know you're a little overmatched. You know you're a little overmatched. That doesn't excuse copout arguments. That's not your first. How about you make it your last, huh?

[Sitspot]

As a child you have no rights anyway, nor as a teen.

So you definitely believe in a system where children have no rights to be free from abuse or molestation. Like I said in my first post, I keep hoping this is just bad satire on your part.

That's just how it is.
The reason people are punished for such acts is because of laws in place because people find it immoral and it hurts the kid.
Is this a right the kid has? No. The kid can not bring a lawsuit up against the perpetrator. They have to find an adult to do it for them.
That's where your argument falls short.

I also love how you cut out the meat of the argument where I make you look silly in every post.

My how silly I look. Mercy me!
So by the same logic it was perfectly ok to keep blacks as slaves because they weren't strong enough to "take their right" to freedom?

They did take their rights.
How do you fail to see that? Seriously?
They had protests, sit ins, some killed people.

If you don't know that much about history, then I feel nothing but sorry for you. :|

But before they "took those rights" slavery was ok?

[Jocabia]

That just means your rights are passed on to the other person.
So yes, in a way you don't have them anymore.

Rights are all a part of the human psyche to start. It is a fictional thing that the government entertains to pander to us.

A true right would be something that can not be taken away.

Where as, everything could be taken away from you, whether you think so or not.

Hell, they took our main right away a long time ago. The right to die.

No, it doesn't mean your rights were passed on to someone else. They don't have the right to do with you as they please. They are required to act in your interest. It is for this very reason that a caretaker cannot have sex with a child.

You also contradict yourself in your third and fourth paragraph. Take your time. You can do better than this.