What does 'Pro-Life' mean?

by **But** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:13 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:We don't know what this means yet? On NSG???

That's funny, but did you want to add something to the discussion?

by **Desperate Measures** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:26 pm

But wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:We don't know what this means yet? On NSG???

That's funny, but did you want to add something to the discussion?

It says everything I meant to say. This is ridiculous. And you deserve to hear that.

by **But** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:38 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:It says everything I meant to say. This is ridiculous. Okay. How so? And you deserve to hear that. I do? And why is that?

I would like you to elaborate on your ambiguous statements.

by **Genivaria** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:45 pm

It means I will protect you as long as your a fetus but as soon as your born you can go die for all I care.

by **Desperate Measures** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:14 pm

But wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:It says everything I meant to say. This is ridiculous. Okay. How so? And you deserve to hear that. I do? And why is that?

I would like you to elaborate on your ambiguous statements.

It's mostly me being irritable while being annoyed with the trend of talking about what words mean instead of the actual topic. I'm probably being a bit unfair. I think I've even basically said what you said in past arguments. And reading what I wrote, it was pretty ambiguous. So, yes. Me being totally unfair. Also, I'm an idiot, sometimes.

by **Demen 2** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:17 pm

Phocidaea wrote:"I think a half-developed fetus is the same as, if not more important than, a sapient adult human"

I love parasites too.

by **America Resurgent** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:17 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:It's mostly me being irritable while being annoyed with the trend of talking about what words mean instead of the actual topic. I'm probably being a bit unfair. I think I've even basically said what you said in past arguments. And reading what I wrote, it was pretty ambiguous. So, yes. Me being totally unfair. Also, I'm an idiot, sometimes.

Oh, don't worry about that. With the natural off-topic tendency of threads, it's likeliest that we'll end up talking about abortion and the death penalty and war.

by **Manahakatouki** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:18 pm

I still don't know what it means to be honest, but I know which side they lie on in the abortion debate I suppose...

by **Lonara** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:23 pm

Abortion has always been a debate of emotions and religion, rather than logic. I agree with seeing the bigger picture, instead of becoming overly passionate about one issue.

by **Regnum Dominae** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:53 pm

When conservatives say "pro-life", what they really mean is anti-choice and anti-woman.

by **Lonara** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:58 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:When conservatives say "pro-life", what they really mean is anti-choice and anti-woman.

Hey-oh.

+10 points.

by **Christian Democrats** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:05 pm

What does "pro-life" mean?

As far as the abortion debate goes, an individual who describes himself or herself as pro-life believes that the government ought to provide equal protection to all human life from attacks, public or private, regardless of age or level of development.

by **Regnum Dominae** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:06 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:What does "pro-life" mean?

As far as the abortion debate goes, an individual who describes himself or herself as pro-life believes that the government ought to provide equal protection to all human life from attacks, public or private, regardless of age or level of development.

To call a fetus "human" is factually and medically incorrect.

A fetus is a parasite. It depends on the host's body for life, and leeches nutrients from the host. Which is the very definition of a parasite.

by **Christian Democrats** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:12 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:To call a fetus "human" is factually and medically incorrect.

What species is the human fetus? Fish? Dog? Cat?

by **Regnum Dominae** » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:25 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:To call a fetus "human" is factually and medically incorrect.

What species is the human fetus? Fish? Dog? Cat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus_in_fetu

What would you do with this... this thing?

by **Grad Duchy of Luxembourg** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:33 am

Christian Democrats wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:To call a fetus "human" is factually and medically incorrect.

What species is the human fetus? Fish? Dog? Cat?

Riddle me this: What species is lumps of cancer cells? Then you will have your answer to what species is the human fetus.

by **Ethel mermania** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:08 am

it all marketing

its tougher to sell fetus killing, so we call it pro-choice.
anti fetus killing is tough to say, so they in response say pro-life

simple catchy terms, that really do not describe the issue.

welcome to america.

by **Luveria** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:13 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:When conservatives say "pro-life", what they really mean is anti-choice and anti-woman.

I have long thought that in conservative speak pro-life means they are also pro-death.

by **Immoren** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:11 am

"Pro-life" term makes me think some sort of dairy product. Or soap/shampoo brand.

by **Luveria** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:18 am

Immoren wrote:"Pro-life" term makes me think some sort of dairy product. Or soap/shampoo brand.

I can see Pro-life being a shampoo brand.

by **Immoren** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:20 am

Luveria wrote:
Immoren wrote:"Pro-life" term makes me think some sort of dairy product. Or soap/shampoo brand.

I can see Pro-life being a shampoo brand.

:D

by **Olthar** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:20 am

"Pro-life" is merely a propaganda title made to try and implicitly paint abortion supporters as death lovers just like how the name "pro-choice" is meant to associate the anti-abortion crowd as freedom haters. Neither name actually has any real meaning and should generally be ignored outside of the abortion debate. Hell, there isn't even much point in paying attention to them in the debate. They're just meaningless buzzwords.

by **Godwintopia** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:47 am

Regnum Dominae wrote:To call a fetus "human" is factually and medically incorrect.

A fetus is a parasite. It depends on the host's body for life, and leeches nutrients from the host. Which is the very definition of a parasite.

Very young humans are parasistic even when born. This does not change the fact that they are human. Parasitic entity inside woman becomes parasitic entity outside of woman. I'm supposed to believe that the difference in location equals the equilivence of difference in species.

Ethel mermania wrote:it all marketing

its tougher to sell fetus killing, so we call it pro-choice.
anti fetus killing is tough to say, so they in response say pro-life

simple catchy terms, that really do not describe the issue.

welcome to america.

Indeed. Pro-Life is simply what Anti-Abortionism has come to be called. Pro-Choice is simply what Pro-Abortionism has come to be called. The terms do not necceserily indicate a broader commitment to either Life or Choice.

Indeed as a rule Pro-Lifers make exceptions that allow the killing of some human beings under some circumstances. And as a rule Pro-Choicers also mandate that people shouldn't be allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies in all circumstances.

Abortion bieng murder, the Pro-Choicers perfer to talk in terms of Choice and Freedom in order to distract attention from what they are actually supporting. The Pro-Lifers prefer to talk of Life in general in order to distract attention from the intrusive nature of pregnancy.

Basically it's to stop being from noticing that the Pro-Choicers are murderers and the Pro-Lifers by default have conscripted women's bodies in order to avoid becoming murderers. It's a case of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Nobody wants to face up to what they actually in favour of.

Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:Riddle me this: What species is lumps of cancer cells? Then you will have your answer to what species is the human fetus.

Cancer cells are human. However as they are merely malfunctioning cells in an individuals body they do not consititute a human individual and consequently do not have any moral or legal status.

Fetuses are dependant human beings in the full sense. And so they are entitled to what is necccesery in order to survive. In the same way that governments are entitled to coerce taxpayers to pay their taxes in order to provide medical servives (including perversely abortions) to women.

by **Luveria** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:50 am

Godwintopia wrote:Basically it's to stop being from noticing that the Pro-Choicers are murderers and the Pro-Lifers by default have conscripted women's bodies in order to avoid becoming murderers. It's a case of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Nobody wants to face up to what they actually in favour of.

Abortion is abortion, murder is murder.

by **Immoren** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:50 am

Luveria wrote:
Godwintopia wrote:Basically it's to stop being from noticing that the Pro-Choicers are murderers and the Pro-Lifers by default have conscripted women's bodies in order to avoid becoming murderers. It's a case of wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Nobody wants to face up to what they actually in favour of.

Abortion is abortion, murder is murder.

Fur is murder.

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