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Postby Lonara » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:30 pm

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Perhaps so. But what if they can be proved guilty beyond the benefit of a doubt? In most cases it still takes years for them to actually be put to death.

good thing too since those cases still get overturned.
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Postby The Nationalist Republic of America » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:32 pm

Hurray!
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Postby Condunum » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:37 pm

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New Ecopia wrote:Maryland show the rest of America that capital punishment is immoral.


Maryland isn't the most moral state out there.

It has probably one of the largest cultural turn-arounds, that's for sure.
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Postby Lonara » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:38 pm

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Maryland isn't the most moral state out there.

It has probably one of the largest cultural turn-arounds, that's for sure.


We're practically three different states if you think about it. Frederick and north of that is similar to West Virginia, the metro area is well...the metro area, and the shore has always had its own distinct, strange little culture.
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Postby Lost Maryland » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:39 pm

I did what?

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Postby Condunum » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:05 pm

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Condunum wrote:It has probably one of the largest cultural turn-arounds, that's for sure.


We're practically three different states if you think about it. Frederick and north of that is similar to West Virginia, the metro area is well...the metro area, and the shore has always had its own distinct, strange little culture.

Well, it's called little america because it has almost every single environment there is in america. I'm not surprised that it's so diverse in culture.
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Postby Condunum » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:05 pm

Lost Maryland wrote:I did what?

Well, our legislators dropped the death penalty.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:07 pm

Lonara wrote:
Condunum wrote:It has probably one of the largest cultural turn-arounds, that's for sure.


We're practically three different states if you think about it. Frederick and north of that is similar to West Virginia, the metro area is well...the metro area, and the shore has always had its own distinct, strange little culture.


you missed Annapolis and Baltimore
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Postby Condunum » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:10 pm

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We're practically three different states if you think about it. Frederick and north of that is similar to West Virginia, the metro area is well...the metro area, and the shore has always had its own distinct, strange little culture.


you missed Annapolis and Baltimore

Well, that's the Metro area... DC-Baltimore-Annapolis form a triangle metropolitan area in the middle of Maryland.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:29 pm

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you missed Annapolis and Baltimore

Well, that's the Metro area... DC-Baltimore-Annapolis form a triangle metropolitan area in the middle of Maryland.


I don't normally consider those as the Metro-area, although I guess they are similar enough.
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Postby Condunum » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:32 pm

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Condunum wrote:Well, that's the Metro area... DC-Baltimore-Annapolis form a triangle metropolitan area in the middle of Maryland.


I don't normally consider those as the Metro-area, although I guess they are similar enough.

Well the entire area in there, minus a few rural spots, in a metro area. The Baltimore-DC area especially, because you have Towson, Columbia, Ellicot City, and various other metropolitan areas.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:51 pm

Norstal wrote:This is CM's Communist plot. I just know it.

By next week, Maryland's flag will be replaced with this.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:03 pm

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I don't normally consider those as the Metro-area, although I guess they are similar enough.

Well the entire area in there, minus a few rural spots, in a metro area. The Baltimore-DC area especially, because you have Towson, Columbia, Ellicot City, and various other metropolitan areas.


True, I just normally think of the metro area as closer in to DC and including part of Northern Virginia. Any way, yay MD, first same-sex marriage and now this.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:31 pm

Every state should abolish capital punishment. I am glad to see that Maryland is doing this.
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Postby Agritum » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:32 pm

Good job, Maryland.

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Postby Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:45 pm

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Rereumrari wrote:1 death needle<50 years rent, food, medical care. Unless we are injecting the guy with gold and diamonds, there is no way.

nevermind the cost of the appeals process for death row inmates. But that would ruin your stupid little fantasy about death row somehow being beneficial.


What about the cost of the appeals process for life without parole inmates?
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Postby Arkinesia » Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:12 am

Bravo, Maryland. One more state stepping over on the side of morality and justice.
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Postby Immoren » Thu Mar 07, 2013 1:35 am

Better late than never, I guess.
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Postby Xsyne » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:14 am

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It was probably easier for that to happen a century ago when we didn't have forensics and mostly depended on witnesses and circumstantial evidence to convict, but technology these days makes it easy to prove someone's guilt beyond reasonable doubt. There is no way a serial killers could properly hide his dna, fingerprints, and other traces of evidence from multiple crimes that he participated in.

Meanwhile, in the real world, Texas recently executed someone for a crime that did not happen, based entirely on the testimony of a goddamned mystic.
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Postby Risottia » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:17 am

Condunum wrote:So my state is replacing the death penalty with life-sentencing. Personally, I think this is another great step towards fixing the broken prison system. What are your thoughts, NSG? Progress, or stupid move?


Thumbs up for Maryland if they can do it. But this isn't going to fix the prison system per se.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Mar 07, 2013 7:28 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Norstal wrote:This is CM's Communist plot. I just know it.

By next week, Maryland's flag will be replaced with this.


Well, as I've pointed out before, there's plenty of arguably unconstitutional Christian symbolism on the Maryland state flag, what with the deeply Trinitarian symbolism of the Bottony cross in the coat of arms of the Calvert family - at least the hammer and sickle doesn't trespass on church-state separation ;)

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The Archregimancy wrote:Well, as I've pointed out before, there's plenty of arguably unconstitutional Christian symbolism on the Maryland state flag, what with the deeply Trinitarian symbolism of the Bottony cross in the coat of arms of the Calvert family - at least the hammer and sickle doesn't trespass on church-state separation ;)

I suppose it's pretty bad that I never knew that those symbols were Bottony crosses. :unsure:

I think in my youth I thought they were weird anchors, and as I got older I just... didn't think about them. :lol:
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:32 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Well, as I've pointed out before, there's plenty of arguably unconstitutional Christian symbolism on the Maryland state flag, what with the deeply Trinitarian symbolism of the Bottony cross in the coat of arms of the Calvert family - at least the hammer and sickle doesn't trespass on church-state separation ;)

I suppose it's pretty bad that I never knew that those symbols were Bottony crosses. :unsure:


Given that I spent part of my youth excavating the site of your state's first capital, and the burial site of at least one Calvert, I might have had a head start... ;)

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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:35 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I suppose it's pretty bad that I never knew that those symbols were Bottony crosses. :unsure:


Given that I spent part of my youth excavating the site of your state's first capital, and the burial site of at least one Calvert, I might have had a head start... ;)


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Postby Freiheit Reich » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:59 am

Death penalty should be used less but should be allowed in extreme cases like when murder was committed during a crime of rape or when a serial killer kills many people or when a victim is brutally tortured before murder.

Make the death penalty harder to issue and make more proof required (such as the body being found to prove death).

Using harder standards means death penalty won't be given much (maybe once a decade) but it allows it for extreme cases when it is clearly deserved.
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