Maryland close to eliminating death penalty

[Demen 2]

Have fun paying for the rent, medical needs, and food of convicted murderers. Don't worry, i'm sure he will learn his lesson if he ever escapes.

If he escapes
from a high security prison
with guards on duty
highly capable staff
cameras fucking EVERYWHERE

We are probably dealing with some Marvel villain type shit

[Ceannairceach]

I have not read through the entire thread, but Rereumari is ridiculous. Say there is a man standing in a room with a gun. There are fourteen dead bodies, all shot with that gun. The man's fingerprints are on the gun, and there is residue on the man to suggest that he fired the rounds. He didn't, however. There was another man who had that gun and shot and killed all fourteen people. He then tossed the gun and ran. The man who was surrounded by the bodies picks up the gun and fires at the real murderer. Then the police come in, and see the man with the gun, and the bodies on the floor. He was wrongly convicted of homicide and sent to death row. That is a very real scenario.

Just because it can happen, doesn't it will happen. Besides, there would be two sets of fingerprints on the gun as a result, meaning you would have to investigate both of those men to find out who really fired the gun. That in combination with potential witnesses seeing the man flee the scene is enough to prevent the men you're talking about from being put away.

The possibility is enough reason to not have the death penalty.

[Sri Tschow]

I have not read through the entire thread, but Rereumari is ridiculous. Say there is a man standing in a room with a gun. There are fourteen dead bodies, all shot with that gun. The man's fingerprints are on the gun, and there is residue on the man to suggest that he fired the rounds. He didn't, however. There was another man who had that gun and shot and killed all fourteen people. He then tossed the gun and ran. The man who was surrounded by the bodies picks up the gun and fires at the real murderer. Then the police come in, and see the man with the gun, and the bodies on the floor. He was wrongly convicted of homicide and sent to death row. That is a very real scenario.

Just because it can happen, doesn't it will happen. Besides, there would be two sets of fingerprints on the gun as a result, meaning you would have to investigate both of those men to find out who really fired the gun. That in combination with potential witnesses seeing the man flee the scene is enough to prevent the men you're talking about from being put away.

The shooter was wearing gloves.

[AETEN II]

Have fun paying for the rent, medical needs, and food of convicted murderers. Don't worry, i'm sure he will learn his lesson if he ever escapes.

If he escapes
from a high security prison
with guards on duty
highly capable staff
cameras fucking EVERYWHERE

We are probably dealing with some Marvel villain type shit

This pretty much. Escape is very infrequent, and honestly, with the modern security in high-security prisons, I could only applaud for such ingenuity.

[Condunum]

If he escapes
from a high security prison
with guards on duty
highly capable staff
cameras fucking EVERYWHERE

We are probably dealing with some Marvel villain type shit

This pretty much. Escape is very infrequent, and honestly, with the modern security in high-security prisons, I could only applaud for such ingenuity.

In 1998, the total prison escapee population for all state prisons for allstates was 6,530. Like I said, all state prisons. According to The Prison Journal, 89% of escapees are from minimum security prisons. Which means that roughly .1% of the prison population escapes from other, higher security prisons. Which includes everything except minimum security prisons.

[Edward Richtofen]

well, another one bites the dust, lets all hope this is the last one

[Demen 2]

as for the rent, medical needs and food, I'd pay that either way. If he dies or gets life with no parol, a portion of my taxes still go toward prisons


again, if he can manipulate what people pay in taxes


We should be doing a lot more than putting him in prison

[United States of Natan]

No, really.

Maryland’s Senate voted Wednesday to repeal the death penalty, moving the state one step closer to joining 17 others that ban capital punishment.
The Senate voted 27-20 to pass legislation that would replace execution with a sentence of life without the possibility of parole. The bill must be approved by the House of Delegates before becoming law.

Gov. Martin O'Malley said he was pleased with the vote.

"We remain hopeful that we will see a similar outcome in the House," he said in a statement. "It's time to end this ineffective and expensive practice and put our efforts behind crime fighting strategies that work."

Maryland has five inmates on death row, although no executions have been conducted since 2005. The state has carried out five executions since the death penalty was reinstated in 1978, according to the Death Penalty Information Center.

“The vote in the Maryland Senate to end the death penalty is in line with an emerging trend away from capital punishment around the country,” Richard Dieter, the center’s executive director, said in a statement. “Death sentences and executions have sharply declined, and now states are taking the final step toward eliminating the death penalty.”

So my state is replacing the death penalty with life-sentencing. Personally, I think this is another great step towards fixing the broken prison system. What are your thoughts, NSG? Progress, or stupid move?

good for your state! the death penalty is unnecessary. besides, we should focus on rehabilitation, rather than containment.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Good. All states, all nations, should abolish the death penalty. If even one person is or has been put to death for a crime they were later proven not to have committed, that is one person too many.

[United States of Natan]

my state has actually repealed the death penalty. (except for crimes committed before the death penalty was repealed)

[Ceannairceach]

my state has actually repealed the death penalty. (except for crimes committed before the death penalty was repealed)

My favorite was the state that allowed for prisoners convicted before a certain date to be executed by firing squad if they so chose. *nod*

[Threlizdun]

Excellent, if only my state could learn from its Northern neighbors.

[Jassysworth 1]

Gone too soft on criminals have we?

This is bad... very bad...

And now we need to pay to keep murders and rapists alive for the rest of their lives..

[The Bordorian Federation and Imperium]

Good show Maryland!

[Ceannairceach]

Gone too soft on criminals have we?

This is bad... very bad...

And now we need to pay to keep murders and rapists alive for the rest of their lives..

What part about "it costs more to kill them" don't you and your ideologues understand?

[Cosara]

I am actually for the Death Penalty.

[Ceannairceach]

I am actually for the Death Penalty.

Why?

[Towson]

Excellent, if only my state could learn from its Northern neighbors.

Virginian?

Also dumb move.ever heard of Terrorist's O'Mailey?

[Ethel mermania]

No it's not. The appeals process for death row inmates are more expensive, on account of the fact that we're planning on killing the person. So we give them far more appeal opportunity.

Appeals over a lifetime in prison will still add up to be the same as someone who spends a year appealing on death row. It's a constant and will cost the same over time no matter what. You only add more to the cost when you start paying for his rent for decades.

Prison is cheaper than lawyers.

now i support the death penalty, i dont think we use it often enough. But it does bother me when we do use it we do seem to get it wrong a bit. But there are some cases where we could get it right. For example, why is bernie madoff or charles manson still alive.

it is one of the things i do agree with the president on.

“I believe that the death penalty is appropriate in certain circumstances. There are extraordinarily heinous crimes, terrorism, the harm of children, in which it may be appropriate. Obviously we’ve had some problems in this state, in the application of the death penalty and that’s why a moratorium was put in place and that’s why I was so proud to be one of the leaders in making sure that we overhauled it, death penalty system that was broken. For example, passing the first in the nation videotaping of interrogations and confessions in capital cases. We have to have this ultimate sanction for certain circumstances in which the entire community says this is beyond the pale”

October 21, 2004, Illinois State Debate

http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/Obama/Capital-Punishment.php

[Ceannairceach]

Excellent, if only my state could learn from its Northern neighbors.

Virginian?

Also dumb move.ever heard of Terrorist's O'Mailey?

Terrorists that are not US citizens are not dealt with the same as normal criminals.

[Jassysworth 1]

Gone too soft on criminals have we?

This is bad... very bad...

And now we need to pay to keep murders and rapists alive for the rest of their lives..

What part about "it costs more to kill them" don't you and your ideologues understand?

which is more expensive... to kill a man and be done (while letting him appeal a little)?

Or to keep him alive, feed, clothe him, and pay his medical bills (AND take appeals from him over the years) FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE?

[Ordealius]

The death penalty is a cheap, efficient scare tactic that "seems" to lessen the amount of murders. When a criminal thinks that he can do whatever he wants and the worst the state will do is pay for room and board for him in a prison, he's more likely to do the act.So I say no to life-sentencing.

[Tlaceceyaya]

What part about "it costs more to kill them" don't you and your ideologues understand?

which is more expensive... to kill a man and be done (while letting him appeal a little)?

Or to keep him alive, feed, clothe him, and pay his medical bills (AND take appeals from him over the years) FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE?

"Letting him appeal a little" risks killing innocents.
Or rather, risks killing more innocents than are already killed.

[Ceannairceach]

What part about "it costs more to kill them" don't you and your ideologues understand?

which is more expensive... to kill a man and be done (while letting him appeal a little)?

Or to keep him alive, feed, clothe him, and pay his medical bills (AND take appeals from him over the years) FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE?

To kill him. Lawyers are damned expensive.

[Demen 2]

The death penalty is a cheap, efficient scare tactic that "seems" to lessen the amount of murders. When a criminal thinks that he can do whatever he wants and the worst the state will do is pay for room and board for him in a prison, he's more likely to do the act.So I say no to life-sentencing.

What

do you like, understand what happens in prisons