Would you date a transgender?

[Souseiseki]

What if I told you that studies have shown similarities in brain structure between MtFs and cisgendered women, and differences between MtFs and cisgendered men in those same areas?

It makes sense. I'm not denying that people who undergo sex-changes are mentally normal, but I don't think surgery is the best way to go to help them. This is the only field I know of where plastic surgery is the cure for a mental problem and I find it appalling that mental therapy isn't even considered to help people come to terms with how they view themselves.

We've tried not giving transgender people surgery. The resulting extreme depression caused a needless loss of quality of life, and in many cases, even suicide. Surgery is by far, the best route for many transgender individuals.

If therapy won't help them, then surgery would be the only way to go, but I do think that should be the last resort. If you don't like therapy, you can simply stop. If you don't like the cosmetic change, you can't change back. I've heard way too many horror stories of people getting sex changes and not improving mentally afterwards. It's the same idea for women who get breast implants or face-lifts to improve their self-esteem. Studies show that they were not happier afterwards either.

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No. It's a male in a identity crisis.

lol it's

where do i even start

[Camelza]

No. It's a male in a identity crisis.

lol it's

where do i even start

Political incorectness is over 9000!

[Ifreann]

It'd still be gender essentialist bullshit.

E: By which I mean saying the brain chemistry is similar like it means something. It undercuts our fucking point.

True, but if Rere wants observed scientific justifications for gender not being sex, I figured that was as good as anything else I knew of.

This is the guy who thinks that gingko biloba trees are women. Don't count on science changing his mind.

[Person012345]

You must not know psychology at all then, because their are various fields that focus on the purely scientifc area of pshycology, such as behaviorism.

Someone on NS doesn't know what they're talking about?

Colour me shocked.

[Nidaria]

Certainly not, I shall do my best to see that I am careful in whom I date. There is more to marriage than "love," it's main basis is the intention of fidelity, fertility, and good will.

[Jessjohnesik]

Certainly not, I shall do my best to see that I am careful in whom I date. There is more to marriage than "love," it's main basis is the intention of fidelity, fertility, and good will.

Prove it and source?

[Camelza]

Certainly not, I shall do my best to see that I am careful in whom I date. There is more to marriage than "love," it's main basis is the intention of fidelity, fertility, and good will.

dating =/= marriage
...in the 21st century at least.

[Desperate Measures]

True, but if Rere wants observed scientific justifications for gender not being sex, I figured that was as good as anything else I knew of.

This is the guy who thinks that gingko biloba trees are women. Don't count on science changing his mind.

It's a woman to me, too.

That is one sexy tree.

[Ifreann]

Certainly not, I shall do my best to see that I am careful in whom I date. There is more to marriage than "love," it's main basis is the intention of fidelity, fertility, and good will.

Don't fret, sooner or later science will take care of the issue of fertility entirely.

[Camelza]

This is the guy who thinks that gingko biloba trees are women. Don't count on science changing his mind.

It's a woman to me, too.

That is one sexy tree.

Mmmm, I'd water her any time.

[Ifreann]

This is the guy who thinks that gingko biloba trees are women. Don't count on science changing his mind.

It's a woman to me, too.

That is one sexy tree.

I believe in miracles,
Where you from?
You sexy tree?

[Yue-Laou]

No, I wouldn't. The second he tells me he's a trans all attraction would be gone. On top of that I'd never be attracted to one anyway.

[Ifreann]

No, I wouldn't. The second he tells me he's a trans all attraction would be gone.

Doubt that.

On top of that I'd never be attracted to one anyway.

Doubt that more.

[Highwell]

Transgender doesn't necessarily mean that a person was born male or female and decided to switch. It's actually much, much more complicated. Transgender is kind of an umbrella term for all types of "non-traditional" gender roles. If you're up for a little light reading, I suggest wikipedia. Although, it's confusing as hell.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender

To answer the question, yes, I would date somebody who identified as transgender if we had a connection. However, I do anticipate that there could be serious complications. Because what if they decided to have gender reassignment surgery? As a gay man, it would be very jarring for me to suddenly be dating a woman. But I might be able to work it out if my partner were understanding enough.

[Desperate Measures]

No, I wouldn't. The second he tells me he's a trans all attraction would be gone. On top of that I'd never be attracted to one anyway.

Tell me how you'd know beforehand.

[Camelza]

No, I wouldn't. The second he tells me he's a trans all attraction would be gone. On top of that I'd never be attracted to one anyway.

Tell me how you'd know beforehand.

Transense. *nods*

[Liberated Antarctica]

Yes. The most meaningful of relationships would prioritize the essence of an individual over the temporal body of an individual.

To be transgender, to simplify matters slightly, is to disagree with the gender you were assigned at birth by others, for whatever reason. I do not see this as being a big issue. Certainly not something worthy of breaking up a social relationship over -- unless, of course, you were a bigot.

[Desperate Measures]

Tell me how you'd know beforehand.

Transense. *nods*

Like which one was born male?

[Grenartia]

No. It's a male in a identity crisis.

Got a peer-reviewed scientific source to back that bullshit claim up with? Also, referring to somebody as an 'it'. That's classy.

Well if the transgender person just simply identified themselves as being a different gender and didn't and does not want to get a sex change, then yes I would date that person. If the person did or does want to have a sex change then no I won't date that person.

Why does it matter if they're transitioning or not?

Care to tell us why?

I don't know. I just wouldn't. I'd rather date a guy.

Ok.

You must not know psychology at all then, because their are various fields that focus on the purely scientifc area of pshycology, such as behaviorism.

Someone on NS doesn't know what they're talking about?

Colour me shocked.

We don't have that color. We do have magenta, however.

1. Certainly not, I shall do my best to see that I am careful in whom I date. 2. There is more to marriage than "love," it's main basis is the intention of fidelity, fertility, and good will.

1. Just so long as you don't beat/rape/kill a trans* person if you find out you're dating one.

2. I don't really see the relevance of that to this discussion. Its like talking about driving when everybody else is talking about tacos.

Tell me how you'd know beforehand.

Transense. *nods*

Is that anything like a Spidey-sense? If so, does it tingle?

[Ifreann]

Transense. *nods*

Like which one was born male?

Seeing as the first one is 201111209-satohtrans-04.jpg, imma guess her.

[Grenartia]

Like which one was born male?

Seeing as the first one is 201111209-satohtrans-04.jpg, imma guess her.

I didn't even have to LOOK at filenames to know it was her.

[Auralia]

No, because I don't believe you can actually change your sex.

You can.

No, you can't. Sex is a genetic characteristic; no amount of cosmetic surgery and hormone therapy will change it.

[Tsuntion]

You can.

No, you can't. Sex is a genetic characteristic; no amount of cosmetic surgery and hormone therapy will change it.

You actually check the chromosomes of every person you consider dating and won't go out with them if they're not a perfect XX/XY in line with their appearance?

[Camelza]

Transense. *nods*

Like which one was born male?

My transense says it's the first one, being also the hottest one.

[Ifreann]

Seeing as the first one is 201111209-satohtrans-04.jpg, imma guess her.

I didn't even have to LOOK at filenames to know it was her.

Yes, we're all impressed at your tireless work to stalk all the women on the internet.

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Like which one was born male?

My transense says it's the first one, being also the hottest one.

Not a bad rule of thumb in these situations.