7 Worst Things About Being Male

[The Blaatschapen]

That would humanize them Think of the consequences and all those people that have to face their fears, rather than projecting them on others in order to make themselves feel good

Have you ever seen a room full of paradigms shifting without a clutch?

It's hilarious. Seriously, truly hilarious.

No, not a room. Just my own. It's.... liberating

[Ethel mermania]

You see things like this are why we want the women in the kitchen not outside or on the computer.

Uh huh. I'd recommend not speaking in the plural, it makes you look crazy.

or pregnant, or the queen of england.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yeah stereotypes are the bane of my existence.

Why can't we treat people like people, amirite?

Oh no, the fact someone is black or a woman or something is incredibly important apparently. Just ask steel magnolia.

[Freelanderness]

Yeah stereotypes are the bane of my existence.

Why can't we treat people like people, amirite?

Because you whine too much. (satire)

Yeah stereotypes are the bane of my existence.

I prefer 'monotypes' myself.

Me too. Fun for messing with for visual arts projects.

[The Blaatschapen]

Uh huh. I'd recommend not speaking in the plural, it makes you look crazy.

or pregnant, or the queen of england.

Or all combined.

Usually that.

[The Emerald Dawn]

or pregnant, or the queen of england.

Or all combined.

Usually that.

If QEII gets preggers, I think the world would stop.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Why can't we treat people like people, amirite?

Oh no, the fact someone is black or a woman or something is incredibly important apparently. Just ask steel magnolia.

Yes because pretending social divisions don't exist will solve discrimination and sstereotypes, of course!

[Ostroeuropa]

Oh no, the fact someone is black or a woman or something is incredibly important apparently. Just ask steel magnolia.

Yes because acting and thinking as though social divisions don't exist will solve discrimination and stereotypes, of course!

I've fixed it for you.

[The Blaatschapen]

Or all combined.

Usually that.

If QEII gets preggers, I think the world would stop.

Well, at least all bets will be off about where the new antichrist will rise.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Yes because acting and thinking as though social divisions don't exist will solve discrimination and stereotypes, of course!

I've fixed it for you.

That... doesn't actually change the underlying point.

[Nadkor]

Why can't we treat people like people, amirite?

Oh no, the fact someone is black or a woman or something is incredibly important apparently. Just ask steel magnolia.

Treating people like people is a good way to do your part to try and reduce social divisions, eliminate discrimination, and counter stereotypes, but it doesn't magically make any of them disappear in a puff of smoke.

[Ostroeuropa]

I've fixed it for you.

That... doesn't actually change the underlying point.

I'd argue that it fundamentally does.
Pretending doesn't include action.
And yes, it really would fix things if people thought and acted in ways that did not acknowledge social divisions. I can't think of a single issue where this isn't true.

[Natapoc]

Okay so there are a minority (A MINORITY) of radical feminists who are trans phobic. Many radical feminists do not consider trans-phobic people to be feminists AT ALL (I actually just saw a big discussion on that in a forum I frequent that has a high percentage of radical feminists)

Perhaps that's a perception issue on my end. The vast majority of self identified radfems I've encountered have been horribly vile individuals, be it in hatred towards sex workers, transgender people, et cetera. I'm aware that such a selection may not be a true sampling of actual radfems, but I would also say that they also have the loudest voices.

At least. I'm pretty sure they did when they found out my personal information and decided to phone all of my contacts, telling them a number of particularly horrid things. I'm not trying to demonize the entire movement (though I realize I am) and I certainly acknowledge that there's likely aspects I'm unaware of, but my experience with it, and the experiences of all the trans* people I know with it have been particularly atrocious. I'm a diehard feminist, make no mistake, but I'm not sure I can ever align myself with that particular ideology.

I'm not sure if trans phobic people can be feminists or not, But I can say their trans phobia is bigotry that has no place in feminism (especially not radical feminism)

I'm inclined to agree here.

There is one area of discussion that has to be tread lightly and that's the fact that many radical feminists do not believe in gender roles at all BUT many trans people seem to cling to gender roles which frustrates many radical feminists.

I think this can be solved easily by using a little compassion and realizing that a few trans people are not what's propping up patriarchy and that really the lives of people who are transgender will be much much more easy once we eliminate gender roles and expectations.

I find that many radical feminists confuse eliminating gender roles and gender discrimination with eliminating gender.

You asked: Is eliminating patriarchy pretty much the basic principle of feminism? Well, kinda. Ideally yes but there is a lot of argument about if some feminists are actually working to destroy patriarchy, or if they are legitimizing it in the way they advocate.

There are certainly many flaws within the feminist movement, be its actions towards people of colour, political lesbianism, and rampant transphobia within the mainstream establishment (which is admittedly more of a historical problem than one that exists currently, at least insofar as much as trans* people are excluded everywhere. Michigan's Womyn's Music Festival springs to mind). Propping up the patriarchy is not a complaint I have heard levied at feminism however.

But yes Radical feminism is the branch of feminism that advocates focusing on the "root" of the problem. In case you don't believe me, source:

I don't disbelieve you, it's just something I had never been aware of before. I appreciate the info though!

Many radical feminists have serious issues with the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival. There is a branch of feminism you could call separatism. That's where a lot of the things you don't like come from.

One thing I want to address: Radical feminists are against prostitution. There is no leeway here, prostitution is a form of objectification which radical feminists disagree with along with pornography.

A lot of the conflict between trans activists and radical feminists is centered around the issue of gender but that's not an excuse for trans-phobia.

Here is the problem:

"A trans activist wants the right to be seen as "boy" or "girl", a radical feminist wants the right to be seen as a person." In their efforts to be treated equally and with the respect they deserve many trans people are forced to cling to rigid gender constructs.

* note I know that trans activists want the same thing (to be treated as a person, I'm talking about the focus of their activism)

Radical feminism is against the social construction of gender (not sex), or as one radical feminist put it: "What I do rightly criticize is the social construction of gender (not sex) as an idea, not an attack on trans people.""

If it means anything to you, I don't think ANY of the radical feminists I know in real life have anything against trans people and are very accepting.

On the internet it's a different story. I don't know what it is with the internet and attracting bully's.

[The Emerald Dawn]

If QEII gets preggers, I think the world would stop.

Well, at least all bets will be off about where the new antichrist will rise.

Double points if she names him "Damian".

[The Blaatschapen]

On the internet it's a different story. I don't know what it is with the internet and attracting bully's.

The anonymity of it. There are no consequences for your actions.

[The Steel Magnolia]

That... doesn't actually change the underlying point.

I'd argue that it fundamentally does.
Pretending doesn't include action.
And yes, it really would fix things if people thought and acted in ways that did not acknowledge social divisions. I can't think of a single issue where this isn't true.

That'd be great if the whole world did it.

Since they don't, it's a wonderful way to pat yourself on the back for being accepting while not doing a single fucking thing to accomplish any change for oppressed minorities.

[Individuality-ness]

That's not how life is supposed to be lived!

Good thing I have a lovely lady feeding me grapes, and another lovely lady practicing her piano and singing for us.

I'd invite you, but my plane is in the shop.

It's cool. *goes to nom on instant ramen*

Why can't we treat people like people, amirite?

Because you whine too much. (satire)

Women, amirite?

Why can't we treat people like people, amirite?

That would humanize them Think of the consequences and all those people that have to face their fears, rather than projecting them on others in order to make themselves feel good

I did not think of that!

[Ostroeuropa]

I'd argue that it fundamentally does.
Pretending doesn't include action.
And yes, it really would fix things if people thought and acted in ways that did not acknowledge social divisions. I can't think of a single issue where this isn't true.

That'd be great if the whole world did it.

Since they don't, it's a wonderful way to pat yourself on the back for being accepting while not doing a single fucking thing to accomplish any change for oppressed minorities.

If someone differs their action as though the divisions do exist, refuse to accept it and argue against it. Do not give them your patronage if they are commercial. Do not give them your vote if they are political, etc.

[The Blaatschapen]

That would humanize them Think of the consequences and all those people that have to face their fears, rather than projecting them on others in order to make themselves feel good

I did not think of that!

Of course not, you're a woman.

[Ethel mermania]

I knew I was being too hopeful when I expected it to be a comprehensive analysis of male privilege.

Best thing about being male?

I get to play rage metal at full volume and everyone assumes that it is normal.

the world is my pissouir. rage metal ick, give me louie and ella anyday.

[Individuality-ness]

I did not think of that!

Of course not, you're a woman.

Dangnabit.

[Freelanderness]

Because you whine too much. (satire)

Women, amirite?

Yeahh, jesus laugh it was just a joke.

[Individuality-ness]

Women, amirite?

Yeahh, jesus laugh it was just a joke.

I did.

[Vareiln]

What? That's not at all representative of the actual problems a male-gender person faces... If anything, it seems more like misanthropic MRA's acting up again and assuming that gender stereotypes are 100% true, even for males.

[Ethel mermania]

Okay I've changed my mind. No.1 worst thing to being a male is having everyone else assume that you can't control yourself/your natural state is rapist/etc, etc.

It sucks. Men are mindless sex animals and women all actually secretly hate men and are prudes. This world sucks.

i'm not mindless.

in fact my brain is my second favorite organ.