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Postby Hysnit » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:01 pm

Absolutist result theory is a new concept, not one that you can Google or do research on. I am interested to hear what the philosophers and debaters of NSG have to think about it. Here it is:

1. Every action has a result
2. This result is absolute and unchangeable unless another action is take upon it.
3. This secondary action may be anything ranging from the physical (i.e. hitting) to the psychological (i.e. telling yourself to calm down) to the abstract (i.e. time) to almost anything else.

Essentially it's almost like Newton's First Law of Motion: "Every object in a state of uniform motion tends to remain in that state of motion unless an external force is applied to it." In this case, the result of the hypothetical situation is the object within the law, and the secondary action within the hypothetical situation is the external force within the law.

Let me know what you think, and I hope to have a civil and interesting discussion.

It's quite interesting to try and apply it to almost anything you can think of, and you might be able to make it work. However, it's not really relevant for anything life-changing. It's just something interesting to think about for now.
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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:02 pm

Explain to me how this is at all new.
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Postby The Corparation » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:04 pm

How is this a new concept?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:04 pm

"Stuff happens, then doesn't, unless it does".

Mind. Blown.

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Postby Hysnit » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:04 pm

Xathranaar wrote:Explain to me how this is at all new.

Show me a source of someone presenting it as a separate theory of action as an abstract concept, please.
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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:05 pm

Hysnit wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:Explain to me how this is at all new.

Show me a source of someone presenting it as a separate theory of action as an abstract concept, please.

Determinism?
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:06 pm

You took Newton's first law, changed a few words, and are now trying to pass it off as a new philosophical school of thought?
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Postby Hysnit » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:06 pm

Ifreann wrote:"Stuff happens, then doesn't, unless it does".

Mind. Blown.

Not exactly.
"Stuff happens, then cannot change, unless other stuff happens."
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:06 pm

Hysnit wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:Explain to me how this is at all new.

Show me a source of someone presenting it as a separate theory of action as an abstract concept, please.

It's not a "theory of action", it's a weird restatement of what the words "action" and "result" mean.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:07 pm

Hysnit wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"Stuff happens, then doesn't, unless it does".

Mind. Blown.

Not exactly.
"Stuff happens, then cannot change, unless other stuff happens."

I believe the appropriate response is "Well duh".

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Postby Hysnit » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:07 pm

Aggicificicerous wrote:You took Newton's first law, changed a few words, and are now trying to pass it off as a new philosophical school of though?

It's not taken from Newton's first law, it's developed separately and then compared to the law. And I'm not trying to pass it off as "a new philosophical school of thought." It's merely an interesting theory to think about.
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Postby Nadkor » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:07 pm

Hysnit wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"Stuff happens, then doesn't, unless it does".

Mind. Blown.

Not exactly.
"Stuff happens, then cannot change, unless other stuff happens."


And...you think this is new?!

Fucking hell.
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Postby Aggicificicerous » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:09 pm

Hysnit wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:You took Newton's first law, changed a few words, and are now trying to pass it off as a new philosophical school of though?

It's not taken from Newton's first law, it's developed separately and then compared to the law. And I'm not trying to pass it off as "a new philosophical school of thought." It's merely an interesting theory to think about.


It would be more interesting if it were actually new or original.

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Postby Grand Britannia » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:09 pm

Hi there zombie Newton.

Hate to break it to ya bud, but we already know your stuff.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:10 pm

The Double Slit Experiment would like a word with you.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:11 pm

Hysnit wrote:
Aggicificicerous wrote:You took Newton's first law, changed a few words, and are now trying to pass it off as a new philosophical school of though?

It's not taken from Newton's first law, it's developed separately and then compared to the law. And I'm not trying to pass it off as "a new philosophical school of thought." It's merely an interesting theory to think about.

You do the word "theory" a great disservice.

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Postby Hysnit » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:12 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Hysnit wrote:Show me a source of someone presenting it as a separate theory of action as an abstract concept, please.

It's not a "theory of action", it's a weird restatement of what the words "action" and "result" mean.

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Hysnit wrote:Not exactly.
"Stuff happens, then cannot change, unless other stuff happens."


And...you think this is new?!

Fucking hell.


I think the confusion here is that this theory is meant to apply to all action in an abstract sense. Hypothetical motion, etc. It's kind of tough to explain, but it basically boils down to things being in an absolute state unless acted upon. I know it seems pretty damn obvious, and most of it is, but thinking about it in an abstract sense is what makes it interesting in my opinion.

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Hysnit wrote:Show me a source of someone presenting it as a separate theory of action as an abstract concept, please.

Determinism?

Close, I suppose, but not exactly. This theory applies to everything, while determinism applies to only certain situations from my understanding of it.
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:14 pm

Please stop abusing the word "theory" like that.
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Postby Nadkor » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:14 pm

Please stop calling it a theory.
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Postby Nadkor » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:15 pm

Wikkiwallana wrote:Please stop abusing the word "theory" like that.


Damn you.
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Postby Hysnit » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:16 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Hysnit wrote:It's not taken from Newton's first law, it's developed separately and then compared to the law. And I'm not trying to pass it off as "a new philosophical school of thought." It's merely an interesting theory to think about.

You do the word "theory" a great disservice.

Wikkiwallana wrote:Please stop abusing the word "theory" like that.

Nadkor wrote:Please stop calling it a theory.



From Merriam Webster, the definition of theory:
"abstract thought : speculation."
That's precisely what this is.
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Postby The Corparation » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:16 pm

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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:18 pm

Hysnit wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"Stuff happens, then doesn't, unless it does".

Mind. Blown.

Not exactly.
"Stuff happens, then cannot change, unless other stuff happens."


I guess this is the kind of redundant nonsense I deserve to read for being awake at 5:17 am.
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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:18 pm

Hysnit wrote:
Ifreann wrote:It's not a "theory of action", it's a weird restatement of what the words "action" and "result" mean.

Nadkor wrote:
And...you think this is new?!

Fucking hell.


I think the confusion here is that this theory is meant to apply to all action in an abstract sense. Hypothetical motion, etc. It's kind of tough to explain, but it basically boils down to things being in an absolute state unless acted upon. I know it seems pretty damn obvious, and most of it is, but thinking about it in an abstract sense is what makes it interesting in my opinion.

Xathranaar wrote:Determinism?

Close, I suppose, but not exactly. This theory applies to everything, while determinism applies to only certain situations from my understanding of it.

Err... no. Determinism applies to everything, it just happens to be wrong on certain scales. Which is to say that your... umm... theory, is wrong.
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Postby Stuckenburg » Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:19 pm

Sounds like the same reason that makes me believe time travel in almost 100% of the cases would destroy the universe.
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