The real face of the European Union

[Nightkill the Emperor]

This brightened my day.

[Ethel mermania]

I'm not crazy i have proof of that i did a test for test and the Results were that I was normal and I'm still normal.

I have no idea what you just said.

never saw the big bang theory, eh?

[Ethel mermania]

the cm was not created by nazi's.

that said, you could make the arguement that pre war german economists would be in favor of the EU and expect it to be german dominated. (based upon germany's larger population, and greater levels of industrial production than the rest of europe).

[Empire of Vlissingen]

Germany can't help it OP, she's Europe's core. Any such European superstate would naturally be built around her.

I would rather die than too live in an superstate where billions of euro go to companies who lobby.

[The Blaatschapen]

the cm was not created by nazi's.

that said, you could make the arguement that pre war german economists would be in favor of the EU and expect it to be german dominated. (based upon germany larger population, and greater levels of industrial production in europe).

A very hypothetical argument though. Why care about what some dead people from another era would think about the situation now?

[Ethel mermania]

the cm was not created by nazi's.

that said, you could make the arguement that pre war german economists would be in favor of the EU and expect it to be german dominated. (based upon germany larger population, and greater levels of industrial production in europe).

A very hypothetical argument though. Why care about what some dead people from another era would think about the situation now?

the op was about what people from that other era did. which is why i included it.

i like history, and try to see things from a longer perspective, and i think part of that is "what would they think"?, and where do these ideas come from?

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

Germany can't help it OP, she's Europe's core. Any such European superstate would naturally be built around her.

I would rather die than too live in an superstate where billions of euro go to companies who lobby.

So pessimistic. If that upsets you that much, go ahead I guess. I think you could be more constructive, but your call.

[Neu Leonstein]

i like history, and try to see things from a longer perspective, and i think part of that is "what would they think"?, and where do these ideas come from?

The idea came from: if we need heavy industry to build tanks and guns to shoot at each other, then if we link those industries closer together, it'll be harder to build tanks and guns and maybe we won't shoot at each other anymore.

[Hurdegaryp]

i like history, and try to see things from a longer perspective, and i think part of that is "what would they think"?, and where do these ideas come from?

The idea came from: if we need heavy industry to build tanks and guns to shoot at each other, then if we link those industries closer together, it'll be harder to build tanks and guns and maybe we won't shoot at each other anymore.

Many European nations are perfectly capable of manufacturing military hardware, but most of them are also members of NATO. Cooperation is better than conflict, after all.

[Immoren]

Germany can't help it OP, she's Europe's core. Any such European superstate would naturally be built around her.

all shall fear and respect sister germany's boobs

[Estovakia 13]

lol SATWA.

Is it even feasible for Europe to Federate now? The only way I see a European Federation is when resources like energy are low. Nations will have to join together and form new superstates to cope with the situation. Obviously this is crazy and wont happen in our life time. For all we know this superstates would come about by war.

[The Korrelian Union]

i like history, and try to see things from a longer perspective, and i think part of that is "what would they think"?, and where do these ideas come from?

The idea came from: if we need heavy industry to build tanks and guns to shoot at each other, then if we link those industries closer together, it'll be harder to build tanks and guns and maybe we won't shoot at each other anymore.

In essence, the ECSC were the first building blocks of a EU Military Industrial Complex

Anyway Euroscepticism is on the rise throughout Europe. Not unexpectedly though - after ignoring referenda rejecting the Lisbon treaty and the systemic clusterfuck the €uro turned out to be, I kinda understand people being critical. It's too bad that the loudest critics are figures like that Vlissingen dude, otherwise the criticism might've lead to something more constructive.

[Juristonia]

The idea came from: if we need heavy industry to build tanks and guns to shoot at each other, then if we link those industries closer together, it'll be harder to build tanks and guns and maybe we won't shoot at each other anymore.

In essence, the ECSC were the first building blocks of a EU Military Industrial Complex

Anyway Euroscepticism is on the rise throughout Europe. Not unexpectedly though - after ignoring referenda rejecting the Lisbon treaty and the systemic clusterfuck the €uro turned out to be, I kinda understand people being critical. It's too bad that the loudest critics are figures like that Vlissingen dude, otherwise the criticism might've lead to something more constructive.

Amen.

I'm pretty eurosceptic (at least the way it's being done now) but guys like that screaming over everybody just kills any chance of a reasonable debate.
But then I guess it's in line with Wilders and his cronies way of "debating".

[The Korrelian Union]

Amen.

I'm pretty eurosceptic (at least the way it's being done now) but guys like that screaming over everybody just kills any chance of a reasonable debate.
But then I guess it's in line with Wilders and his cronies way of "debating".

I've grown more Eurosceptic over time. I think that the EU is a fundamentally good idea in a multipolar geopolitical future. How the hell is a nation like the Netherlands going to defend its interests against massive upcoming states like China and India? China would ROFL. But when the EU makes a move, it carries the weight of half a billion people and the world's biggest economy - words will be heard a lot sooner. The same principle applies to a shit hits the fan situation: have fun defeating an EU army.

But it's going to be hard to get past nationalism. Each country in the EU has a centuries long history and is not eager to transfer souvereignty to the EU, and you can't blame them. Neither is the EU acting as something people would want to be proud of in a nationalist kinda way - the perception is that there's no connection between the people and the rulers. Add to that the Euro clusterfuck and you have the current situation.

If you ask me the EU should stop for a second. Fix the current problems with the current institutions and bridge the gap between the institutions and the people. Stop trying to get the nations to transfer more souvereignty to the EU, because Europeans feel we get this union shoved down our throats.

[Ethel mermania]

i like history, and try to see things from a longer perspective, and i think part of that is "what would they think"?, and where do these ideas come from?

The idea came from: if we need heavy industry to build tanks and guns to shoot at each other, then if we link those industries closer together, it'll be harder to build tanks and guns and maybe we won't shoot at each other anymore.

the idea of a european superstate dominated by germany predates the second world war.

[Samuraikoku]

Sounds like a Call of Duty script.

[Veceria]

Sounds like a Call of Duty script.

Psssh, spoilers!

[Samuraikoku]

Sounds like a Call of Duty script.

Psssh, spoilers!

Modern Warfare 4, once they make it.

[The Blaatschapen]

The idea came from: if we need heavy industry to build tanks and guns to shoot at each other, then if we link those industries closer together, it'll be harder to build tanks and guns and maybe we won't shoot at each other anymore.

the idea of a european superstate dominated by germany predates the second world war.

The Franks were Germanic *nods*

[Ethel mermania]

i think the common market was an excellent idea. i think the eu is a bad idea.

[Ethel mermania]

the idea of a european superstate dominated by germany predates the second world war.

The Franks were Germanic *nods*

the gaul of some people.

[Empire of Vlissingen]

i think the common market was an excellent idea. i think the eu is a bad idea.

The common market was good but the Euro was implented too fast.

[Risottia]

If you ask me the EU should stop for a second. Fix the current problems with the current institutions and bridge the gap between the institutions and the people. Stop trying to get the nations to transfer more souvereignty to the EU, because Europeans feel we get this union shoved down our throats.

Bridge the gap - that is, eliminate the Council of the EU AND the European Council, and have an elected Senate as second house of the European Parliament instead.
Then transfer to the EU all competences about foreign affairs, industrial standards, labour regulations, banking, criminal law and military.

[Empire of Vlissingen]

If you ask me the EU should stop for a second. Fix the current problems with the current institutions and bridge the gap between the institutions and the people. Stop trying to get the nations to transfer more souvereignty to the EU, because Europeans feel we get this union shoved down our throats.

Bridge the gap - that is, eliminate the Council of the EU AND the European Council, and have an elected Senate as second house of the European Parliament instead.
Then transfer to the EU all competences about foreign affairs, industrial standards, labour regulations, banking, criminal law and military.

That would be better but we need to keep our souvereignty or else we will die from these spending cuts.

[The Archregimancy]

Locked for review.

Edit:
Given the nature of the OP and much of the subsequent discussion, I'm keeping this locked as much for the OP's protection as for everyone else's protection. I can't see substantive serious discussion resulting from this given the number of joke posts.

And for the record, all of you assuming that the OP is British... by his own admission he's Dutch.