Would you date a transgender?

[Nadkor]

No. It's a male in a identity crisis.

Even FtMs?

That's interesting.

Oh, wait. No.

I meant "bullshit"

Sorry.

[Zottistan]

I don't see why not, I guess.

[Urmanian]

A tatoo should be required (a T on the forehead which could be covered with bangs) if somebody wishes for that surgery. This might decrease people wishing to get the surgery and decrease transgenders. It will also decrease mistaken relationship gender misunderstandings.

are you fucking serious. people must be forcibly branded because of your insecurities?

or, I actually agree - but only if a tattoo on a forehead is also required from conservative nutjobs so normal people could avoid them

Transgenders will not get murdered if they tell before any physical actions have taken place. Laughed at, yes but not murdered.

yes, yes they will. homosexuals are routinely murdered for their sexual orientation; transexuals, who are considered even more "icky" and "wrong" by the society at large, well

[Freiheit Reich]

What if a man was really bothered and killed himself because he felt that way? It would personally sicken me (although I would not kill myself). It is very unfair to the other person.

it'd kinda suck but i'm not sure why you'd kill yourself for being attracted to femininity because the lips they have the Y

A tatoo should be required (a T on the forehead which could be covered with bangs) if somebody wishes for that surgery. This might decrease people wishing to get the surgery and decrease transgenders. It will also decrease mistaken relationship gender misunderstandings.

will it be be a legal requirement

what's the point in branding them if they can just hide it!

Transgenders will not get murdered if they tell before any physical actions have taken place. Laughed at, yes but not murdered.

how naive

The man could push back the hair before kissing to see if there it the infamous 'T', it would work. If there was lying it would be tough to prove though. Revealing it could be required for a marriage license though. Perhaps a question box 'are you a transgender'? and if the box is falsely marked this is grounds for divorce and no money given to the liar.

[Nadkor]

it'd kinda suck but i'm not sure why you'd kill yourself for being attracted to femininity because the lips they have the Y



will it be be a legal requirement

what's the point in branding them if they can just hide it!



how naive

The man could push back the hair before kissing to see if there it the infamous 'T', it would work. If there was lying it would be tough to prove though. Revealing it could be required for a marriage license though. Perhaps a question box 'are you a transgender'? and if the box is falsely marked this is grounds for divorce and no money given to the liar.

How about people who think like you get "C" forcibly tattooed on their foreheads?

You know, for "See You Next Tuesday".

[Choronzon]

The man could push back the hair before kissing to see if there it the infamous 'T', it would work. If there was lying it would be tough to prove though. Revealing it could be required for a marriage license though. Perhaps a question box 'are you a transgender'? and if the box is falsely marked this is grounds for divorce and no money given to the liar.

I'm waiting for the day when you have one idea that isn't completely stupid.

[Souseiseki]

can't you just brand yourself with a C instead? perhaps with also some sort of certification, you know, to start the trend off.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The man could push back the hair before kissing to see if there it the infamous 'T', it would work. If there was lying it would be tough to prove though. Revealing it could be required for a marriage license though. Perhaps a question box 'are you a transgender'? and if the box is falsely marked this is grounds for divorce and no money given to the liar.

I'm waiting for the day when you have one idea that isn't completely stupid.

I hope you have a veeeeeeeeeeery long calendar Choro~

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

Absolutely agreed. I wonder what makes him so sure of his response when he finds out. I, for one, wouldn't be so sure.

These cases are on talk shows so I had the chance to ask myself how I would react. It would be very hurtful, especally if I had sex with it and was married.

Holy crap. He calls transsexuals "it" (emphasis mine).

[The Steel Magnolia]

Actually that's not true.

There are, more or less, three definitions of sex used in biology: genetic sex, gonadal sex, and phenotypic sex.

Genetic sex is the ~chromosomes~ one. In mammals, the Y chromosome normally contains a gene named SRY, which is the main trigger that causes a fetus to begin developing along a male pathway. Occasionally, due to random errors in the process of copying DNA, an SRY gene can fall off a Y chromosome or even jump over to an X chromosome: this is one of the ways you get people with XX chromosomes who develop physically as male, or people with XY chromosomes who develop physically as female. (There are other ways too, related to other genetic or environmental factors.) Now, the thing about genetic sex is that it's not actually used all that often by working biologists outside of the field of molecular genetics -- there's usually no point looking at chromosomes if what you're interested in is anatomy or biochemistry. So chromosomal sex is by no means the final word on whether we call an organism "male" or "female".

Gonadal sex is probably the one that gets used most often by biologists when they're identifying whether the unfortunate little critter they've just dissected is male or female: it's whether an animal has testes, ovaries, or something in between. While we don't yet have the technology to give trans women ovaries or trans men testes, long-term hormone therapy does render the birth gonads mostly non-functional, and of course they can also be surgically removed.

Phenotypic sex is the one that's of most interest to you and me in our daily lives. It refers to the development of sexually dimorphic characteristics, such as genital organs, and facial and body hair. It's mostly influenced by sex hormones, and there's a great deal that modern medicine can do to bring a trans person's sexual characteristics closer to their target sex than their birth sex. Phenotypic sex is just as biologically valid a definition of sex as the other two, and unless you're planning to either perform medical procedures on someone or have kids with them, it's the only one that's likely to have much relevance to you when you interact with other people.

Finally, we humans add an extra layer on top of all this, which we call gender. Gender includes all of the standards that are used in a society to differentiate men from women (and other genders, in cultures or subcultures that recognise more than two genders). Some of the characteristics by which people are categorised into one gender or another are related to phenotypic sex, but others are purely behavioural -- dress, grooming and so on. There are differences between gender expression and gender, but we won't get into that now.

So when it comes to how we decide whether to call someone a man or a woman, chromosomes are really a very small part of the story. After all, societies were categorising people into genders long before chromosomes were even discovered, and we easily discern whether people are men or women every day without it even occurring to us to look at their chromosomes first.

[Stuckenburg]

I am an asexual, so probably not.

[Xathranaar]

I'm a zoophile, so no.

Alright. Would you date a female mountain lion that used to be a male mountain lion?

[Oterro]

I am an asexual, so probably not.

my asexual buddy says some asexuals have life partners they just dont have sex? i dont know it sounded a bit weird to me so maybe not. then again if you dont care about the physicality of your partner then i doubt it'd matter.

I'm a zoophile, so no.

Alright. Would you date a female mountain lion that used to be a male mountain lion?

would he fuck lassy
or the dinosaurs from jurassic park

[The Steel Magnolia]

Scary. Also a good reason for divorce. That is a HUGE secret your spouse kept from you. Transgender people should be honest before any kissing/intimate contact is made in the relationship (first date would be best) for obvious reasons.

I'm sorry are our tongues magical beings now?

...

Well. Mine certainly is. Or so I've been told.

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

Absolutely agreed. I wonder what makes him so sure of his response when he finds out. I, for one, wouldn't be so sure.

To be fair, he didn't even say that he would divorce them, merely that he considers it to be legitimate reason for divorce. I'm not sure that lets you discern that he is sure he would divorce them if it happened to him.

You are right. I'm not just not sure why he is so sure, when he finds out, he would automatically consider it to be a reason for divorce. I wouldn't be so sure of how I would feel if I were in that situation, let alone reasonably assume.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Honestly I do not think transgender people have switched genders.

Well, they haven't.

Since that's not actually what it is. Or, y'know, possible.

Question. Do you actually know what gender is?

[Souseiseki]

I'm a zoophile, so no.

Alright. Would you date a female mountain lion that used to be a male mountain lion?

this gives "i used to be a man" a whole new meaning, that poor lion

e: i know, it is a (bad) joke

[Choronzon]

Honestly I do not think transgender people have switched genders.

Well, they haven't.

Since that's not actually what it is. Or, y'know, possible.

Question. Do you actually know what gender is?

You just had to ask, didn't you?

[The Steel Magnolia]

indeed. otherwise i might kiss a transwoman and that might make me gay and i don't wanna be gay guys

What if a man was really bothered and killed himself because he felt that way? It would personally sicken me (although I would not kill myself). It is very unfair to the other person.

A tatoo should be required (a T on the forehead which could be covered with bangs) if somebody wishes for that surgery. This might decrease people wishing to get the surgery and decrease transgenders. It will also decrease mistaken relationship gender misunderstandings.

Transgenders will not get murdered if they tell before any physical actions have taken place. Laughed at, yes but not murdered. I would be happier if the shemale told me before I kissed it than after.

Are you actually serious.

Literally none of that is remotely true, but hey guys!

Apparently no one will try and kill us as we walk down the street! Quick, someone tell the people who assaulted me! They'll apologize right quick.

[Choronzon]

What if a man was really bothered and killed himself because he felt that way? It would personally sicken me (although I would not kill myself). It is very unfair to the other person.

A tatoo should be required (a T on the forehead which could be covered with bangs) if somebody wishes for that surgery. This might decrease people wishing to get the surgery and decrease transgenders. It will also decrease mistaken relationship gender misunderstandings.

Transgenders will not get murdered if they tell before any physical actions have taken place. Laughed at, yes but not murdered. I would be happier if the shemale told me before I kissed it than after.

Are you actually serious.

Literally none of that is remotely true, but hey guys!

Apparently no one will try and kill us as we walk down the street! Quick, someone tell the people who assaulted me! They'll apologize right quick.

You never would have been assaulted if we had just permanently marked your body.

[Xathranaar]

No, I wouldn't. The second he tells me he's a trans all attraction would be gone.

I suppose it isn't entirely out of the question that such a thing might happen. But if someone told me they were trans and my feelings for them suddenly changed I would be extremely disappointed in myself.

[The Blaatschapen]

Warning: I've only read the OP.

I won't date someone who's had a sex change. I'm just not attracted to them.

[Oterro]

Warning: I've only read the OP.

I won't date someone who's had a sex change. I'm just not attracted to them.

are you gay?

[Grad Duchy of Luxembourg]

Are you actually serious.

Literally none of that is remotely true, but hey guys!

Apparently no one will try and kill us as we walk down the street! Quick, someone tell the people who assaulted me! They'll apologize right quick.

You never would have been assaulted if we had just permanently marked your body.

Of course, of course! Just like how the jews were marked, right?

[Freiheit Reich]

These cases are on talk shows so I had the chance to ask myself how I would react. It would be very hurtful, especally if I had sex with it and was married.

Holy crap. He calls transsexuals "it" (emphasis mine).

Not a real man, not a real woman. 'It' is the proper pronoun to use.