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Should Assault Weapons be banned?

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Postby The united imperial sector » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:36 am

Ovisterra wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
No it does not. Since you cannot eliminate the predatory instinct in man entirely, then the right of the average citizen to guns as a means of self defense outweigh the negatives.


Why do you think less guns will mean more death?

If it dosnt lead to less death it will lead to more gruesume deaths like in sted of mass shootings we will have mass stabings and sword fights.

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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:36 am

Cosara wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
Why do you think less guns will mean more death?


You don't get it do you? Criminals don't obey the law! They'll just buy guns illegally, and use them to kill people.


Which is why the UK has just as many gun deaths as the US, right?
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Postby Tule » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:36 am

No.

Assault weapons are no more dangerous in Mass shootings than a 100 year old Mauser rifle or a pump-action shotgun.
The highest consistent rate of fire in Mass shootings is generally about 15 rounds per minute.
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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:36 am

The united imperial sector wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
Why do you think less guns will mean more death?

If it dosnt lead to less death it will lead to more gruesume deaths like in sted of mass shootings we will have mass stabings and sword fights.


Source that countries with less guns have more stabbings?
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:37 am

Ovisterra wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
No it does not. Since you cannot eliminate the predatory instinct in man entirely, then the right of the average citizen to guns as a means of self defense outweigh the negatives.


Why do you think less guns will mean more death?


Did I say that it did? Since the only people who are disarmed by gun-control measures are the law-abiding, then banning guns leaves only them defenseless. And gun violence is not the only reason for having/using a gun in self defense. Hammers, knives and bare hands kill and maim as well.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:38 am

Cosara wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
Why do you think less guns will mean more death?


You don't get it do you? Criminals don't obey the law! They'll just buy guns illegally, and use them to kill people.

Guns don't grow on trees. Where will they get them from?
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Postby Cosara » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:38 am

Ovisterra wrote:
Cosara wrote:
You don't get it do you? Criminals don't obey the law! They'll just buy guns illegally, and use them to kill people.


Which is why the UK has just as many gun deaths as the US, right?


They forcefully took you weapons and if you were caught with one, you were sent to prison. If they tried that here, there would be a full scale civil war.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:39 am

Wikkiwallana wrote:
Cosara wrote:
You don't get it do you? Criminals don't obey the law! They'll just buy guns illegally, and use them to kill people.

Guns don't grow on trees. Where will they get them from?


The 300 million or so that are already out there would be a good source.

Edit: and an attack by a gun-wielding criminal is not the only reason for the defensive use of a gun.
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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:39 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
Why do you think less guns will mean more death?


Did I say that it did?


No, no. But you heavily implied it. Excuse me if I misinterpreted you.

Since the only people who are disarmed by gun-control measures are the law-abiding, then banning guns leaves only them defenseless.


In theory, yes. In practice, countries with gun bans have much, much lower rates of gun deaths.

And gun violence is not the only reason for having/using a gun in self defense. Hammers, knives and bare hands kill and maim as well.


What have hammers got to do with guns? If there's a high risk of being robbed with a hammer, carry a hammer.
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Postby The united imperial sector » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:40 am

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The united imperial sector wrote:If it dosnt lead to less death it will lead to more gruesume deaths like in sted of mass shootings we will have mass stabings and sword fights.


Source that countries with less guns have more stabbings?

I dont need a source use common sense if someone whants to kill someone then they can use anything to do it with banning guns just dosnt just make murders and crime disapere.

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Postby Republica Newland » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:40 am

Divair wrote:
Cosara wrote:3) We need guns so that we can defend ourselves against a tyrannical government.

Not going to take a side, but this is just BS. How will a tyrannical government take over the US? And how would a rifle help against a trained army, an air force, tanks, and a navy?


Ask the Arabs.
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Postby Republica Newland » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:41 am

The united imperial sector wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
Source that countries with less guns have more stabbings?

I dont need a source use common sense if someone whants to kill someone then they can use anything to do it with banning guns just dosnt just make murders and crime disapere.


There is no common sense around here pal.
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Postby Divair » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:41 am

Republica Newland wrote:Ask the Arabs.

Libya's army is totally comparable to the USA's.


Seems legit.

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Postby The united imperial sector » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:41 am

Republica Newland wrote:
The united imperial sector wrote:I dont need a source use common sense if someone whants to kill someone then they can use anything to do it with banning guns just dosnt just make murders and crime disapere.


There is no common sense around here pal.

True enought but I can at least try.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:42 am

Ovisterra wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Did I say that it did?


No, no. But you heavily implied it. Excuse me if I misinterpreted you.

Since the only people who are disarmed by gun-control measures are the law-abiding, then banning guns leaves only them defenseless.


In theory, yes. In practice, countries with gun bans have much, much lower rates of gun deaths.

And gun violence is not the only reason for having/using a gun in self defense. Hammers, knives and bare hands kill and maim as well.


What have hammers got to do with guns? If there's a high risk of being robbed with a hammer, carry a hammer.


No, If you are at risk of being attacked with a hammer (or knife or someones bare hands) then you should have the ability to put down the attacker in the most efficient, safest (to the victim) manner possible: with a gun.
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Postby Alekera » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:42 am

Ovisterra wrote:
The united imperial sector wrote:If it dosnt lead to less death it will lead to more gruesume deaths like in sted of mass shootings we will have mass stabings and sword fights.


Source that countries with less guns have more stabbings?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9efqhGBHZI

Note: it does not directly talk about stabbing, but merely, the overall amount of crime.
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Postby Ponderosa » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:43 am

Divair wrote:
Ponderosa wrote:It's better to have a gun than no gun at all.

In one situation, you might live. The other you end up dead. So no, it's not better.

Yes, it is. What are you even trying to say here?

Divair wrote:
Ponderosa wrote:
So we don't need rifles anyway? Cool.

Yes, we still need them. When fighting a war, it's always better to have more guns.

Divair wrote:
Ponderosa wrote:I'm not saying that the US government will attack its own citizens anytime soon. But history has shown us that it is a possibility, and we need to be prepared.


What? When did the US kill US citizens in large numbers?


Why don't you ask the Native Americans? Why don't you ask the slaves? Why don't you ask the Japanese Americans who were imprisoned during WW2? America has had its share of oppression and genocide. It can happen again. And don't say we need to wait until it starts happening again to think about getting our guns back.
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Postby Republica Newland » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:44 am

Divair wrote:
Republica Newland wrote:Ask the Arabs.

Libya's army is totally comparable to the USA's.


Seems legit.


The USA obviously being a 3rd world shitholey authoritarian country as the Arab states used to be,would totally use more force than the Arabs did.

Seems legit.
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Postby Policydebateftw » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:44 am

Sadly, Banning assault rifles probably won't push down the rate of murders(There are already so many in circulation, it likely can't be stopped) I do lol at everyone saying the U.S. governement is going to take us over.
a) do you really think any larger number of politicians/generals would support such a thing
b) 1930s germany comparison is invalid, that was literally the most unstable democracy at the time
c)My semi-automatic rifle is really going to stop that tank

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Postby Divair » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:44 am

Republica Newland wrote:
Divair wrote:Libya's army is totally comparable to the USA's.


Seems legit.


The USA obviously being a 3rd world shitholey authoritarian country as the Arab states used to be,would totally use more force than the Arabs did.

Seems legit.

So you're saying it's a bullshit argument anyway? Good to know.





Man, this gets repetitive.

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Postby Republica Newland » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:45 am

Ovisterra wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Did I say that it did?


No, no. But you heavily implied it. Excuse me if I misinterpreted you.

Since the only people who are disarmed by gun-control measures are the law-abiding, then banning guns leaves only them defenseless.


In theory, yes. In practice, countries with gun bans have much, much lower rates of gun deaths.

And gun violence is not the only reason for having/using a gun in self defense. Hammers, knives and bare hands kill and maim as well.


What have hammers got to do with guns? If there's a high risk of being robbed with a hammer, carry a hammer.


I.. can't even..

"Carry a hammer" is the apogee of gun control wisdom. Much like "buy a dog". NS is turning into a meme factory.
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Postby Republica Newland » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:47 am

Divair wrote:
Republica Newland wrote:
The USA obviously being a 3rd world shitholey authoritarian country as the Arab states used to be,would totally use more force than the Arabs did.

Seems legit.

So you're saying it's a bullshit argument anyway? Good to know.





Man, this gets repetitive.


Yes it does. With you gun control folks repeatedly failing to understand that how much muscle the US military has is completely irrelevant. The more drastic the measures,the more military will defect. Simple as that. Proven fact.
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Postby Alekera » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:47 am

Republica Newland wrote:
Ovisterra wrote:
No, no. But you heavily implied it. Excuse me if I misinterpreted you.



In theory, yes. In practice, countries with gun bans have much, much lower rates of gun deaths.



What have hammers got to do with guns? If there's a high risk of being robbed with a hammer, carry a hammer.


I.. can't even..

"Carry a hammer" is the apogee of gun control wisdom. Much like "buy a dog". NS is turning into a meme factory.


Or in the words of Joe Biden "Buy a shotgun... buy a shotgun!"

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Postby Divair » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:48 am

Republica Newland wrote:you gun control folks

I suppose you just conveniently ignored the part where I didn't take sides, right?

Republica Newland wrote:Yes it does. With you gun control folks repeatedly failing to understand that how much muscle the US military has is completely irrelevant
The more drastic the measures,the more military will defect. Simple as that. Proven fact.

So you don't need rifles because the theoretical tyrannical government can't do anything. Cool. Thanks for proving my point.

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Postby Republica Newland » Sun Mar 03, 2013 11:49 am

Alekera wrote:
Republica Newland wrote:
I.. can't even..

"Carry a hammer" is the apogee of gun control wisdom. Much like "buy a dog". NS is turning into a meme factory.


Or in the words of Joe Biden "Buy a shotgun... buy a shotgun!"


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