No apologies needed

[Grave_n_idle]

But the question is - does NSG think that the rights of the parent and child to travel supercede the rights of the other passengers to have a quiet flight? Especially considering how uncomfortable flying has become - unless you go first class.

There is no right for passengers to have a quiet flight. People with screaming brats might need to fly, too.

[Fartsniffage]

[quote="Grave_n_idle";p="866549"There is no right for passengers to have a quiet flight. People with screaming brats might need to fly, too.[/quote]

There is a right to fly without being assaulted though. How many pissed of kids kick the backs of chairs?

That's my personal bug bear, noisy kids don't bother me but kids having a tantrum behind my seat really do.

[The Movie of the Book]

If there was an airline that had a policy of only allowing adults on board, I would fly with them 100% of the time.

Similarily, if there were non-porn theatres that had showings of movies where kids weren't allowed, I'd go out to the cinema roughly 500% more often than I do.

[Grave_n_idle]

[quote="Grave_n_idle";p="866549"There is no right for passengers to have a quiet flight. People with screaming brats might need to fly, too.

There is a right to fly without being assaulted though. How many pissed of kids kick the backs of chairs?

That's my personal bug bear, noisy kids don't bother me but kids having a tantrum behind my seat really do.[/quote]

And what would you advocate, instead?

That kid could be kicking your chair because his temperature is 104, and he's just this side of seizure. He's flying because he's on his way to receive treatment.

You being grumpy about it doesn't fix the kid.


I'm not a big fan of bratty kids. I'm not a big fan of other people being judgemental about bratty kids, either, though.

In my experience of flying - which isn't prodigious, numbering maybe a dozen flights - I've encountered precisely one child bumping seats. He was bumping my wife's seat, and I asked him to stop, and he did. Getting angry at the kid, or at the parents, doesn't fix anything. In some cases, it just gets you a quite ride, and leaves a mom and an infant looking for somewhere they can stay overnight.

[Grave_n_idle]

If there was an airline that had a policy of only allowing adults on board, I would fly with them 100% of the time.

Similarily, if there were non-porn theatres that had showings of movies where kids weren't allowed, I'd go out to the cinema roughly 500% more often than I do.

Meh. Kids at the theatre don't bother me. It's other adults chatting through the feature, or laughing-too-loud-to-show-how-unscared-they-are, or talking on their cellphones - those are the things that bug me.

[Vault 10]

I've flown with crying, screaming brats. Even on a short flight, it's enough to turn a calm, nurturing grandmotherly type into a fire-eyed, raving maniac. My feeling is if the kid can't keep quiet, he/she shouldn't be on the plane. [...]
But the question is - does NSG think that the rights of the parent and child to travel supercede the rights of the other passengers to have a quiet flight?

Distribute free ball gags.

Problem solved.

[/thread]

[Grave_n_idle]

I've flown with crying, screaming brats. Even on a short flight, it's enough to turn a calm, nurturing grandmotherly type into a fire-eyed, raving maniac. My feeling is if the kid can't keep quiet, he/she shouldn't be on the plane. [...]
But the question is - does NSG think that the rights of the parent and child to travel supercede the rights of the other passengers to have a quiet flight?

Distribute free ball gags.

Problem solved.

[/thread]

It's a pity we don't have a similar technology for keyboards.

[Fartsniffage]

And what would you advocate, instead?

That kid could be kicking your chair because his temperature is 104, and he's just this side of seizure. He's flying because he's on his way to receive treatment.

You being grumpy about it doesn't fix the kid.


I'm not a big fan of bratty kids. I'm not a big fan of other people being judgemental about bratty kids, either, though.

In my experience of flying - which isn't prodigious, numbering maybe a dozen flights - I've encountered precisely one child bumping seats. He was bumping my wife's seat, and I asked him to stop, and he did. Getting angry at the kid, or at the parents, doesn't fix anything. In some cases, it just gets you a quite ride, and leaves a mom and an infant looking for somewhere they can stay overnight.

I would advocate the parent and child are removed from the flight, regardless of altitude.

My experience of kids kicking chairs is 4 off the top of my head. One involved me telling the kid to stop and the parent apoligising and then stopping the child to the best of their ability, this I have no problem with, the other 3 involved me telling the kid to stop and my recieving a mouthful from the parent.

[NERVUN]

Kids under 5 should not be allowed on a plane, period.

If a parent can not or WILL not control a child, that child has no business being outside the house.

When a little kid seemingly can't or won't keep from touching you or he throws a set of keys that hits you, any penchant you may have for patience goes out the window.

Oh yeah, that'll work. It's not like I might not have any reason whatsoever to return to the US with my son for the next three years. No sudden tragedy, no death in the family, no need or want to see family or friends, no chance that something might happen that requires my presence back in the States. Nothing at all could POSSIBLY happen before my son turns five that would require me and my family to fly home from Japan to the US. No, nothing at all.

[Fartsniffage]

Oh yeah, that'll work. It's not like I might not have any reason whatsoever to return to the US with my son for the next three years. No sudden tragedy, no death in the family, no need or want to see family or friends, no chance that something might happen that requires my presence back in the States. Nothing at all could POSSIBLY happen before my son turns five that would require me and my family to fly home from Japan to the US. No, nothing at all.

Send the kid freight.

[Daistallia 2104]

This woman should have slapped her kid upside that head. That way, instead of being kicked off the plane, she'd be under arrest for child abuse.

What the fuck do you want her to do?

Close her fanny till she can control what pops out of it

What just happened? Did he lose the freaking game?!

Probabaly a bit of confusion over the term "fanny". It has rather different meanings depending on the dialect. In NA dialects fanny refers to the buttocks, while in most others it's usually a vulgar term for the vulva, but in this context, mouth.

[Aveasta]

Personally I found a good way to keep kids quiet on planes, if you're sitting next to 'em, is to smile at them.

Unless of course you're ugly.

[Grave_n_idle]

I would advocate the parent and child are removed from the flight, regardless of altitude.

Some would say that's a bad attitude to have.

My experience of kids kicking chairs is 4 off the top of my head. One involved me telling the kid to stop and the parent apoligising and then stopping the child to the best of their ability, this I have no problem with, the other 3 involved me telling the kid to stop and my recieving a mouthful from the parent.

You 'told' the parents, and you 'told' the kid?

Some would say the problem isn't the kid OR the parents.

[Skibereen]

as far as I'm concerned. No compensation, either - other than refunding the cost of the ticket.

I've flown with crying, screaming brats.

You sound like one.

Even on a short flight, it's enough to turn a calm, nurturing grandmotherly type into a fire-eyed, raving maniac.

What is a "grandmotherly" type? Someone who failed at accomplishing a family group but still wants to be given some platitude as a lonely old codger?

My feeling is if the kid can't keep quiet, he/she shouldn't be on the plane.

What about people with chronic gas due to colitis? Women who dont ever shut up about what everyone else's problems are? Just curious since you seem to know how soceity in its full dynamic should function..which it would seem whatever is most comfortable for you. As it appears women who have choosen the most vaunted and important profession of all(Motherhood) should be denied the right of free movement in this country or the world because your a bitch.

It's distracting at best and infuriating at worst, it distracts the flight crew, it irritates the other passengers and, I would hope, is embarassing to the parent(s).

Distracting from WHAT? Are you flying the plane from your tray table? Buy the headphones you cow and mind your own business.
Distracting the Flight Crew? was the child seated in the cock pit? Or was flight attendant aiding child and so you didnt get your peanuts and pillow fast enough?
Ah, so because you are irratable and obviously lacking in genuine empathy you feel others should be suffering emotional distress because you cant handle the sound of a crying child...very mature.

I'm sure there are things that can be done to keep the kids under control - ranging from explaining appropriate behavior to the more intelligent ones to making sure that they aren't hungry or tired to sedation.

Well, then I guess you shouldve helped if that damned distressing Doctor Spock, sometimes kids are just frightened...or obnoxious and irritable of which you should be entirely sensitive to. Great so for your comfort people should drug their children...just exactly how self centered are you? The world would fecking stop if you fell over dead wouldnt it.

But the question is - does NSG think that the rights of the parent and child to travel supercede the rights of the other passengers to have a quiet flight? Especially considering how uncomfortable flying has become - unless you go first class.

I got news for you your rights to travel werent violated. Perhaps we should screen for ugly people, and body odor, anything else that bothers you so we can deny rights to people because it makes you uncomfortable...you dont have a right to be comfortable--rent a car, or learn to fly your damned self.

Wretched fecking people on this board.

[Saint Jade IV]

I get really mad at the parents who don't control their children and feel that they have a right to make everyone else's flight/meal/movie/travel uncomfortable. As a child, my mother was frequently complimented on my behaviour, as I read my book quietly or slept from when we started til we stopped. At restaurants, if my behaviour was out of line, my mother or father took me home, or sat in the car with me until the meal was over and then took me home.

I don't see why it is so difficult to get children to behave on flights or in restaurants or on long distance travel. Naturally, there are circumstances where children are going to misbehave - illness and the like. But I find it difficult to believe that every single one of the unruly, bratty children that I have encountered falls into the category of serious illness or other problems. Most of the time, I find that the parents simply refuse to control their children.

[Derscon]

The airline is a private institution. It is within its rights to kick off any passenger from the airplane for any reason, if it refunds the passenger the cost of their ticket afterwards (according to law). If you're not happy about getting kicked off, you can choose to fly with a different airline next time.

This, of course. This "right to travel" shit is silly.

[Derscon]

If there was an airline that had a policy of only allowing adults on board, I would fly with them 100% of the time.

I sense a business opportunity...

[NERVUN]

My feeling is if the kid can't keep quiet, he/she shouldn't be on the plane.

What about people with chronic gas due to colitis? Women who dont ever shut up about what everyone else's problems are? Just curious since you seem to know how soceity in its full dynamic should function..which it would seem whatever is most comfortable for you. As it appears women who have choosen the most vaunted and important profession of all(Motherhood) should be denied the right of free movement in this country or the world because your a bitch.

Skibereen, watch the personal attacks. You might be upset with ASD's position, but that does not give you an excuse to use abusive language.

[Derscon]

My feeling is if the kid can't keep quiet, he/she shouldn't be on the plane.

What about people with chronic gas due to colitis? Women who dont ever shut up about what everyone else's problems are? Just curious since you seem to know how soceity in its full dynamic should function..which it would seem whatever is most comfortable for you. As it appears women who have choosen the most vaunted and important profession of all(Motherhood) should be denied the right of free movement in this country or the world because your a bitch.

Skibereen, watch the personal attacks. You might be upset with ASD's position, but that does not give you an excuse to use abusive language.

Nor should we tolerate the wrong use of "you're." That's far more reprehensible.

Also, replace travel with healthcare and I see this thread turning lulzy.

[Derscon]

What about people with chronic gas due to colitis? Women who dont ever shut up about what everyone else's problems are? Just curious since you seem to know how soceity in its full dynamic should function..which it would seem whatever is most comfortable for you. As it appears women who have choosen the most vaunted and important profession of all(Motherhood) should be denied the right of free movement in this country or the world because your a bitch.

What is this "right to free movement" shit?" The corporations have no obligation to provide you this service. They are doing it on their on volition because they saw a profit. Or are you seriously saying it's justified to hold the CEO at gunpoint and say "YOU WILL FORM AN AIRLINE COMPANY?" They are providing a privately provided service in the market (ignoring the massive amount of regulations and control by the state, of course) that they have no obligation to give you.

If you disagree, I need a box of oreos, and if you have them, you have an obligation to give them to me.

[Vault 10]

Perhaps we should screen for ugly people, and body odor, anything else that bothers you

I would fly it.

If I pass of course, I'm not model pretty, but no hard feelings if I don't; who am I to deny the model pretty people the right of having an airline for model pretty people only.

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

I've flown with crying, screaming brats. Even on a short flight, it's enough to turn a calm, nurturing grandmotherly type into a fire-eyed, raving maniac. My feeling is if the kid can't keep quiet, he/she shouldn't be on the plane. [...]
But the question is - does NSG think that the rights of the parent and child to travel supercede the rights of the other passengers to have a quiet flight?

Distribute free ball gags.

Problem solved.

[/thread]

It's a pity we don't have a similar technology for keyboards.

Oh, I know! Do what Strongbad would do!

*issues boxing gloves*

[NERVUN]

I get really mad at the parents who don't control their children and feel that they have a right to make everyone else's flight/meal/movie/travel uncomfortable. As a child, my mother was frequently complimented on my behaviour, as I read my book quietly or slept from when we started til we stopped. At restaurants, if my behaviour was out of line, my mother or father took me home, or sat in the car with me until the meal was over and then took me home.

I don't see why it is so difficult to get children to behave on flights or in restaurants or on long distance travel. Naturally, there are circumstances where children are going to misbehave - illness and the like. But I find it difficult to believe that every single one of the unruly, bratty children that I have encountered falls into the category of serious illness or other problems. Most of the time, I find that the parents simply refuse to control their children.

Because each child has a different personality and for some children, asking them to stay quiet on a long flight is next to impossible.

Yes, parents do need to control children, but young children sometimes just cannot sit still quietly and there is nothing short of physical violence that can make them do so. Since I refuse to beat my son for your comfort, I'm going to have to ask for your understanding when he wants to talk about airplanes or trains or gets cranky because he doesn't understand yet why he cannot run on an airplane.

[Derscon]

I get really mad at the parents who don't control their children and feel that they have a right to make everyone else's flight/meal/movie/travel uncomfortable. As a child, my mother was frequently complimented on my behaviour, as I read my book quietly or slept from when we started til we stopped. At restaurants, if my behaviour was out of line, my mother or father took me home, or sat in the car with me until the meal was over and then took me home.

I don't see why it is so difficult to get children to behave on flights or in restaurants or on long distance travel. Naturally, there are circumstances where children are going to misbehave - illness and the like. But I find it difficult to believe that every single one of the unruly, bratty children that I have encountered falls into the category of serious illness or other problems. Most of the time, I find that the parents simply refuse to control their children.

Because each child has a different personality and for some children, asking them to stay quiet on a long flight is next to impossible.

Yes, parents do need to control children, but young children sometimes just cannot sit still quietly and there is nothing short of physical violence that can make them do so. Since I refuse to beat my son for your comfort, I'm going to have to ask for your understanding when he wants to talk about airplanes or trains or gets cranky because he doesn't understand yet why he cannot run on an airplane.

Well, I won't beat your child in the face with a bat, but you'll have to excuse me if I still hate the little shit for not shutting the hell up during a 3 hour flight.

[Peisandros]

Must be about time to cull some children.