Would you date a transgender?

[Choronzon]

You never would have been assaulted if we had just permanently marked your body.

Of course, of course! Just like how the jews were marked, right?

It kept them safe didn't it?

[Nadkor]

Warning: I've only read the OP.

I won't date someone who's had a sex change. I'm just not attracted to them.

Not even a little bit?

[Oterro]

Not a real man, not a real woman.

what's a real man
what's a real woman

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

Warning: I've only read the OP.

I won't date someone who's had a sex change. I'm just not attracted to them.

are you gay?

Yup He just told us so.

[The Blaatschapen]

Warning: I've only read the OP.

I won't date someone who's had a sex change. I'm just not attracted to them.

are you gay?

No.

And not my type.

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

Of course, of course! Just like how the jews were marked, right?

It kept them safe didn't it?

Absolutely. They just had to bake some bread, that's all.

[The Blaatschapen]

Warning: I've only read the OP.

I won't date someone who's had a sex change. I'm just not attracted to them.

Not even a little bit?

Again, not my type

[Xathranaar]

Not a real man, not a real woman.

what's a real man
what's a real woman

From what popular culture has informed me, it has to do with the number of roads one has walked down, and being curvaceous/sultry, respectively.

[Oterro]

No.

you have some fantasy archtype which transgender women cannot fulfill.

[Ifreann]

indeed. otherwise i might kiss a transwoman and that might make me gay and i don't wanna be gay guys

What if a man was really bothered and killed himself because he felt that way? It would personally sicken me (although I would not kill myself). It is very unfair to the other person.

What if a trans person is really bothered and killed themselves because their partner dumped them on learned that they're transgendered? It is very unfair to the trans person.

A tatoo should be required (a T on the forehead which could be covered with bangs) if somebody wishes for that surgery. This might decrease people wishing to get the surgery and decrease transgenders. It will also decrease mistaken relationship gender misunderstandings.

A tattoo should be required(a B on the forehead) if someone wants to restrict the rights of trans people based on bigoted nonsense. This might decrease the number of bigots(doubtful, though). It will also decrease relationship misunderstandings based on thinking that someone wasn't a bigot.

Transgenders will not get murdered if they tell before any physical actions have taken place. Laughed at, yes but not murdered. I would be happier if the shemale told me before I kissed it than after.

Bigots won't get murdered...well...ever. I mean, when was the last time someone got murdered for being a bigot?

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Warning: I've only read the OP.

I won't date someone who's had a sex change. I'm just not attracted to them.

Not even a little bit?

...
I'll fight you for her.

[Xathranaar]

No.

you have some fantasy archtype which transgender women cannot fulfill.

Well... I actually do, two in point of fact, but I'm pretty sure I could pretend.

[Nadkor]

Not even a little bit?

Again, not my type

Who is your type then?

[The Blaatschapen]

No.

you have some fantasy archtype which transgender women cannot fulfill.

Archtype? What's that?

[Rocopurr]

Warning: I've only read the OP.

I won't date someone who's had a sex change. I'm just not attracted to them.

Not even a little bit?

I want. 0.0

What's her name?

[The Steel Magnolia]

No, you can't. Sex is a genetic characteristic; no amount of cosmetic surgery and hormone therapy will change it.

Actually that's not true.

There are, more or less, three definitions of sex used in biology: genetic sex, gonadal sex, and phenotypic sex.

Genetic sex is the ~chromosomes~ one. In mammals, the Y chromosome normally contains a gene named SRY, which is the main trigger that causes a fetus to begin developing along a male pathway. Occasionally, due to random errors in the process of copying DNA, an SRY gene can fall off a Y chromosome or even jump over to an X chromosome: this is one of the ways you get people with XX chromosomes who develop physically as male, or people with XY chromosomes who develop physically as female. (There are other ways too, related to other genetic or environmental factors.) Now, the thing about genetic sex is that it's not actually used all that often by working biologists outside of the field of molecular genetics -- there's usually no point looking at chromosomes if what you're interested in is anatomy or biochemistry. So chromosomal sex is by no means the final word on whether we call an organism "male" or "female".

Gonadal sex is probably the one that gets used most often by biologists when they're identifying whether the unfortunate little critter they've just dissected is male or female: it's whether an animal has testes, ovaries, or something in between. While we don't yet have the technology to give trans women ovaries or trans men testes, long-term hormone therapy does render the birth gonads mostly non-functional, and of course they can also be surgically removed.

Phenotypic sex is the one that's of most interest to you and me in our daily lives. It refers to the development of sexually dimorphic characteristics, such as genital organs, and facial and body hair. It's mostly influenced by sex hormones, and there's a great deal that modern medicine can do to bring a trans person's sexual characteristics closer to their target sex than their birth sex. Phenotypic sex is just as biologically valid a definition of sex as the other two, and unless you're planning to either perform medical procedures on someone or have kids with them, it's the only one that's likely to have much relevance to you when you interact with other people.

Finally, we humans add an extra layer on top of all this, which we call gender. Gender includes all of the standards that are used in a society to differentiate men from women (and other genders, in cultures or subcultures that recognise more than two genders). Some of the characteristics by which people are categorised into one gender or another are related to phenotypic sex, but others are purely behavioural -- dress, grooming and so on. There are differences between gender expression and gender, but we won't get into that now.

So when it comes to how we decide whether to call someone a man or a woman, chromosomes are really a very small part of the story. After all, societies were categorising people into genders long before chromosomes were even discovered, and we easily discern whether people are men or women every day without it even occurring to us to look at their chromosomes first.

I wrote this up for nothing didn't I.

[Nadkor]

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Not even a little bit?

...
I'll fight you for her.

You would definitely win, since I don't think she's into girls.

Much to my disappointment.

[Oterro]

you have some fantasy archtype which transgender women cannot fulfill.

Well... I actually do, two in point of fact, but I'm pretty sure I could pretend.

i'm working under the assumption no one likes vaginas because oh wow they're monstrous.

[The Blaatschapen]

Again, not my type

Who is your type then?

You

It's hard to specify actually. Some women get me going, some do not.

[Choronzon]

I wrote this up for nothing didn't I.

I think you know the answer to that.

[Nadkor]

Not even a little bit?

I want. 0.0

What's her name?

Nong Poy.

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

I wrote this up for nothing didn't I.

Yup. Thanks for trying though.

[Baiynistan]

Would I date a transgender girl (post-op)? Hmm, let's see...

(Alicia Liu)

Umm, YEAH!!

I might, however, be a little uncomfortable with dating a transgender person who is pre-op though. Wouldn't stop me being in a platonic relationship with them though.

[Veceria]

you have some fantasy archtype which transgender women cannot fulfill.

Archtype? What's that?

The type of your Arch. Gothic, Baroque, ...

[Meryuma]

That is life. Full of confusion. I found this gorgeous girl in Thailand. We snogged, well we more than snogged. I asked her to marry me, she said yes. We got married on a pineapple strewn beach. On the first night of the honeymoon she takes off all her clothes and it turns out she's a bloke called Duane.

crossdressers ≠ trans people.

No. It's a male in a identity crisis.

That is somewhat true of trans men, yes, but not trans women.

it's main basis is the intention of... fertility

What about menopausal women? What about people in overpopulated countries?

On top of that I'd never be attracted to one anyway.

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Warning: I've only read the OP.

I won't date someone who's had a sex change. I'm just not attracted to them.

are you gay?

Is she a transwoman or a crossdresser? In either case, she's attractive.

Holy crap. He calls transsexuals "it" (emphasis mine).

Not a real man, not a real woman. 'It' is the proper pronoun to use.

^
It obviously doesn't know what it's talking about. You can't really expect much legitimate insight from it in this conversation.

I will refer to you as "it" for the rest of the thread, and possibly other threads as well.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I wrote this up for nothing didn't I.

You posted on NSG. I'm pretty sure everything here's for nothing, and I'm not even a nihilist.