Should Assault Weapons be banned?

[DuThaal Craftworld]

So Crossbows and Swords must be banned? Your argument is invalid.

how does this conclusion fallow from its premis?

Here's a better conclusion.
I once used a spoon to poke someone's eye out (I was pissed, he was drunk, it was all I had on hand), thus assaulting him.
Let's ban spoons!

[Luveria]

how does this conclusion fallow from its premis?

Here's a better conclusion.
I once used a spoon to poke someone's eye out (I was pissed, he was drunk, it was all I had on hand), thus assaulting him.
Let's ban spoons!

I see you got this from the GOP.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/03/1533151/gop-rep-compares-gun-safety-to-banning-spoons/

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Owning tanks is both legal and relatively economically feasible (for a god-damn tank) thanks to the Czechs.


Purchase. Park in driveway. Videotape neighbors' reactions with hidden cameras. Post on YouTube. Hold elections. Become President of Trolling.

Only if it comes complete with Iraqi FROG-7.
I want to buy a BRDM-2 from that site, however.

I WANT!

There's no way in HELL my girlfriend'd go along with this one, though.

Tell her you bought her a $50,000 foreign car.

Then wait until it gets here to tell her it's not actually a car,

But honey, think of the crash survivability factors!

"What crash?"

Well, it's a good thing that so-called 'assault weapons' purpose isn't to commit assault then.

perhaps then they are misnamed, and this other mysterious purpose, whatever in might be, a more appropriate name in its place.

Perhaps target, hunting, sports and defensive rifles then?
Just like they're actually named?

I'm exceedingly bored of your fucking rhetoric.

[DuThaal Craftworld]

Here's a better conclusion.
I once used a spoon to poke someone's eye out (I was pissed, he was drunk, it was all I had on hand), thus assaulting him.
Let's ban spoons!

I see you got this from the GOP.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/02/03/1533151/gop-rep-compares-gun-safety-to-banning-spoons/

I did not know that existed, but interesting article nonetheless.

[Oceania-Eurasia-Eastasia]

how does this conclusion fallow from its premis?

Here's a better conclusion.
I once used a spoon to poke someone's eye out (I was pissed, he was drunk, it was all I had on hand), thus assaulting him.
Let's ban spoons!

No, spoons should be banned for making people fat.

[Arianien]

Long live the knife!

[Yes Im Biop]

'Modern Sporting Rifles' it is then.

murder is not a sport, regardless of the life form involved.

next.

No, I'm pretty sure that My shooting steel and Clay target's at 100 yards IS a sport.

[Veceria]

murder is not a sport, regardless of the life form involved.

next.

No, I'm pretty sure that My shooting steel and Clay target's at 100 yards IS a sport.

Nah, you're totally murdering those steel plates and clay targets. Totally.

[Ragnarsdomr]

So Crossbows and Swords must be banned? Your argument is invalid.

how does this conclusion fallow from its premis?

How many swords, excepting wallhangers and federschwerts, can be honestly described as being designed *not* to be useful in the assault of someone else? It's not a LARPing boffer, it's a piece of hardened, sharpened and balanced steel based off of older designs of hardened, sharpened and balanced steel that were made so people could fight and possibly kill other people who may or may not have been holding pieces of hardened, sharpened and balanced steel.

At what point there is that *not* an item intended for assault?

Hell, while we're at it, we should ban bokken from the civilian market as well, because the LAPD's mounted cops use them as well as police batons for riot duty. Ergo, they're intended to beat down and suppress others; the very example of assault.

[Alaskatopia]

These are the people we pay to make decisions that affect the country
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7m6aewquco

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/20/biden-shotgun-advice-draws-quizzical-response/

This double barreled shotgun thing is an issue for many reasons, but form a home defense perspective firing two blasts means it is over. According to the Portland Police Policies Study Council from '88-91, Portland police fired a total of 186 shots and scored 112 hits - missing 40 percent of their shots.http://www.theppsc.org/Archives/DF_Articles/Files/Oregon/92-Oregonian_Study.htm.

If police officers are missing 40 percent of the time, how well do you think you'll preform under pressure?

And this is how well informed they are
http://blogs.denverpost.com/thespot/2013/04/03/as-lead-sponsor-in-house-on-gun-legislation-rep-diana-degette-appears-to-not-understand-how-they-work/93506/

These debates are pointless as they are a battle of words between the familiar and the ignorant, the urban/suburban majority and the rural minority. Rational ignorance is a real part of life, I don't know the cost of tea in China because I have other concerns, but, rational ignorance becomes irrational when you don't bother to do silly things like research into topics that affect your life, and the lives of others.

My wife and I own guns. Several. Many even. We hunt, and enjoy range time for target shooting. Why do we enjoy target shooting? Because it develops, reinforces, and ensures readiness of fundamental skills related to survival when we're out picking berries for jam, or fishing a sweet spot, or gathering fireweed to make honey, and a bear wants the real estate more than us. My wife has an AR-15 in .308. She's 5'0" and 110lbs. with her parka and mukluks on, and she is comfortable shooting it. Her "Assault Weapon" won't kill a bear or moose without the kind of precision and familiarity developed with thousands of rounds of practice.

If you want to crusade against something, crusade against mandatory minimums for drug sentences, crusade for transparency in medical costs, crusade against standardized testing and a faltering education system, crusade against lazy people making decisions based on soundbites, crusade for gay equality, crusade for puppies, crusade against white privilege or income disparity between men and women. Do *NOT* listen to a few soundbites and read a headline and support knee jerk partisan bullshit that ruins my lifestyle. Between living and trying to save for the future, my wife's "assault weapon" allows us to offset food expenses greatly, and with average cost of living here 37% higher than the lower 48, that matters. Quit crusading against my peace of mind when I'm at work.

Edited to add: I live in Alaska.

[Lolzieristan]

Unfortunately for people like the above poster, the rural minority who actually use firearms for defending their livestock or themselves against predators, or for hunting to feed their families, are far too under-represented in the American political system. Far more represented are the "hunting is just a cruel means of entertainment" or "guns are just for shooting people" lobbyists.

At this point, I've just gotten to the point of asking:

"You know what? Why shouldn't I get to own an 'assault weapon'? It's well-established that I have a long and documented history of not shooting up a mall or a preschool. I'm a loyal American citizen, a prospective member of the armed forces, and have an IQ of 126. Why not?"

[Sociobiology]

murder is not a sport, regardless of the life form involved.

next.

No, I'm pretty sure that My shooting steel and Clay target's at 100 yards IS a sport.

well no not unless pinball is a sport, it is certainly recreation though.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Arguably, it is.
Firearms require significantly more skill than pinball, however.

[DuThaal Craftworld]

No, I'm pretty sure that My shooting steel and Clay target's at 100 yards IS a sport.

well no not unless pinball is a sport, it is certainly recreation though.

By your same thesis, the bowler in cricket is not part of the sport, bowling is not a sport at all and shooting a goal in soccer is not part of the sport, merely recreational.

[Sevvania]

No, I'm pretty sure that My shooting steel and Clay target's at 100 yards IS a sport.

well no not unless pinball is a sport, it is certainly recreation though.

Pinball is not an olympic event. Trap shooting is.

[Geilinor]

Personally, I am against gun control, but I want to know what NS thinks. Here's my argument against it:

1) The United States Department of Justice said that the Clinton Gun Ban did not reduce gun violence

2) Rifles in general only account for 1% of gun murders.

Source?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Personally, I am against gun control, but I want to know what NS thinks. Here's my argument against it:

1) The United States Department of Justice said that the Clinton Gun Ban did not reduce gun violence

2) Rifles in general only account for 1% of gun murders.

Source?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... ta-table-8
3.8%, still stupidly low. 'Assault Weapons', per the title of the thread, account for a minority of this minority of homicides, compared to the 6220 of 8583 firearms homicides committed with handguns.

[BluberrySniper]

For any of you who think guns kill people: YOUR STUPID Guns don't kill people people kill people and that's all their is to it. Plus if someone wanted to kill someone they could just as easily hit them with a car or drowned them. So pretty much ban water, cars and oh... everything else on earth because anything can be and probably has been used as a weapon.

[DuThaal Craftworld]

For any of you who think guns kill people: YOUR STUPID Guns don't kill people people kill people and that's all their is to it. Plus if someone wanted to kill someone they could just as easily hit them with a car or drowned them. So pretty much ban water, cars and oh... everything else on earth because anything can be and probably has been used as a weapon.

We've spent so long building up a nice, rational conversation... And then you come and ruin it.
Shit.

[Lolzieristan]

For any of you who think guns kill people: YOUR STUPID Guns don't kill people people kill people and that's all their is to it. Plus if someone wanted to kill someone they could just as easily hit them with a car or drowned them. So pretty much ban water, cars and oh... everything else on earth because anything can be and probably has been used as a weapon.

We've spent so long building up a nice, rational conversation... And then you come and ruin it.
Shit.

Yep.

[Sociobiology]

For any of you who think guns kill people: YOUR STUPID Guns don't kill people people kill people and that's all their is to it. Plus if someone wanted to kill someone they could just as easily hit them with a car or drowned them.

wanna bet?
I'll try to kill you with a gun, and you try to drown me.

[Fireye]

For any of you who think guns kill people: YOUR STUPID Guns don't kill people people kill people and that's all their is to it. Plus if someone wanted to kill someone they could just as easily hit them with a car or drowned them. So pretty much ban water, cars and oh... everything else on earth because anything can be and probably has been used as a weapon.

Stop. Helping. Please!

[Sociobiology]

Source?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... ta-table-8
3.8%, still stupidly low. 'Assault Weapons', per the title of the thread, account for a minority of this minority of homicides, compared to the 6220 of 8583 firearms homicides committed with handguns.

here is another source for the same.
http://bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF
page four has it broken down by type, the only firearm used in crime less than rifles is shotguns.

[Lolzieristan]

For any of you who think guns kill people: YOUR STUPID Guns don't kill people people kill people and that's all their is to it. Plus if someone wanted to kill someone they could just as easily hit them with a car or drowned them.

wanna bet?
I'll try to kill you with a gun, and you try to drown me.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED


Anyway, did you just unintentionally advocate the validity of firearms ownership as a tool of self-defense? I think you did.

EDIT: Then again, you might have done it intentionally. Haven't been paying attention, you might be a pro-gun fellow as well.

[Sociobiology]

wanna bet?
I'll try to kill you with a gun, and you try to drown me.

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED


Anyway, did you just unintentionally advocate the validity of firearms ownership as a tool of self-defense? I think you did.

I have before...
I never said they could not be used for it, just that requiring permit to purchase a firearm does not impede that use.

oh and how many did Rambo drown how many did he shoot..., even your quips hurt your argument.