Should Assault Weapons be banned?

[Ponderosa]

Exactly when the pepole are unarmed the goverment has all the power over them completly.

The USA's military is so powerful they have power over you anyway. What are you going to do, shoot down a bomber with a rifle?

It's better to have a gun than no gun at all. Besides, if the US government went tyrannical, who's to say that the entire military would side with the federal government?

I'm not saying that the US government will attack its own citizens anytime soon. But history has shown us that it is a possibility, and we need to be prepared.

[Union of Democratic Socialists]

Ban Assault Rifles.


It also didn't completely ban all assault weapons now did it. By the way how many people die from machine guns. . . that's right 0 because machine guns are banned.


Assualt rifles account for about 100% of deaths in mass shootings. In total I would bet close to 70% of gun deaths are related to drugs and money. Although I don't think the movie theater shooting or the Newtown shooting was because of drugs or money.


Okay you use an AR-15 and the government will use an M1-A1 tank. You'll be fucking screwed.

Machine guns are not banned.

Yes they are. They have been since the 20s or 30s.

[Thafoo]

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Uh-C-ssCvNU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUh-C-ssCvNU

this could be a metaphor

got near bottom paged

[Big Jim P]

The term seems to be extremely loose and used selectively by both sides for their own benefit.

Just ban guns full stop.

No. Doing so will not make them dissappear magically and even if it did there is still the recreational use, (and more importantly) the defensive need for firearms.

[The united imperial sector]

Then how do explain the current situation then huh? You relize they just signed a bill to allow predator drones to patrol the skyies around major U.S cities right?

Do those drones have missiles?

They can be armed with them. And why do they need war machiens to patrol American air spaced do they think terroist are going to launch a surprise air raid?

[Divair]

It's better to have a gun than no gun at all.

In one situation, you might live. The other you end up dead. So no, it's not better.

Besides, if the US government went tyrannical, who's to say that the entire military would side with the federal government?

So we don't need rifles anyway? Cool.

I'm not saying that the US government will attack its own citizens anytime soon. But history has shown us that it is a possibility, and we need to be prepared.

What? When did the US kill US citizens in large numbers?

[Big Jim P]

Machine guns are not banned.

Yes they are. They have been since the 20s or 30s.

No they were not. With a $200 transfer tax and a few other hoops to go through I can legally purchase a machine gun.

[Ovisterra]

The USA's military is so powerful they have power over you anyway. What are you going to do, shoot down a bomber with a rifle?

It's better to have a gun than no gun at all. Besides, if the US government went tyrannical, who's to say that the entire military would side with the federal government?

I'm not saying that the US government will attack its own citizens anytime soon. But history has shown us that it is a possibility, and we need to be prepared.

But wait, what if the federal government turns tyrannical at the same time North Korea attacks the US with nukes, so the US can't fire back? Citizens will need nuclear weapons. It's unlikely, but we must be prepared.

[The united imperial sector]

It's better to have a gun than no gun at all.

In one situation, you might live. The other you end up dead. So no, it's not better.

Besides, if the US government went tyrannical, who's to say that the entire military would side with the federal government?

So we don't need rifles anyway? Cool.

I'm not saying that the US government will attack its own citizens anytime soon. But history has shown us that it is a possibility, and we need to be prepared.

What? When did the US kill US citizens in large numbers?[/quoth
He didnt say U.S history. He ment world wide.

[Union of Democratic Socialists]

The USA's military is so powerful they have power over you anyway. What are you going to do, shoot down a bomber with a rifle?

It's better to have a gun than no gun at all. Besides, if the US government went tyrannical, who's to say that the entire military would side with the federal government?

I'm not saying that the US government will attack its own citizens anytime soon. But history has shown us that it is a possibility, and we need to be prepared.

Yes there is a posibility that the US government will run us over with tanks and blow us up with drones. Although that chance is less than Germany invading the rest of Europe again, so I think we are safe.

[Ovisterra]

The term seems to be extremely loose and used selectively by both sides for their own benefit.

Just ban guns full stop.

No. Doing so will not make them dissappear magically and even if it did there is still the recreational use, (and more importantly) the defensive need for firearms.

The benefits of reduced gun use outweigh the downsides.

[NFA Rulz]

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How easy it is to define a weapon and order something BANNED. It's a joke, but...

Albany, New York February 1, 2013

After learning that more people in the United States are killed each year by hammers than by military styled assault weapons, New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced today that he will institute an assault hammer ban in New York, effective immediately.

An Assault Hammer is defined as, “Any striking device with a handle made of wood, metal or fiberglass with a length of at least 8 inches, a metal head with a weight of 16 ounces or greater, and one or more sharp or pointy things opposite the metal striking surface.” Hammers falling under the newly defined Assault Hammer classification include many types of Claw hammers, Shingler’s hammers, Drywall hammers and Bricklayer’s hammers. Tack hammers and certain types of Ball Peen hammers are excluded from the ban provided they do not contain any of the banned Assault Hammer characteristics. New York residents may continue to purchase and possess hammers, but they must not weigh more than eleven and one half ounces and must not have sharp or pointy things opposite the striking surface as defined in the ban.

Also banned immediately are pneumatic automatic nail guns. These automatic nail guns typically contain multi-nail high capacity “clips” and deadly nails can be fired from these guns as quickly as one can pull the trigger. Gov. Cuomo said, “No one needs these high capacity clip fully automatic nail guns. I’m a hammer owner. I’ve nailed before. I own an old Stanley ball peen hammer that was given to me by my grandfather. It doesn’t take more than two nails to stick a couple of 2” x 4”s together.”

Cuomo continued, “Homeowners and handymen have no legitimate need for Assault Hammers. We need common sense hammer legislation that will keep our children and our communities safe. Assault Hammers are very dangerous weapons and the use of these destructive devices should be limited to those skilled individuals professionally trained in the operation of these devices.”

The initial language of the ban restricts the definition of “skilled individuals” to card-carrying New York State union carpenters, although Cuomo was open to the possibility of slightly expanding this definition to include some other construction trades after careful review and debate.

Addressing concerns of some in the audience who currently own the newly banned Assault Hammers, Cuomo stated, “This is not about confiscation. We are not looking to take away anyone’s right to hammer. You will just not be able to purchase new hammers after today. Current owners of Assault Hammers make keep them, but they will have to be registered with the NY State police by May 1st, 2014. In addition, current Assault Hammer owners may continue to use them, but they must be operated by the owner’s non-dominate hand.”

[The united imperial sector]

No. Doing so will not make them dissappear magically and even if it did there is still the recreational use, (and more importantly) the defensive need for firearms.

The benefits of reduced gun use outweigh the downsides.

Can I move to LALA land with you?

[Divair]

He didnt say U.S history. He ment world wide.

When in modern history did a developed government attempt to kill a huge chunk of the people and ended up being stopped by citizens with rifles?

[The united imperial sector]

He didnt say U.S history. He ment world wide.

When in modern history did a developed government attempt to kill a huge chunk of the people and ended up being stopped by citizens with rifles?

They werent stoped becaues the citizens didnt have rifles.

[Wikkiwallana]

Do those drones have missiles?

They can be armed with them.

And a police officer can be armed with a bazooka. Are they?

And why do they need war machiens to patrol American air spaced do they think terroist are going to launch a surprise air raid?

Drones are not inherently war machines. They are planes with no one inside them. That's it.

[Ovisterra]

Do those drones have missiles?

They can be armed with them. And why do they need war machiens to patrol American air spaced do they think terroist are going to launch a surprise air raid?

Predator drones are primarily used against ground targets, so it has fuck all to do with air raids.

Anyway, care to source this bill?

[Big Jim P]

No. Doing so will not make them dissappear magically and even if it did there is still the recreational use, (and more importantly) the defensive need for firearms.

The benefits of reduced gun use outweigh the downsides.

No it does not. Since you cannot eliminate the predatory instinct in man entirely, then the right of the average citizen to guns as a means of self defense outweigh the negatives.

[Divair]

They werent stoped becaues the citizens didnt have rifles.

Answer the rest of the question.


I'll give you a hint: No modern country has had a government attempt to kill people in large numbers. Nor would rifles have stopped a military of a modern country.

[Ovisterra]

The benefits of reduced gun use outweigh the downsides.

Can I move to LALA land with you?

Truly the quality of your rhetoric knows no bounds. Who needs actual arguments or sources or logic when we can have "witty" soundbites?

[The united imperial sector]

They can be armed with them. And why do they need war machiens to patrol American air spaced do they think terroist are going to launch a surprise air raid?

Predator drones are primarily used against ground targets, so it has fuck all to do with air raids.

Anyway, care to source this bill?

No I cant source it but look it up on youtube maybe or just on the internet then maybe youll find out more about it.

[Ovisterra]

The benefits of reduced gun use outweigh the downsides.

No it does not. Since you cannot eliminate the predatory instinct in man entirely, then the right of the average citizen to guns as a means of self defense outweigh the negatives.

Why do you think less guns will mean more death?

[Ovisterra]

Predator drones are primarily used against ground targets, so it has fuck all to do with air raids.

Anyway, care to source this bill?

No I cant source it but look it up on youtube maybe or just on the internet then maybe youll find out more about it.

If you can't source it, then we have to assume you're lying.

[Grinning Dragon]

Machine guns are not banned.

Yes they are. They have been since the 20s or 30s.

No they are not.
What happened in the 30's gave us that god awful NFA.

A full auto firearm must be transferred through a firearms dealer that is licensed as a "Class III" dealer. You must apply to the Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. You must meet the same requirements as those to buy any other firearm (age, criminal record, etc). The application, together with a $200 tax fee, a completed fingerprint card, and approval from your local law enforcement is submitted to the BATFE. When approved the BATFE returns the paperwork to you and the dealer, and you can pick up your firearm.

[Cosara]

No it does not. Since you cannot eliminate the predatory instinct in man entirely, then the right of the average citizen to guns as a means of self defense outweigh the negatives.

Why do you think less guns will mean more death?

You don't get it do you? Criminals don't obey the law! They'll just buy guns illegally, and use them to kill people.