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Postby Choronzon » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:03 pm

DogDoo 7 wrote:how did we get to monarchism from Muzzie-bashing?

Because a certain poster felt the need to make a really, really stupid statement on the heels of some other really stupid statements he had made in past threads.

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Postby Grad Duchy of Luxembourg » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:36 pm

Choronzon wrote:
DogDoo 7 wrote:how did we get to monarchism from Muzzie-bashing?

Because a certain poster felt the need to make a really, really stupid statement on the heels of some other really stupid statements he had made in past threads.

Was it Godly Nations? :palm:
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Postby Lordiguard » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:43 pm

Stanisburg wrote:
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Vlad the Impaler is a hero who is revered in Bulgaria and Romania. A person who devoted his life to fighting against the expansion of the Ottoman empire into the Balkans and was protecting Christianity in Eastern Europe from an Islamic conquest.


By impaling people.

Well at least he wasn't a Muslim.



First of all the people vlad impaled were were muslims fighting for the ottomon empire and were invading wvachia, romania and forcing people to be muslim, what vlad did was an act of liberation and defense of country and faith. Source, youtube: Discovery channel documentary vlad the impaler.
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Postby Disserbia » Sat Mar 23, 2013 11:48 pm

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Postby Hades imperium » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:17 am

sorry to hear of your issues.

unfortunately stereotypes exist for a reason much how one cant watch every movie one cant know every person.
so when determining a movie one of the first things one looks at is the genera it tells you roughly what your getting into.
much in the same way a persons ethnic group does the same.
it servers as a rough average.
it smooths the transition until proper details can be established. it eases and helps in the selection process.
unfortunately your ethnicity even without bigotry and sticking with just the facts is not going to help too many crazies over in the middle east have gotten too much screen time in America.
people pick the lite ally over the dark one. they cant know which one is safe but they know the dark one is more likely to be dangerous.
while this is not fair it is understandable.

that being said bigotry is a different story.
if people who have not meet you are tossing insults their just asses and best ignored.

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Postby Hades imperium » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:22 am

Lordiguard wrote:
Stanisburg wrote:
By impaling people.

Well at least he wasn't a Muslim.



First of all the people vlad impaled were were muslims fighting for the ottomon empire and were invading wvachia, romania and forcing people to be muslim, what vlad did was an act of liberation and defense of country and faith. Source, youtube: Discovery channel documentary vlad the impaler.


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Postby Chinese Peoples » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:40 am

Certainly not, but it is a very real problem.

I do believe, however, society is gradually emerging from Islamophobia as terrorists are revealed to be nothing more than pawns for behind-the-scenes interests. As usual, no religion is powerful enough to motivate to kill... only more temporal interests. Terrorists are no exception. Anybody claiming to be motivated by 72 virgins in heaven clearly isn't a very spiritual one.
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:41 am

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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:50 am

Islamophobia, transphobia, homophobia, x-phobia.

We really need a new term that expresses a disapproval, or dislike without implying fear.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:50 am

Baltenstein wrote:And lo, the dead shall rise and inherit the Earth...

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Postby Korhal IVV » Wed Nov 18, 2015 2:57 am

Despite the fact that most terror groups today are Muslim, many Muslims live around where I live and they are quite nice... So it is not justified. Also being prejudiced against them will hurt the economy.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:06 am

At my most cynical, I tend to think "Islamophobia" is just a buzzword used by rigidly Orthodox Muslims to cry about their intolerance not being received well.

Then I see people wanting to deport all Muslims, shut down all mosques and ban Islam...or "kill all Mudslimes/Saracens!" or some shit.

Salafism, Deobandism and Puritan traditions being held with mistrust and hatred is absolutely justified. Even I get suspicious when I see a woman in Niqab or a man in full Thawb and Keffiyeh and a large beard.

The hatred aimed at all or most Muslims, including Moderates and Secular/Humanist Muslims who did literally nothing wrong is not Justified.

People generalizing Islam as though Salafism and Naqshbandism (or most Sufism) is the same Islam or that Iran's Fundamentalist Shi'a and...the other 90% of Shi'a in the world are the same type of Islam, is pretty damn retarded.
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:11 am

Deadora wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:No? Or are you doing the old "hate the sin, love the sinner" two-step? "Your religion sucks but you're okay."

>Implying that one cannot be a decent person while identifying with a hateful religion like Islam

Islam is evil. Not all Muslims are evil. It's a pretty simple idea to wrap your head around.

I don't agree with that. But you aren't judging all Muslims or saying Islam should be banned.
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Postby Hades imperium » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:17 am

Big Jim P wrote:Islamophobia, transphobia, homophobia, x-phobia.

We really need a new term that expresses a disapproval, or dislike without implying fear.


agreed.

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Postby Jochistan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:20 am

Big Jim P wrote:Islamophobia, transphobia, homophobia, x-phobia.

We really need a new term that expresses a disapproval, or dislike without implying fear.

Yeah. It gets really overused.

You could slap it on anything and it would sound like Liberal propaganda. Regardless of how serious it is.
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Postby Islasona » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:24 am

Islamophobia, is very, very convenient, isn't it? Any and all criticism can be deflected with "uh uh! You're an Islamophobe!". It's really ridiculous, really. Islam is a philosophy, disagreeing and not liking that philosophy doesn't make anyone an "islamophobe" it makes them someone who disagrees. If Islam is really so wonderful, it should tolerate a critical look.

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Postby Freemopia » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:28 am

no.
Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:I am Muslim, and being a Muslim in America is not very..... lets say.... accepted. I've been called many terrible things, relating me to terrorism, genocide, and spousal abuse. America is not very accepting to the Islamic religion, however American media often Shows Islam as evil. With this in mind, is the poorly informed American public justified in their views of Islam? My answer is no

no.
maybe u could be a porn star, some americans have a fetish for muslims. lol.
next time someone gives u a hard time about being muslim, u can tell them: it's not my fault your jealous that I look better than you and probably are nicer than you.
im not muslim, and im not trying to sound prejudice, on average from people I talked to, muslims and people from middle east that I talked to are nicer than a lot of others especially average americans.
what excuse are they going to use to go to war and steal oil if not islamaphobia?
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Postby Bentrada » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:29 am

OK, who's been resurrecting dead threads?
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Postby Jochistan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 3:32 am

Islasona wrote:Islamophobia, is very, very convenient, isn't it? Any and all criticism can be deflected with "uh uh! You're an Islamophobe!". It's really ridiculous, really. Islam is a philosophy, disagreeing and not liking that philosophy doesn't make anyone an "islamophobe" it makes them someone who disagrees. If Islam is really so wonderful, it should tolerate a critical look.

I agree.

But hatred of Muslims, as in saying Islam should be illegal and stuff like " they're everywhere bringin dat Shariah law to our doorstep like thwy always have! Taqiyyah! Taqiyyah! Deus Vult! Nuke Mecca! Islam must be destroyed! " is a very real and to be honest, fucking scary.

Just as Scary as Salafis and Qutbists gaining power. Just as scary as roving terrorist bands.
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