Would you date a transgender?

[Des-Bal]

That's not an answer.

Yes it is.

[Aurora Novus]

Pretty sure this nifty thing called the Rosetta Stone caused Egyptology to flourish far after Kemet.

And seriously, if you are going to argue that words, literally our means of communication have no meaning, you best avoid using words to do it, or you're disproving your point.

You're missing the point.

Ancient egyptian hieroglyphics were unintelligible in terms of understanding the ideas the people who wrote them wanted to communicate, until we began to gather pieces of that particular culture's history. If their hieroglyphics, their words, were objective in meaning, we wouldn't need to do that. Without the culture from which they came, they lost their "meaning", because their meaning was subjectively defined.

[EnragedMaldivians]

Again, you are literally arguing that words have no meaning. Do you realise this?

Yes, I realize this.

Words are just sounds. they have no objective meanings. Any meaning we say a word has, is subjectively applied by the individual. Which means a word can have, in truth, an number of different meanings at any given time. All meanings for all words are equally valid. It could be to someone that every word means the same thing, meaning every word is the same word.

Which means there is no relevant, objective distinction from word to word, that would allow us to declare them to have any semblance of being real. They're a socially constructed tool, for the purpose of trying to communicate ideas. But they aren't real. Without the society, they lose all meaning. A perfect example of this is ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics.

Again, in other words, those meanings don't exist but for the objective fact that people have given them meanings. And, again, people have given them meanings.

You've taken the "insight" that some things are constructed based on social consensus and taken it to some bizarre post-modernist extreme - that nothing socially constructed can exist. You are truly arguing one of the stupidest arguments I have ever encountered on NSG. I guess it serves me right for indulging the derail.

[New England and The Maritimes]

That's not an answer.

Yes it is.

No, it isn't. You've conveyed literally no information. I can say "I WANT MY KIDS TO GROW UP IN A TRADITIONAL FAMILY!" but I'm just talking gibberish without explaining what a "traditional family" is. I'm not saying anything, I'm not answering any questions.

[Des-Bal]

i supose the biggest reason i would not date one is because of having ones own family, that's why i tied it into genetic mutations/ evolution.

You shouldn't have because it's both irrelevant and makes no fucking sense.

[Mont Vol]

Why does self-identification have to be explained in order to be respected?

[Pillea]

Pretty sure this nifty thing called the Rosetta Stone caused Egyptology to flourish far after Kemet.

And seriously, if you are going to argue that words, literally our means of communication have no meaning, you best avoid using words to do it, or you're disproving your point.

You're missing the point.

Ancient egyptian hieroglyphics were unintelligible in terms of understanding the ideas the people who wrote them wanted to communicate, until we began to gather pieces of that particular culture's history. If their hieroglyphics, their words, were objective in meaning, we wouldn't need to do that. Without the culture from which they came, they lost their "meaning", because their meaning was subjectively defined.

If anyone, anyone in this entire thread, is missing the point, it's you.

[Imperiatom]

Yeah messed up because whilst statistically almost impossible it is a possibility. Maybe i should have been clear at the start that that is why i could not do that plus i do quite like the idea of my own kids. obviously this supports the idea that LGBT people are born that way, not turned by the devil as christians might say.

What do you mean "statistical almost impossibility"?

Why not just say that you would not because you want children in a totally traditional way for whatever reason, but that if that were not a concern you would? Or do you have some other opinion on the subject that I'm not getting.

Well also to me they were born as a man so personally would not be attractive to me.

[Des-Bal]

Yes it is.

No, it isn't. You've conveyed literally no information. I can say "I WANT MY KIDS TO GROW UP IN A TRADITIONAL FAMILY!" but I'm just talking gibberish without explaining what a "traditional family" is. I'm not saying anything, I'm not answering any questions.

No see it is. It conveys how you self-identify. That's all it needs to do. The other bullshit you're trying to drag into this is irrelevant.

[Mont Vol]

i supose the biggest reason i would not date one is because of having ones own family, that's why i tied it into genetic mutations/ evolution.

You shouldn't have because it's both irrelevant and makes no fucking sense.

this. you're totally on point in this thread

[New England and The Maritimes]

Why does self-identification have to be explained in order to be respected?

Why should I "pay my respects" to something that has no meaning? What is the purpose?

[Aurora Novus]

Yes, we already have. It's how you self-identify. Which then devolved into this ridiculous argument about the meaning of words.

Self-identify as what? What does being a "man" mean? Can it mean the same thing as being a "woman"? If it is self-identification, then yes, it can. Meaning a "man" and a "woman" could be the exact same thing.

Making the distinction, utterly meaningless, useless, and void.

[Mont Vol]

What do you mean "statistical almost impossibility"?

Why not just say that you would not because you want children in a totally traditional way for whatever reason, but that if that were not a concern you would? Or do you have some other opinion on the subject that I'm not getting.

Well also to me they were born as a man so personally would not be attractive to me.

you were born as a baby, why should people be attracted to you?

[Person012345]

What do you mean "statistical almost impossibility"?

Why not just say that you would not because you want children in a totally traditional way for whatever reason, but that if that were not a concern you would? Or do you have some other opinion on the subject that I'm not getting.

Well also to me they were born as a man so personally would not be attractive to me.

Not even if they're really hot? Not all MtF are big butch females. Is it this irrational emotional perspective that some people have (and I can accept fine, so long as they admit it is irrational) that because she used to be a man therefore she has man-cooties or whatever it is you guys don't like that somehow lingers?

[Des-Bal]

Yes, we already have. It's how you self-identify. Which then devolved into this ridiculous argument about the meaning of words.

Self-identify as what? What does being a "man" mean? Can it mean the same thing as being a "woman"? If it is self-identification, then yes, it can. Meaning a "man" and a "woman" could be the exact same thing.

Making the distinction, utterly meaningless, useless, and void.

Nope.

[Imperiatom]

Again, you are literally arguing that words have no meaning. Do you realise this?

Yes, I realize this.

Words are just sounds. they have no objective meanings. Any meaning we say a word has, is subjectively applied by the individual. Which means a word can have, in truth, an number of different meanings at any given time. All meanings for all words are equally valid. It could be to someone that every word means the same thing, meaning every word is the same word.

Which means there is no relevant, objective distinction from word to word, that would allow us to declare them to have any semblance of being real. They're a socially constructed tool, for the purpose of trying to communicate ideas. But they aren't real. Without the society, they lose all meaning. A perfect example of this is ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics.

He speaks true, Eckhart Tolle writes about this quite a bit in one of his books. you guys should read it, very enlightening.

[Des-Bal]

Not even if they're really hot? Not all MtF are big butch females. Is it this irrational emotional perspective that some people have (and I can accept fine, so long as they admit it is irrational) that because she used to be a man therefore she has man-cooties or whatever it is you guys don't like that somehow lingers?

I consider her male based on her genetics regardless of how she self-identifies or appears.

[Aurora Novus]

Nope.

I always love it when people are pushed to a point where they know they are wrong, bu refuse to admit it, so they simply stop making counter-arguments, and become bullheaded.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Nope.

I always love it when people are pushed to a point where they know they are wrong, bu refuse to admit it, so they simply stop making counter-arguments, and become bullheaded.

It really proves their hypothesis that nobody is as unfathomably intelligent as they are.

[Person012345]

Not even if they're really hot? Not all MtF are big butch females. Is it this irrational emotional perspective that some people have (and I can accept fine, so long as they admit it is irrational) that because she used to be a man therefore she has man-cooties or whatever it is you guys don't like that somehow lingers?

I consider her male based on her genetics regardless of how she self-identifies or appears.

And what does that have to do with being attracted to her or wanting to date her? I can't suddenly start seeing someone's genetic code just by spending time with people. Is there something wrong with me?

[Mont Vol]

Not even if they're really hot? Not all MtF are big butch females. Is it this irrational emotional perspective that some people have (and I can accept fine, so long as they admit it is irrational) that because she used to be a man therefore she has man-cooties or whatever it is you guys don't like that somehow lingers?

I consider her male based on her genetics regardless of how she self-identifies or appears.

oh never mind you're NOT on point :/

[Des-Bal]

Nope.

I always love it when people are pushed to a point where they know they are wrong, bu refuse to admit it, so they simply stop making counter-arguments, and become bullheaded.

No see I made my point, proved I was right, and then you started talking in circles and jacking the thread. Then I recognized that every other person you've interacted with in this discussion has experienced the exact same thing so I shot you down with a one word response. If you want to do the whole song and dance again go back three pages and reread everything.

[Imperiatom]

Well also to me they were born as a man so personally would not be attractive to me.

Not even if they're really hot? Not all MtF are big butch females. Is it this irrational emotional perspective that some people have (and I can accept fine, so long as they admit it is irrational) that because she used to be a man therefore she has man-cooties or whatever it is you guys don't like that somehow lingers?

hahah no. But if you examined "her" DNA it would come back as male, the truth cant be irrational

So by your reasoning you would have sex with a sheep if it had been to a hospital and changed into a woman?

[The Emerald Dawn]

I always love it when people are pushed to a point where they know they are wrong, bu refuse to admit it, so they simply stop making counter-arguments, and become bullheaded.

No see I made my point, proved I was right, and then you started talking in circles and jacking the thread. Then I recognized that every other person you've interacted with in this discussion has experienced the exact same thing so I shot you down with a one word response. If you want to do the whole song and dance again go back three pages and reread everything.

And the wheel, turns round....

[Des-Bal]

I consider her male based on her genetics regardless of how she self-identifies or appears.

And what does that have to do with being attracted to her or wanting to date her? I can't suddenly start seeing someone's genetic code just by spending time with people. Is there something wrong with me?

Neither can I. I'd be attracted, I'd want to date her, and once I became aware of her genetic code I'd stop doing both of those things.