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Los Malvinas Son Peruano
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Postby Los Malvinas Son Peruano » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:21 pm

No señor, I would not even if I knew it before dating. The idea that it was a man is disgusting to me.

Also, I would like biological children with a women that is my partner. Thank you.

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Postby Person012345 » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:21 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:403 Forbidden.

Which seems appropriate.

Shit, let me fix that

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Postby Grenartia » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:22 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:Holy crap. He calls transsexuals "it" (emphasis mine).


Not a real man, not a real woman. 'It' is the proper pronoun to use.


'It' refers to INANIMATE OBJECTS. NOT PEOPLE. Also, science disagrees with the underlined claim.

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Xathranaar wrote:From what popular culture has informed me, it has to do with the number of roads one has walked down, and being curvaceous/sultry, respectively.


The body parts we were born with.

Hermaphordites are tricky. 'It' might be acceptable. 'It' is fine if you don't know the gender, I have used it to describe babies I was unsure of. I believe the grammar police will allow it.


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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:22 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:From what popular culture has informed me, it has to do with the number of roads one has walked down, and being curvaceous/sultry, respectively.


The body parts we were born with.

Hermaphordites are tricky. 'It' might be acceptable. 'It' is fine if you don't know the gender, I have used it to describe babies I was unsure of. I believe the grammar police will allow it.

Your view lacks all nuance.

What would you possibly say to someone with androgen insensitivity syndrome?
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Postby Grenartia » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:24 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
The body parts we were born with.

Hermaphordites are tricky. 'It' might be acceptable. 'It' is fine if you don't know the gender, I have used it to describe babies I was unsure of. I believe the grammar police will allow it.

Your view lacks all nuance.

What would you possibly say to someone with androgen insensitivity syndrome?


I think you'd have to provide a link or explanation for what it is.
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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:25 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:From what popular culture has informed me, it has to do with the number of roads one has walked down, and being curvaceous/sultry, respectively.


The body parts we were born with.

Hermaphordites are tricky. 'It' might be acceptable. 'It' is fine if you don't know the gender, I have used it to describe babies I was unsure of. I believe the grammar police will allow it.

Oh, so babies = it. That tells me so much about you.
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Postby Scholencia » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:25 pm

Los Malvinas Son Peruano wrote:No señor, I would not even if I knew it before dating. The idea that it was a man is disgusting to me.

Also, I would like biological children with a women that is my partner. Thank you.

+Like

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Postby Nadkor » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:25 pm

Choronzon wrote:
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It seems really fetishizing to me. And I don't know why people think that's okay.

I think its just a coincidence that most of them happen to be Asian.


I'm not sure if that's true, it's probably more that the transwomen people are most familiar with are the "Ladyboys of Bangkok", etc.
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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:26 pm

Los Malvinas Son Peruano wrote:No señor, I would not even if I knew it before dating. The idea that it was a man is disgusting to me.

Also, I would like biological children with a women that is my partner. Thank you.

Here comes another one.
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Postby Oterro » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:26 pm

Scholencia wrote:
Los Malvinas Son Peruano wrote:No señor, I would not even if I knew it before dating. The idea that it was a man is disgusting to me.

Also, I would like biological children with a women that is my partner. Thank you.

+Like

can you fuck off if you're just going to ignore everyone calling you out on being silly and only respond to things you agree with

or find a forum with a circle jerk button that isn't "Reply"?
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Postby Urmanian » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:26 pm

Los Malvinas Son Peruano wrote:Also, I would like biological children with a women that is my partner. Thank you.

So, you would end the relationship if you found out that your female partner is infertile? I don't know, sounds a bit selfish to me.
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Postby Meryuma » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:27 pm

Los Malvinas Son Peruano wrote:No señor, I would not even if I knew it before dating. The idea that it was a man is disgusting to me.

Also, I would like biological children with a women that is my partner. Thank you.


There it goes, prattling off on things it knows nothing about...

Have you talked to Freihet Reich? I feel you and it would make great pals.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:27 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
The body parts we were born with.

Hermaphordites are tricky. 'It' might be acceptable. 'It' is fine if you don't know the gender, I have used it to describe babies I was unsure of. I believe the grammar police will allow it.


Firstly, it's intersex, secondly, "they' is an acceptable gender neutral pronoun. 'It' is dehumanizing.


'It' is talking about one person. 'It' stole my TV (vs. 'They stole my TV) is a different meaning.

Yes, sounds less friendly but done with that intention. We have to discourage people from becoming transgenders. I am for non-taxpayer funded propoganda campaigns discouraging the transgender surgeries.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:28 pm

Grad Duchy of Luxembourg wrote:
Los Malvinas Son Peruano wrote:No señor, I would not even if I knew it before dating. The idea that it was a man is disgusting to me.

Also, I would like biological children with a women that is my partner. Thank you.

Here comes another one.

Are we suddenly the morality police here? Are we required to love everyone and to not have preferences in regards to who I'd want to date? Gah.
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Postby Agymnum » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:28 pm

Urmanian wrote:
Los Malvinas Son Peruano wrote:Also, I would like biological children with a women that is my partner. Thank you.

So, you would end the relationship if you found out that your female partner is infertile? I don't know, sounds a bit selfish to me.


You could always adopt or do artificial insemination of another woman and have her carry your child. Options, people, options.
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Postby Urmanian » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:28 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:Yes, sounds less friendly but done with that intention. We have to discourage people from becoming transgenders. I am for non-taxpayer funded propoganda campaigns discouraging the transgender surgeries.

Why?
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Postby Quelesh » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:28 pm

Rereumrari wrote:gender and sex are the same thing


From Mirriam-Webster:

sex

either of the two major forms of individuals that occur in many species and that are distinguished respectively as female or male especially on the basis of their reproductive organs and structures


gender

the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex


You may notice the difference.

Grenartia wrote:'It' refers to INANIMATE OBJECTS. NOT PEOPLE.


I think that represents a problem with the English language. There is no gender-neutral pronoun that is not derogatory when used to refer to a person. When using pronouns, all people must be referred to as either male or female unless you're willing to risk insulting them by using a pronoun with derogatory connotations. This is especially a problem for genderqueer people. I think there should be a non-derogatory gender-neutral pronoun.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:28 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Firstly, it's intersex, secondly, "they' is an acceptable gender neutral pronoun. 'It' is dehumanizing.


'It' is talking about one person. 'It' stole my TV (vs. 'They stole my TV) is a different meaning.

Yes, sounds less friendly but done with that intention. We have to discourage people from becoming transgenders. I am for non-taxpayer funded propoganda campaigns discouraging the transgender surgeries.

"They" can be used to represent one person if the gender is unknown.

Why? Would you rather they be gay crossdressers?
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Postby Agymnum » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:28 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Firstly, it's intersex, secondly, "they' is an acceptable gender neutral pronoun. 'It' is dehumanizing.


'It' is talking about one person. 'It' stole my TV (vs. 'They stole my TV) is a different meaning.

Yes, sounds less friendly but done with that intention. We have to discourage people from becoming transgenders. I am for non-taxpayer funded propoganda campaigns discouraging the transgender surgeries.


So you want propaganda?

Seriously, propaganda? I thought we were educated enough to understand that propaganda is a bad thing.
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Postby Choronzon » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:29 pm

Nadkor wrote:
Choronzon wrote:I think its just a coincidence that most of them happen to be Asian.


I'm not sure if that's true, it's probably more that the transwomen people are most familiar with are the "Ladyboys of Bangkok", etc.

Yeah, or that.

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Postby Los Malvinas Son Peruano » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:29 pm

Urmanian wrote:
Los Malvinas Son Peruano wrote:Also, I would like biological children with a women that is my partner. Thank you.

So, you would end the relationship if you found out that your female partner is infertile? I don't know, sounds a bit selfish to me.

Nah, then not. I accept it then, but I would not by dating a transsexual

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Los Malvinas Son Peruano wrote:No señor, I would not even if I knew it before dating. The idea that it was a man is disgusting to me.

Also, I would like biological children with a women that is my partner. Thank you.


There it goes, prattling off on things it knows nothing about...

Have you talked to Freihet Reich? I feel you and it would make great pals.


Hello morality police saying things I have to do and what is good and not.

Tell you what, there are some folks who don't like it, accept it, and we are all happy.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:29 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
'It' is talking about one person. 'It' stole my TV (vs. 'They stole my TV) is a different meaning.

Yes, sounds less friendly but done with that intention. We have to discourage people from becoming transgenders. I am for non-taxpayer funded propoganda campaigns discouraging the transgender surgeries.


So you want propaganda?

Seriously, propaganda? I thought we were educated enough to understand that propaganda is a bad thing.

If that's the case, people need to review their education, because that's wrong.

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Postby Oterro » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:29 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:Are we suddenly the morality police here? Are we required to love everyone and to not have preferences in regards to who I'd want to date? Gah.

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Postby Grenartia » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:29 pm

Freiheit Reich wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Firstly, it's intersex, secondly, "they' is an acceptable gender neutral pronoun. 'It' is dehumanizing.


1. 'It' is talking about one person. 'It' stole my TV (vs. 'They stole my TV) is a different meaning.

2. Yes, sounds less friendly but done with that intention. 3. We have to discourage people from becoming transgenders. I am for non-taxpayer funded propoganda campaigns discouraging the transgender surgeries.


1. No. 'They' has legitimate historical usage as a singular pronoun.
2. So you're a bigot (of course, this isn't anything we didn't already know).
3. Why? Will the earth explode or something?
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Postby Choronzon » Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:29 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
'It' is talking about one person. 'It' stole my TV (vs. 'They stole my TV) is a different meaning.

Yes, sounds less friendly but done with that intention. We have to discourage people from becoming transgenders. I am for non-taxpayer funded propoganda campaigns discouraging the transgender surgeries.


So you want propaganda?

Seriously, propaganda? I thought we were educated enough to understand that propaganda is a bad thing.


Well, some of us are anyway.

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