Would you date a transgender?

[Des-Bal]

oh never mind you're NOT on point :/

Sure I am, just not your point. I find that when someone disagrees with me it's generally because they're wrong.

[Desperate Measures]

Yes, I realize this.

Words are just sounds. they have no objective meanings. Any meaning we say a word has, is subjectively applied by the individual. Which means a word can have, in truth, an number of different meanings at any given time. All meanings for all words are equally valid. It could be to someone that every word means the same thing, meaning every word is the same word.

Which means there is no relevant, objective distinction from word to word, that would allow us to declare them to have any semblance of being real. They're a socially constructed tool, for the purpose of trying to communicate ideas. But they aren't real. Without the society, they lose all meaning. A perfect example of this is ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics.

He speaks true, Eckhart Tolle writes about this quite a bit in one of his books. you guys should read it, very enlightening.

Oh, God. If one more person suggests that I read Tolle, I'll be slightly more sad about what people choose to read.

[New England and The Maritimes]

oh never mind you're NOT on point :/

Sure I am, just not your point. I find that when someone disagrees with me it's generally because they're wrong.

That's funny coming from someone who has no grasp of logic and therefore no possible way to objectively determine what is correct and what isn't by any realistic measure.

[The Emperor Fenix]

And what does that have to do with being attracted to her or wanting to date her? I can't suddenly start seeing someone's genetic code just by spending time with people. Is there something wrong with me?

Neither can I. I'd be attracted, I'd want to date her, and once I became aware of her genetic code I'd stop doing both of those things.

Why ? Are you so sure that having established that you want to date this person, you'd stop doing it because of a facet of them that is invisible to you and clearly didn't quash the possibility of attraction before you became aware of it.

Woops just read you last past, not actually interested in hearing your answer after all.

oh never mind you're NOT on point :/

Sure I am, just not your point. I find that when someone disagrees with me it's generally because they're wrong.

That specifically is disqualifying from any continued discussion.

[Mont Vol]

Not even if they're really hot? Not all MtF are big butch females. Is it this irrational emotional perspective that some people have (and I can accept fine, so long as they admit it is irrational) that because she used to be a man therefore she has man-cooties or whatever it is you guys don't like that somehow lingers?

hahah no. But if you examined "her" DNA it would come back as male, the truth cant be irrational

that IS irrational because why does her assigned sex at birth matter? that isn't what she is now. and i've actually never seen a "big butch" MtF, ever.

[Person012345]

Not even if they're really hot? Not all MtF are big butch females. Is it this irrational emotional perspective that some people have (and I can accept fine, so long as they admit it is irrational) that because she used to be a man therefore she has man-cooties or whatever it is you guys don't like that somehow lingers?

hahah no. But if you examined "her" DNA it would come back as male, the truth cant be irrational

So your weirded out by her DNA which you will never ever see or experience at all in any way? How is that rational? You would not possibly experience it and it would have absolutely no effect on your life with her at all.

Like I say, admit your fear of dating someone purely because of something that there is no way of possibly affecting you is irrational and we're good.

[Aurora Novus]

No see I made my point, proved I was right

Judged by whom?

You?

Oh my, I'm convinced.

and then you started talking in circles and jacking the thread.

Not at all.

This whole discussion has been about how gender, and self-identification, is utterly meaningless. What it means to be a man or a woman changes from person to person, sometimes being the exact same thing. Just like words.

Which makes the distinction then, inherently meaningless.

The only difference between words and gender is that, at least with words, we try and socially agree on only a certain number of subjective meanings for a sound, so as to communicate ideas.

But with gender, we simply say "it's whatever you make of it". Meaning we have no idea what it means to be a man or a woman in any given context. We have n way to even begin to guess at what it means from person to person. Which makes the distinction, in addition to being meaningless, also incredibly useless and harmful.

Then I recognized that every other person you've interacted with in this discussion has experienced the exact same thing so I shot you down with a one word response.

You didn't "shoot me down". You just refused to provide a counter-argument, and answer my questions. That's not victory; that's ignorance.

[Imperiatom]

He speaks true, Eckhart Tolle writes about this quite a bit in one of his books. you guys should read it, very enlightening.

Oh, God. If one more person suggests that I read Tolle, I'll be slightly more sad about what people choose to read.

Just get it out the way then. read it i dare you!

[Desperate Measures]

Not even if they're really hot? Not all MtF are big butch females. Is it this irrational emotional perspective that some people have (and I can accept fine, so long as they admit it is irrational) that because she used to be a man therefore she has man-cooties or whatever it is you guys don't like that somehow lingers?

hahah no. But if you examined "her" DNA it would come back as male, the truth cant be irrational

So by your reasoning you would have sex with a sheep if it had been to a hospital and changed into a woman?

How is her conversational ability? That could make or break the deal.

[Des-Bal]

Sure I am, just not your point. I find that when someone disagrees with me it's generally because they're wrong.

That's funny coming from someone who has no grasp of logic and therefore no possible way to objectively determine what is correct and what isn't by any realistic measure.

I find it funny that you haven't walked into traffic yet because the words on the crosswalk signs didn't actually mean anything.

[Desperate Measures]

Oh, God. If one more person suggests that I read Tolle, I'll be slightly more sad about what people choose to read.

Just get it out the way then. read it i dare you!

...oh

[Person012345]

And what does that have to do with being attracted to her or wanting to date her? I can't suddenly start seeing someone's genetic code just by spending time with people. Is there something wrong with me?

Neither can I. I'd be attracted, I'd want to date her, and once I became aware of her genetic code I'd stop doing both of those things.

Why? Like I said, no problem if you're willing to admit it's an irrational emotional reaction to be grossed out by the news. Just don't pretend that there's some sort of logical reason for doing so.

[Mont Vol]

Not even if they're really hot? Not all MtF are big butch females. Is it this irrational emotional perspective that some people have (and I can accept fine, so long as they admit it is irrational) that because she used to be a man therefore she has man-cooties or whatever it is you guys don't like that somehow lingers?

So by your reasoning you would have sex with a sheep if it had been to a hospital and changed into a woman?

sheep aren't humans.

[Des-Bal]

Why ? Are you so sure that having established that you want to date this person, you'd stop doing it because of a facet of them that is invisible to you and clearly didn't quash the possibility of attraction before you became aware of it.

Yes.

[Pillea]

Neither can I. I'd be attracted, I'd want to date her, and once I became aware of her genetic code I'd stop doing both of those things.

Why? Like I said, no problem if you're willing to admit it's an irrational emotional reaction to be grossed out by the news. Just don't pretend that there's some sort of logical reason for doing so.

Didn't you know? If you use a sciencey word like DNA logic is obviously on your side no matter what.

[Imperiatom]

hahah no. But if you examined "her" DNA it would come back as male, the truth cant be irrational

So your weirded out by her DNA which you will never ever see or experience at all in any way? How is that rational? You would not possibly experience it and it would have absolutely no effect on your life with her at all.

Like I say, admit your fear of dating someone purely because of something that there is no way of possibly affecting you is irrational and we're good.

Thats my point the part of you that wants kids is the genetic reproduction telling you not to go there through your subconscious mind.

[Person012345]

So by your reasoning you would have sex with a sheep if it had been to a hospital and changed into a woman?

I posed myself a similar question when it was a cow, and yes. If they have been fully changed into a functional human being, then yes. If there is anything overtly sheep about her, then that could break it. Impaired mental function would be a tangible reason to drop her, for example. But if, in every way she had become human apart from "DNA", then absolutely I would.

[Des-Bal]

Why? Like I said, no problem if you're willing to admit it's an irrational emotional reaction to be grossed out by the news. Just don't pretend that there's some sort of logical reason for doing so.

The logic is that I'm attracted to the opposite sex. I don't consider it irrational at all.

[Person012345]

So your weirded out by her DNA which you will never ever see or experience at all in any way? How is that rational? You would not possibly experience it and it would have absolutely no effect on your life with her at all.

Like I say, admit your fear of dating someone purely because of something that there is no way of possibly affecting you is irrational and we're good.

Thats my point the part of you that wants kids is the genetic reproduction telling you not to go there through your subconscious mind.

No, this wasn't about your "kids" point. This was about you being weirded out by it. If you want to drop that and go back to the only reason being kids, then fine.

[The Emerald Dawn]

So by your reasoning you would have sex with a sheep if it had been to a hospital and changed into a woman?

I posed myself a similar question when it was a cow, and yes. If they have been fully changed into a functional human being, then yes. If there is anything overtly sheep about her, then that could break it. Impaired mental function would be a tangible reason to drop her, for example. But if, in every way she had become human apart from "DNA", then absolutely I would.

What if she had the occasional tendency to accentuate the first part of "Bariometer"?

[Imperiatom]

So by your reasoning you would have sex with a sheep if it had been to a hospital and changed into a woman?

sheep aren't humans.

thats the point you would not know because she looked like a woman, but if you did a test and found out she was a sheep what would you do?

[Person012345]

Why? Like I said, no problem if you're willing to admit it's an irrational emotional reaction to be grossed out by the news. Just don't pretend that there's some sort of logical reason for doing so.

The logic is that I'm attracted to the opposite sex. I don't consider it irrational at all.

So you're attracted not to how someone looks, or their personality, or anything. You're attracted to their DNA? Their sexy, sexy DNA?

I call BS.

[Des-Bal]

So your weirded out by her DNA which you will never ever see or experience at all in any way? How is that rational? You would not possibly experience it and it would have absolutely no effect on your life with her at all.

Like I say, admit your fear of dating someone purely because of something that there is no way of possibly affecting you is irrational and we're good.

Thats my point the part of you that wants kids is the genetic reproduction telling you not to go there through your subconscious mind.

Jesus Christ you use words badly.
Counter-question, would you date a sterile woman.

[Des-Bal]

The logic is that I'm attracted to the opposite sex. I don't consider it irrational at all.

So you're attracted not to how someone looks, or their personality, or anything. You're attracted to their DNA? Their sexy, sexy DNA?

I call BS.

No I'm absolutely attracted to those things DNA is however an absolute prerequisite.

[Person012345]

I posed myself a similar question when it was a cow, and yes. If they have been fully changed into a functional human being, then yes. If there is anything overtly sheep about her, then that could break it. Impaired mental function would be a tangible reason to drop her, for example. But if, in every way she had become human apart from "DNA", then absolutely I would.

What if she had the occasional tendency to accentuate the first part of "Bariometer"?

Idk, could be a cute quirk. Would depend.