Should Assault Weapons be banned?

[Indira]

If guns are needed to avoid tyranny, how do you explain most of Europe?

With regards to the OP, no they shouldn't and banning such weapons is rather pointless in a country where guns are freely available.

[Big Jim P]

I would like to have them, but not to hunt animals...

Hunting vegetables seems kinda silly to me.

[Dooom35796821595]

Forget banning guns, let's ban gun control threads instead.

this is the best idea yet.

[Divair]

If guns are needed to avoid tyranny, how do you explain most of Europe?

With regards to the OP, no they shouldn't and banning such weapons is rather pointless in a country where guns are freely available.

Didn't you hear? Europe is full of tyrannical governments right now.

[Union of Democratic Socialists]

Personally, I am against gun control, but I want to know what NS thinks. Here's my argument against it:

Ban Assault Rifles.

1) The United States Department of Justice said that the Clinton Gun Ban did not reduce gun violence.

It also didn't completely ban all assault weapons now did it. By the way how many people die from machine guns. . . that's right 0 because machine guns are banned.

2) Rifles in general only account for 1% of gun murders.

Assualt rifles account for about 100% of deaths in mass shootings. In total I would bet close to 70% of gun deaths are related to drugs and money. Although I don't think the movie theater shooting or the Newtown shooting was because of drugs or money.

3) We need guns so that we can defend ourselves against a tyrannical government.

Okay you use an AR-15 and the government will use an M1-A1 tank. You'll be fucking screwed.

[Ovisterra]

The term seems to be extremely loose and used selectively by both sides for their own benefit.

Just ban guns full stop.

[Benomia]

*rips out eyeballs*

[Immoren]

If guns are needed to avoid tyranny, how do you explain most of Europe?

With regards to the OP, no they shouldn't and banning such weapons is rather pointless in a country where guns are freely available.

Didn't you hear? Europe is full of tyrannical governments right now.

Yes. I live everyday in fear for my life.

[The united imperial sector]

No thats not what im saying pepole always need wepons just in case the goverment turns tyrannical, the majority wouldnt kill thier own do you realy think the national guard would fire on pepole from thier home town?

Are you even capable of thinking of your entire sentence at once?


You're saying we need rifles to protect against the government. But the government won't do anything. What the hell is the point?

"Sigh" Okay civilans(you, me and everyone else.) need wepons to protect ourselves from the goverment if it turns tyrannical okay? And I didnt say the goverment would't do anything I said the soilders they command wouldnt, you realize that the military is under the goverments command right and that U.S.A are recruited from america right so why would americans fire on americans just becaues they were told to? Most of the army would refues such an order.

[Divair]

Didn't you hear? Europe is full of tyrannical governments right now.

Yes. I live everyday in fear for my life.

We know. Don't worry. 'MURICA will give you a healthy dose of democracy and freedom soon.

[Divair]

Are you even capable of thinking of your entire sentence at once?


You're saying we need rifles to protect against the government. But the government won't do anything. What the hell is the point?

"Sigh" Okay civilans(you, me and everyone else.) need wepons to protect ourselves from the goverment if it turns tyrannical okay? And I didnt say the goverment would't do anything I said the soilders they command wouldnt, you realize that the military is under the goverments command right and that U.S.A are recruited from america right so why would americans fire on americans just becaues they were told to? Most of the army would refues such an order.

So the tyrannical government can't do anything, but you need to protect against something it can't do?
Do you even understand what you are typing?


Surely I'm not the only one who can see the lack of logic in this statement.

[Immoren]

Because I was bottom paged.

Sometimes I'd want to pit those who use "defense against tyranny" reasoning, against M2A2 armed only with a rifle.

[The united imperial sector]

"Sigh" Okay civilans(you, me and everyone else.) need wepons to protect ourselves from the goverment if it turns tyrannical okay? And I didnt say the goverment would't do anything I said the soilders they command wouldnt, you realize that the military is under the goverments command right and that U.S.A are recruited from america right so why would americans fire on americans just becaues they were told to? Most of the army would refues such an order.

So the tyrannical government can't do anything, but you need to protect against something it can't do?
Do you even understand what you are typing?


Surely I'm not the only one who can see the lack of logic in this statement.

Yes I do actualy there would still be soliders who would obey the orders they where given or what about if the goverment just sent troops out to all major cities and rounded up pepole and started killing them?

[Union of Democratic Socialists]

If guns are needed to avoid tyranny, how do you explain most of Europe?

With regards to the OP, no they shouldn't and banning such weapons is rather pointless in a country where guns are freely available.

Didn't you hear? Europe is full of tyrannical governments right now.

How many gun deaths does the UK have annually, then compare it to the US. End of point.

[Wikkiwallana]

::shoots self::

Holy shit! We gotta ban virtual guns!

No infringement on my virtual 2nd Amendment!

[Divair]

Yes I do actualy there would still be soliders who would obey the orders they where given or what about if the goverment just sent troops out to all major cities and rounded up pepole and started killing them?

You just said the vast majority of the military would refuse to obey the orders. They're more than capable of defeating a few who disregard human rights. Putting civilians at risk by arming them is a horrible idea if they're already being protected by those who disobey the orders.



This is, of course, assuming someone somehow managed to completely break the American political system and somehow created a tyrannical government, something you literally cannot do.

[Ovisterra]

Didn't you hear? Europe is full of tyrannical governments right now.

How many gun deaths does the UK have annually, then compare it to the US. End of point.

The UK has about a 40th of the US's per capita gun deaths, I believe.

[Wikkiwallana]

I would like to have them, but not to hunt animals...

Hunting vegetables seems kinda silly to me.

That's why I hunt minerals!

[Divair]

How many gun deaths does the UK have annually, then compare it to the US. End of point.

What a horrible comparison. That's like comparing deaths in China to deaths in Vermont. Try finding a statistic that isn't a number based on size.

[The united imperial sector]

Yes I do actualy there would still be soliders who would obey the orders they where given or what about if the goverment just sent troops out to all major cities and rounded up pepole and started killing them?

You just said the vast majority of the military would refuse to obey the orders. They're more than capable of defeating a few who disregard human rights.



This is, of course, assuming someone somehow managed to completely break the American political system and somehow created a tyrannical government, something you literally cannot do.

Then how do explain the current situation then huh? You relize they just signed a bill to allow predator drones to patrol the skyies around major U.S cities right?

[Thafoo]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Uh-C-ssC ... h-C-ssCvNU

this could be a metaphor

[Divair]

Then how do explain the current situation then huh? You relize they just signed a bill to allow predator drones to patrol the skyies around major U.S cities right?

When they actually start killing people, let me know.

[Wikkiwallana]

You just said the vast majority of the military would refuse to obey the orders. They're more than capable of defeating a few who disregard human rights.



This is, of course, assuming someone somehow managed to completely break the American political system and somehow created a tyrannical government, something you literally cannot do.

Then how do explain the current situation then huh? You relize they just signed a bill to allow predator drones to patrol the skyies around major U.S cities right?

Do those drones have missiles?

[Big Jim P]

Personally, I am against gun control, but I want to know what NS thinks. Here's my argument against it:

Ban Assault Rifles.

1) The United States Department of Justice said that the Clinton Gun Ban did not reduce gun violence.

It also didn't completely ban all assault weapons now did it. By the way how many people die from machine guns. . . that's right 0 because machine guns are banned.

2) Rifles in general only account for 1% of gun murders.

Assualt rifles account for about 100% of deaths in mass shootings. In total I would bet close to 70% of gun deaths are related to drugs and money. Although I don't think the movie theater shooting or the Newtown shooting was because of drugs or money.

3) We need guns so that we can defend ourselves against a tyrannical government.

Okay you use an AR-15 and the government will use an M1-A1 tank. You'll be fucking screwed.

Machine guns are not banned.

[Ovisterra]

You just said the vast majority of the military would refuse to obey the orders. They're more than capable of defeating a few who disregard human rights.



This is, of course, assuming someone somehow managed to completely break the American political system and somehow created a tyrannical government, something you literally cannot do.

Then how do explain the current situation then huh? You relize they just signed a bill to allow predator drones to patrol the skyies around major U.S cities right?

Drones, armed with censor-missiles and fueled by the blood and tears of oppressed children. WHY DO YOU HATE CHILDREN OBAMA?