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Age of Consent.....Should it be lowered?

Postby Magni Vastator » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:11 am

I've been thinking lately.....I live in california where the age of consent is 18, and I was wondering if any of you think the age of consent should be lowered. Not just in california, but where you live as well. I like the age of 16 better than 18.

Puberty just seems like mother nature's indicator that a person is ready to engage in sexual activities if they please, but the law says otherwise here. Any sexual subject still feels very taboo among people here, and everyone tries their hardest to keep the youth ignorant about it. Do you think repression of sexual knowledge can make a sexually awkward person?

Holy crap I'm asking a lot of questions, but I'll recap:
Should the age of consent be lowered in california, or wherever you live?
Does puberty decide when someone is "ready"?
Does keeping sexual knowledge away from the youth make them sexually awkward later in life?

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Postby Magni Vastator » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:12 am

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Postby Suicune » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:14 am

Magni Vastator wrote:I've been thinking lately.....I live in california where the age of consent is 18, and I was wondering if any of you think the age of consent should be lowered. Not just in california, but where you live as well. I like the age of 16 better than 18.

Puberty just seems like mother nature's indicator that a person is ready to engage in sexual activities if they please, but the law says otherwise here. Any sexual subject still feels very taboo among people here, and everyone tries their hardest to keep the youth ignorant about it. Do you think repression of sexual knowledge can make a sexually awkward person?

Holy crap I'm asking a lot of questions, but I'll recap:
Should the age of consent be lowered in california, or wherever you live?
Does puberty decide when someone is "ready"?
Does keeping sexual knowledge away from the youth make them sexually awkward later in life?


Whatever the age of consent is, kids will still have sex.

Keeping sexual knowledge away from kids is stupid. They need to be educated about sex, so they can make an informed decision and, you know, not have a baby at 14.
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Postby Condunum » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:15 am

I'm pretty sure I made a thread on this not even a month ago.

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I did, and I think the OP still sums up my view rather well.

But maybe I should elaborate more? I'm of the opinion that 15 is the "right" age, because I recognize the need for an arbitrary limit. Why 15? Because at that age, many teens are already experimenting, and (at least in the blue states) they've gone through sex ed, which is the most important factor, to be honest. We can't stop them from having sex, so we might as well educate them on what not to do.
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Postby NERVUN » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:16 am

As stated in the last thread on the topic, one's body does not equal the ability to mentally understand the consequences or be able to handle it (And indeed for women, they are capable of getting pregnant before their growth catches up with being able to safely handle it).
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:16 am

16 is adequate if R+J laws are in place. I am not opposed to people under 16 being able to prove their mental competence in some manner if they decide they want to and achieving full adult rights by some kind of test.
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Postby Condunum » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:17 am

NERVUN wrote:As stated in the last thread on the topic, one's body does not equal the ability to mentally understand the consequences or be able to handle it (And indeed for women, they are capable of getting pregnant before their growth catches up with being able to safely handle it).

You were the one who made me question my position. Damn you :P

I still stand firmly that 15 is adequate, provided that we actually educate the little fuckers.
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Postby NERVUN » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:18 am

Condunum wrote:
NERVUN wrote:As stated in the last thread on the topic, one's body does not equal the ability to mentally understand the consequences or be able to handle it (And indeed for women, they are capable of getting pregnant before their growth catches up with being able to safely handle it).

You were the one who made me question my position. Damn you :P

I still stand firmly that 15 is adequate, provided that we actually educate the little fuckers.

I'm still for 16, again body, mind, and ability to care for a child.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:18 am

Condunum wrote:
NERVUN wrote:As stated in the last thread on the topic, one's body does not equal the ability to mentally understand the consequences or be able to handle it (And indeed for women, they are capable of getting pregnant before their growth catches up with being able to safely handle it).

You were the one who made me question my position. Damn you :P

I still stand firmly that 15 is adequate, provided that we actually educate the little fuckers.


I view it as more of a package of rights. (I find it absurd that the vote is 18 and not 16.) And given that some 16 year olds are in work and no longer in school and can technically live alone, whereas 15 year olds (except emancipated ones, hence my caveat that there should be a mechanism for individuals to become adults prior to 16) are not, i think they are (or some of them are) more aware of what it means to be an adult.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:18 am

Magni Vastator wrote:I've been thinking lately.....I live in california where the age of consent is 18, and I was wondering if any of you think the age of consent should be lowered. Not just in california, but where you live as well. I like the age of 16 better than 18.

Puberty just seems like mother nature's indicator that a person is ready to engage in sexual activities if they please, but the law says otherwise here. Any sexual subject still feels very taboo among people here, and everyone tries their hardest to keep the youth ignorant about it. Do you think repression of sexual knowledge can make a sexually awkward person?

Holy crap I'm asking a lot of questions, but I'll recap:
Should the age of consent be lowered in california, or wherever you live?
Does puberty decide when someone is "ready"?
Does keeping sexual knowledge away from the youth make them sexually awkward later in life?

Why not keep the age of consent and lower the severity of punishments regarding that laws with regards to age range differences? Cause I don't see the point of lowering or increasing the limit if the punishments are the same. It's just a 2 years difference.
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Postby Hathradic States » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:19 am

It should be more about age spread than individual age. Kinda fucked up when an 18 year old can't sleep with his 17 year old girlfriend, but a 60 year old can fuck a 19 year old.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:19 am

I was 16 when I lost my virginity so sure?

I'm pretty sure there's some fucked up laws about the whole 'within two years' thing and I'm really not sure about it. I'd love a more comprehensive explanation of consent laws as a whole actually, especially in the U.S. and/or Canada.

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Postby Episarta » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:20 am

Teenagers are going to have sex, no matter what the age of consent is. Better to just lower it to something reasonable instead of voting age, and make sure they would know what they are getting themselves into and that they know to use protection.

You can't coddle them. If they want to have sex, they're going to do it. You can't change that by just telling them they will "die and go to hell" or whatever your personal mantra is. It's basically a fact of life. The body wants it, it tells them to go for it, they will. It's all biology. SCIENCE!
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Postby Magni Vastator » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:21 am

I still stand firmly that 15 is adequate, provided that we actually educate the little fuckers.


Was that pun intended? lol

I was thinking about mandatory protection given to people when they've reached the age of consent (in a circumstance where 15 or 16 is the age of consent). But that just sounded stupid in my head

Condoms are pretty cheap, hopefully kids will be responsible enough to go get some before walking off to "Study with Jenna"

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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:23 am

I think the age of Consent should remain the same. It is made to prevent phedopiles from have sex with children.
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Postby Condunum » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:24 am

Magni Vastator wrote:
I still stand firmly that 15 is adequate, provided that we actually educate the little fuckers.


Was that pun intended? lol

Entirely.

I was thinking about mandatory protection given to people when they've reached the age of consent (in a circumstance where 15 or 16 is the age of consent). But that just sounded stupid in my head

Condoms are pretty cheap, hopefully kids will be responsible enough to go get some before walking off to "Study with Jenna"

The thing is though, kids often aren't responsible enough, especially without sex ed.
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Postby Rainbows and Rivers » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:25 am

It's based on when the brain seems to finish maturing. It works well enough. Leave it alone.

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Postby Episarta » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:26 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I think the age of Consent should remain the same. It is made to prevent phedopiles from have sex with children.


So is a 17 year old a child? How should we legally define a child? I mean, a paedophile shouldn't even be attracted to a 16 or 17 year old. Paedophiles are attracted to prepubescents. There is another word for someone attracted to teenagers. And even so, teenagers are usually informed on this stuff and many can probably make decisions regarding the usage of their own bodies.
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Postby Magni Vastator » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:27 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I think the age of Consent should remain the same. It is made to prevent phedopiles from have sex with children.


Which actually brings me to another question. Are the age of consent and age when a person is considered an adult synonymous?

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:28 am

Episarta wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I think the age of Consent should remain the same. It is made to prevent phedopiles from have sex with children.


So is a 17 year old a child? How should we legally define a child? I mean, a paedophile shouldn't even be attracted to a 16 or 17 year old. Paedophiles are attracted to prepubescents. There is another word for someone attracted to teenagers. And even so, teenagers are usually informed on this stuff and many can probably make decisions regarding the usage of their own bodies.


So I have a gay friend who has sex with a lot of older men...

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Postby Magni Vastator » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:31 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I think the age of Consent should remain the same. It is made to prevent phedopiles from have sex with children.


The term pedophile gets thrown around a lot. The proper term for someone that mingles with the singles at the ages between 14-16 or more so Ephebophiles.

Pedophiles, by definition, go after the younger ones

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Postby Page » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:36 am

I don't think there should be such a thing as purely statutory rape, but that age should be part of a non-rigid criteria for determining whether coercion took place in instances of rape. Now before someone says "so are you saying 8 year olds can consent to sex", no, of course I'm not saying that. I think that under the system I'm proposing, a mature person does something sexual with an 8 year old is convicted 100% of the time.

But, I don't think it's a good idea to have a magic number that determines the difference. I think a person's sexual autonomy is a very serious matter.

The age spread idea is useful (as in, a 13 y.o. having sex with a 12 y.o. is more acceptable than a 40 y.o. with a 14 y.o.) but again, I'd rather it form a criteria than a strict statutory basis for legality.

If I did have to put a system in place of arbitrary borders, it would probably be that 15 would be the universal age of consent, and 14 - 20, and 13 - 18, and 12 - 16, and two year differences beyond that. But even so I think it's flawed to have this at all.
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Postby Magni Vastator » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:45 am

Page wrote:I don't think there should be such a thing as purely statutory rape, but that age should be part of a non-rigid criteria for determining whether coercion took place in instances of rape. Now before someone says "so are you saying 8 year olds can consent to sex", no, of course I'm not saying that. I think that under the system I'm proposing, a mature person does something sexual with an 8 year old is convicted 100% of the time.

But, I don't think it's a good idea to have a magic number that determines the difference. I think a person's sexual autonomy is a very serious matter.

The age spread idea is useful (as in, a 13 y.o. having sex with a 12 y.o. is more acceptable than a 40 y.o. with a 14 y.o.) but again, I'd rather it form a criteria than a strict statutory basis for legality.

If I did have to put a system in place of arbitrary borders, it would probably be that 15 would be the universal age of consent, and 14 - 20, and 13 - 18, and 12 - 16, and two year differences beyond that. But even so I think it's flawed to have this at all.



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Postby Grave_n_idle » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:46 am

Magni Vastator wrote:I've been thinking lately.....I live in california where the age of consent is 18, and I was wondering if any of you think the age of consent should be lowered. Not just in california, but where you live as well. I like the age of 16 better than 18.

Puberty just seems like mother nature's indicator that a person is ready to engage in sexual activities if they please, but the law says otherwise here.


If it didn't cost anything to feed, clothe and house a kid, if we had a society that took good care of parents and kids, if having kids wouldn't affect your education or employment, if we had a disease-proof society, if we removed the stigma around sexuality and if pregnancy was risk-free to the unborn and the mother - it might be worth discussing a lower age of consent.

But given all that is weighed against it... and given that the only real argument that can be made FOR a lower age of consent is that it indulges a somewhat-unhealthy fetish for immature partners... no, there's really no virtue in discussing it.
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Postby Sahrani DR » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:48 am

Where i live, it already is 16.

I think it sounds very 18th-century-like to expect young people to wait until the age of 18 to engage in sexual relationships.
I mean, hormones cannot be held for that long.
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