No apologies needed

[Ryadn]

I personally absolutely HATE little children, they are usally unbehaved and hyperactive and I think the little -censored- deserved to get kicked off.

And you never were a little child!

Small children have as much right to travel as you do. Not everyone on a long flight is going to behave in a manner that everyone else condones. Such is the variety of humankind. Why are the young kids being singled out here? There are obnoxious adults, intransigent geriatrics, and unbearable adolescents as well on most long haul flights. Unfortunately we can not, and should not, make everyone behave according to our personal values - so we just have to put up with the annoyance.

If it is a short flight then just get over it already

If an adult screamed all through the safety lecture, they'd remove him/her from the plane. So young kids aren't being singled out for punishment---they're being given privileges no one else has.

[Northwest Slobovia]

Unless you specify no children on planes, you, as an airline have to put up with it...

Well, it looks like a simple solution exists...

Well, from a business perspective, all those family vacations you've denied would get rather costly, so I doubt theyd actually do it...which was the point, of course,

Well, they could just designate "screaming kids" and "no screaming kids" flights like restaurants did/do before public indoor smoking was/should be outlawed. (Not that I have any bias, y'see. )

[Azzers]

I personally absolutely HATE little children, they are usally unbehaved and hyperactive and I think the little -censored- deserved to get kicked off.

And you never were a little child!

Small children have as much right to travel as you do. Not everyone on a long flight is going to behave in a manner that everyone else condones. Such is the variety of humankind. Why are the young kids being singled out here? There are obnoxious adults, intransigent geriatrics, and unbearable adolescents as well on most long haul flights. Unfortunately we can not, and should not, make everyone behave according to our personal values - so we just have to put up with the annoyance.

If it is a short flight then just get over it already

Maybe people are focusing on kids, because you know, its the topic. Anyway, you can't just get over it if the plane CAN NOT take off because some little brat won't shut up. Most kids are far better behaved than that. Also, whats all this, "right to travel" BS. I never knew anyone had a fucking RIGHT to travel. Fuck that, you have as much right to travel as your legs can carry you, beyond that, you better have some cash and follow the rules.

I couldn't have put it better myself

[Maurepas]

I personally absolutely HATE little children, they are usally unbehaved and hyperactive and I think the little -censored- deserved to get kicked off.

And you never were a little child!

Small children have as much right to travel as you do. Not everyone on a long flight is going to behave in a manner that everyone else condones. Such is the variety of humankind. Why are the young kids being singled out here? There are obnoxious adults, intransigent geriatrics, and unbearable adolescents as well on most long haul flights. Unfortunately we can not, and should not, make everyone behave according to our personal values - so we just have to put up with the annoyance.

If it is a short flight then just get over it already

If an adult screamed all through the safety lecture, they'd remove him/her from the plane. So young kids aren't being singled out for punishment---they're being given privileges no one else has.

Well, Id think when youre 2 you kind of need some,

[Nation of Quebec]

I have to side with the airline on this one. The airline is well within its rights to kick off any unruly passenger regardless if that passenger is some obnoxious drunk or some loud and whiny kid who won't shut the hell up. The rest of the passengers shouldn't have their flights disrupted because some parent can't keep her kid to shut up.

The airline is a private institution. It is within its rights to kick off any passenger from the airplane for any reason, if it refunds the passenger the cost of their ticket afterwards (according to law). If you're not happy about getting kicked off, you can choose to fly with a different airline next time.

^^ So basically this.

[Czardas]

I personally absolutely HATE little children, they are usally unbehaved and hyperactive and I think the little -censored- deserved to get kicked off.

And you never were a little child!

Small children have as much right to travel as you do. Not everyone on a long flight is going to behave in a manner that everyone else condones. Such is the variety of humankind. Why are the young kids being singled out here? There are obnoxious adults, intransigent geriatrics, and unbearable adolescents as well on most long haul flights. Unfortunately we can not, and should not, make everyone behave according to our personal values - so we just have to put up with the annoyance.

If it is a short flight then just get over it already

Maybe people are focusing on kids, because you know, its the topic. Anyway, you can't just get over it if the plane CAN NOT take off because some little brat won't shut up. Most kids are far better behaved than that. Also, whats all this, "right to travel" BS. I never knew anyone had a fucking RIGHT to travel. Fuck that, you have as much right to travel as your legs can carry you, beyond that, you better have some cash and follow the rules.

Yeah. An airline is not actually legally obliged to carry you somewhere. They can kick you off the plane for almost any reason they like.*

* Although laws prevent them from discriminating on the basis of skin colour, sex, sexual orientation, religion, ethnicity, disability status, and a few other things.

[Macindia]

^ Wouldn't age be one of those things?

[Lackadaisical2]

^ Wouldn't age be one of those things?

except no airline I'm aware of does kick people off due to age. This child was removed due to him interrupting the schedule of the flight.

[Czardas]

I personally absolutely HATE little children, they are usally unbehaved and hyperactive and I think the little -censored- deserved to get kicked off.

And you never were a little child!

Small children have as much right to travel as you do. Not everyone on a long flight is going to behave in a manner that everyone else condones. Such is the variety of humankind. Why are the young kids being singled out here? There are obnoxious adults, intransigent geriatrics, and unbearable adolescents as well on most long haul flights. Unfortunately we can not, and should not, make everyone behave according to our personal values - so we just have to put up with the annoyance.

If it is a short flight then just get over it already

Well to be honest I am grateful to my parents, god knows how they put up with me, I was a little shit like all little kids, speaking of adolescents, I don't know, nor do I care, but I behave on every single flight, sitting there quietly listening to my music.

As an infant and toddler I was very quiet and well-behaved on airplanes and almost everywhere else for that matter, which was good, because I traveled on them a lot. (In fact, my parents have told me I scarcely cried at all as a baby -- and I do know for a fact that I've done it only very infrequently since the birth of consciousness around the age of three, maybe twice or thrice a year up 'til the age of ten or eleven, and not at all that I can remember since then.)

[The Beautiful Darkness]

If it is a short flight then just get over it already

And if it's not?

[Czardas]

^ Wouldn't age be one of those things?

Yeah. However, the kid was kicked off for being disruptive, not for being young. They also would have kicked a disruptive adult off the airplane.

Southwest Airlines isn't the one proposing that we ban kids under five from airplanes, anyway -- that's some NSG poster. :P

[Ryadn]

I personally absolutely HATE little children, they are usally unbehaved and hyperactive and I think the little -censored- deserved to get kicked off.

And you never were a little child!

Small children have as much right to travel as you do. Not everyone on a long flight is going to behave in a manner that everyone else condones. Such is the variety of humankind. Why are the young kids being singled out here? There are obnoxious adults, intransigent geriatrics, and unbearable adolescents as well on most long haul flights. Unfortunately we can not, and should not, make everyone behave according to our personal values - so we just have to put up with the annoyance.

If it is a short flight then just get over it already

If an adult screamed all through the safety lecture, they'd remove him/her from the plane. So young kids aren't being singled out for punishment---they're being given privileges no one else has.

Well, Id think when youre 2 you kind of need some,

I might argue that. Parents may have responsibilities enforced by law, but many of those responsibilities to their children are really just intercessory methods of providing children with those things they will be able to do for themselves as adults. That's not really an "extra" privilege.

[Maurepas]

^ Wouldn't age be one of those things?

Yeah. However, the kid was kicked off for being disruptive, not for being young. They also would have kicked a disruptive adult off the airplane.

Southwest Airlines isn't the one proposing that we ban kids under five from airplanes, anyway -- that's some NSG poster.

Hey, if youre okay with losing the majority of your business,

[Kantria]

This woman should have slapped her kid upside that head. That way, instead of being kicked off the plane, she'd be under arrest for child abuse.

What the fuck do you want her to do?

[Maurepas]

I personally absolutely HATE little children, they are usally unbehaved and hyperactive and I think the little -censored- deserved to get kicked off.

And you never were a little child!

Small children have as much right to travel as you do. Not everyone on a long flight is going to behave in a manner that everyone else condones. Such is the variety of humankind. Why are the young kids being singled out here? There are obnoxious adults, intransigent geriatrics, and unbearable adolescents as well on most long haul flights. Unfortunately we can not, and should not, make everyone behave according to our personal values - so we just have to put up with the annoyance.

If it is a short flight then just get over it already

If an adult screamed all through the safety lecture, they'd remove him/her from the plane. So young kids aren't being singled out for punishment---they're being given privileges no one else has.

Well, Id think when youre 2 you kind of need some,

I might argue that. Parents may have responsibilities enforced by law, but many of those responsibilities to their children are really just intercessory methods of providing children with those things they will be able to do for themselves as adults. That's not really an "extra" privilege.

I meant extra as in, maybe a little leeway when it comes to noise, etc...

[Czardas]

^ Wouldn't age be one of those things?

Yeah. However, the kid was kicked off for being disruptive, not for being young. They also would have kicked a disruptive adult off the airplane.

Southwest Airlines isn't the one proposing that we ban kids under five from airplanes, anyway -- that's some NSG poster.

Hey, if youre okay with losing the majority of your business,

Actually, in the USA at least, I think it would actually be illegal to make such a rule. So yeah. You'd lose the majority of your business, and you'd get sued and probably have to pay a fine.

[The Romulan Republic]

as far as I'm concerned. No compensation, either - other than refunding the cost of the ticket.

I've flown with crying, screaming brats. Even on a short flight, it's enough to turn a calm, nurturing grandmotherly type into a fire-eyed, raving maniac. My feeling is if the kid can't keep quiet, he/she shouldn't be on the plane. It's distracting at best and infuriating at worst, it distracts the flight crew, it irritates the other passengers and, I would hope, is embarassing to the parent(s).

Little children cry sometimes. If you aren't mature and self-controlled enough to deal with it, that's your problem.

Also, sometimes children and parrents with children have to fly. I'm not going to list the numerous reasons why someone might need to be on a particular plane at a particular time, nor the reasons why they might have to have their child with them. The point is that you can't just say "throw them off the flight" (which depending on the circumstances could screw them) because you might be exposed to a little irritation.

I'm sure there are things that can be done to keep the kids under control - ranging from explaining appropriate behavior to the more intelligent ones to making sure that they aren't hungry or tired to sedation.

Sedation? Are you fucking insane? Do you really believe that the appropriate response to something as ordinary and routine as a child crying is to drug them until they pass out?

But the question is - does NSG think that the rights of the parent and child to travel supercede the rights of the other passengers to have a quiet flight? Especially considering how uncomfortable flying has become - unless you go first class.

Perhaps you should stay at home with some ear plugs and a pillow over your head.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

This woman should have slapped her kid upside that head. That way, instead of being kicked off the plane, she'd be under arrest for child abuse.

What the fuck do you want her to do?

Control her child. It really isn't that hard.

[Maurepas]

This woman should have slapped her kid upside that head. That way, instead of being kicked off the plane, she'd be under arrest for child abuse.

What the fuck do you want her to do?

Well...it depends on the State really...

[Maurepas]

^ Wouldn't age be one of those things?

Yeah. However, the kid was kicked off for being disruptive, not for being young. They also would have kicked a disruptive adult off the airplane.

Southwest Airlines isn't the one proposing that we ban kids under five from airplanes, anyway -- that's some NSG poster.

Hey, if youre okay with losing the majority of your business,

Actually, in the USA at least, I think it would actually be illegal to make such a rule. So yeah. You'd lose the majority of your business, and you'd get sued and probably have to pay a fine.

Hey, Halliburton's pretty profitable I hear,

[Lackadaisical2]

I might argue that. Parents may have responsibilities enforced by law, but many of those responsibilities to their children are really just intercessory methods of providing children with those things they will be able to do for themselves as adults. That's not really an "extra" privilege.

I meant extra as in, maybe a little leeway when it comes to noise, etc...

The way I've seen it they usually are. Its just that in this case, it was too excessive. If any one else on a plane carried on the way some kids do, they'd be asked to quiet down, etc.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Sedation? Are you fucking insane? Do you really believe that the appropriate response to something as ordinary and routine as a child crying is to drug them until they pass out?

Personally, I'd settle for a zombie-like daze.

[Maurepas]

I might argue that. Parents may have responsibilities enforced by law, but many of those responsibilities to their children are really just intercessory methods of providing children with those things they will be able to do for themselves as adults. That's not really an "extra" privilege.

I meant extra as in, maybe a little leeway when it comes to noise, etc...

The way I've seen it they usually are. Its just that in this case, it was too excessive. If any one else on a plane carried on the way some kids do, they'd be asked to quiet down, etc.

Yeah, but, Im not sure 2 year olds = anyone else on the plane, tbqh...

[Czardas]

as far as I'm concerned. No compensation, either - other than refunding the cost of the ticket.

I've flown with crying, screaming brats. Even on a short flight, it's enough to turn a calm, nurturing grandmotherly type into a fire-eyed, raving maniac. My feeling is if the kid can't keep quiet, he/she shouldn't be on the plane. It's distracting at best and infuriating at worst, it distracts the flight crew, it irritates the other passengers and, I would hope, is embarassing to the parent(s).

Little children cry sometimes. If you aren't mature and self-controlled enough to deal with it, that's your problem.

Also, sometimes children and parrents with children have to fly. I'm not going to list the numerous reasons why someone might need to be on a particular plane at a particular time, nor the reasons why they might have to have their child with them. The point is that you can't just say "throw them off the flight" (which depending on the circumstances could screw them) because you might be exposed to a little irritation.

If they're upset about being kicked off the plane, they can fly with another airline that is more tolerant of screaming kids. There's no reason the airline has to carry them if it doesn't want to; as mentioned, it's a private institution. Moreover, in this case it has a legal justification for doing so (the kid was disrupting the safety information).

I'm sure there are things that can be done to keep the kids under control - ranging from explaining appropriate behavior to the more intelligent ones to making sure that they aren't hungry or tired to sedation.

Sedation? Are you fucking insane? Do you really believe that the appropriate response to something as ordinary and routine as a child crying is to drug them until they pass out?

Watch it with the personal attacks, please.

[Czardas]

I might argue that. Parents may have responsibilities enforced by law, but many of those responsibilities to their children are really just intercessory methods of providing children with those things they will be able to do for themselves as adults. That's not really an "extra" privilege.

I meant extra as in, maybe a little leeway when it comes to noise, etc...

The way I've seen it they usually are. Its just that in this case, it was too excessive. If any one else on a plane carried on the way some kids do, they'd be asked to quiet down, etc.

Yeah, but, Im not sure 2 year olds = anyone else on the plane, tbqh...

Why not?