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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:47 am

Seshephe wrote:
Phocidaea wrote:So no one responded to my challenger earlier...

What reason is there for gender-neutral restrooms? What shortcomings do segregated ones present that could be fixed by throwing everyone in one room?

Lets say that two boys and three girls want to go to the bathroom at the same time. There are two boys bathrooms and two girls bathrooms. Do the math.

There are five people and four bathrooms so somebody always has to wait? Surely that isn't what you're getting at.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:48 am

Faolinn wrote:
Seshephe wrote:
Look seriously, if someone is determined to actually brake through a bathroom door I don't think that a sign with a skirt is going to stop them...
just saying...

I'm talking more about bathroom stalls.

What kind of locks do you want on them? They're more about letting people know the toilet's being used rather than guard against somebody trying to kill you.
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Postby Alexander Sothis » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:48 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Alexander Sothis wrote:I support the use of however trannies have been doing all this time. It appears to be working, or there would be a lot of people standing around with their legs crossed and dancing having to use the bathroom all over the world. This is a non-issue.

The fact is, nobody likes to use public restrooms. Nobody.

What I think they should do is rather than separate it by gender (or anything of that nature), separate them by political party affiliation. Conservatives can have the normal male/female rooms, and the liberal can have female, male, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transexual (and everything else on that long acronym). Then establishments that want to pay for extrabathrooms to facilitate a certain clientel can build them at their own expense.


Do you not realize how offensive that word is?

Anyway I'm on my phone so I can't respond easily, but this doesn't take much.



What word, conservative... yeah, im not a fan either

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Postby Sertooth » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:49 am

Only if the stalls finally go all the way from the floor to the ceiling.
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Postby Phocidaea » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:49 am

Seshephe wrote:
Phocidaea wrote:So no one responded to my challenger earlier...

What reason is there for gender-neutral restrooms? What shortcomings do segregated ones present that could be fixed by throwing everyone in one room?

Lets say that two boys and three girls want to go to the bathroom at the same time. There are two boys bathrooms and two girls bathrooms. Do the math.


Why the hell would you want to go to the bathroom with four friends?

Okay, what rational reason is there?
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Postby Volnotova » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:50 am

I have no problem with this.

(As a person opposed to genderism/sexism)
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:50 am

Alexander Sothis wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Do you not realize how offensive that word is?

Anyway I'm on my phone so I can't respond easily, but this doesn't take much.



What word, conservative... yeah, im not a fan either

Trannies. The least you could do is be civil.
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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:50 am

Minoriteeburg wrote:But seriously NSG, what do you think about the possibility of all Public Restrooms becoming gender neutral? Good thing? Or bad thing?

Meh... Seems fine to me...
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Postby Faolinn » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:50 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Faolinn wrote:I'm talking more about bathroom stalls.

What kind of locks do you want on them? They're more about letting people know the toilet's being used rather than guard against somebody trying to kill you.

Ones that I can feel secure that someone couldn't just kick open because 1. I do not like the idea of anyone walking in on me period, 2. it would help prevent sexual assault.
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Postby Seshephe » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:51 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Seshephe wrote:Lets say that two boys and three girls want to go to the bathroom at the same time. There are two boys bathrooms and two girls bathrooms. Do the math.

There are five people and four bathrooms so somebody always has to wait? Surely that isn't what you're getting at.

woops XD
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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:51 am

Phocidaea wrote:
Seshephe wrote:Lets say that two boys and three girls want to go to the bathroom at the same time. There are two boys bathrooms and two girls bathrooms. Do the math.


Why the hell would you want to go to the bathroom with four friends?

Okay, what rational reason is there?

You missed the point.
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Postby Seshephe » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:51 am

Faolinn wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:What kind of locks do you want on them? They're more about letting people know the toilet's being used rather than guard against somebody trying to kill you.

Ones that I can feel secure that someone couldn't just kick open because 1. I do not like the idea of anyone walking in on me period, 2. it would help prevent sexual assault.

:eyebrow:
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Postby Volnotova » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:53 am

Distruzio wrote:There will never be actual equality until this happens.

Which, of course, means I disapprove.


For real?

Really?
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Postby Alexander Sothis » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:54 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Alexander Sothis wrote:

What word, conservative... yeah, im not a fan either

Trannies. The least you could do is be civil.


That depends on where you are from, if that is offensive, the ones I have encountered have never been offended by a word! Havnt you heard of Tranny Pride?
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Postby Phocidaea » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:54 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Phocidaea wrote:
Why the hell would you want to go to the bathroom with four friends?

Okay, what rational reason is there?

You missed the point.


Oh, I get it. Five people in four bathrooms.

Oh, I'm perfectly fine with single-occupant restrooms being gender-neutral, since that seems to be what you're implying. I'm not so keen about the idea of having gender-neutral multi-person restrooms, which are, of course, the more common sort.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:54 am

Seshephe wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:There are five people and four bathrooms so somebody always has to wait? Surely that isn't what you're getting at.

woops XD
I'm tired, get off my case :p
I meant one boy of course...

Still, I don't think waiting times are a good enough excuse to rewrite the system. Yes, it's a pain in the ass to wait a few minutes to use the toilet and it's even more frustrating when the other bathroom is empty but I highly doubt people think that this rare occaision is bad enough to warrant such a drastic change.

If you're going to build one block of four cubicles, no reason why they can't be gender neutral. If you're looking for a 30 square metre toilet complex, I don't see why you shouldn't look at separate rooms. Depends on where it is and how big it is.
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Postby Faolinn » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:57 am

Seshephe wrote:
Faolinn wrote:Ones that I can feel secure that someone couldn't just kick open because 1. I do not like the idea of anyone walking in on me period, 2. it would help prevent sexual assault.

:eyebrow:
lol

Some of these locks as they aren't very good.There are some of these locks that just plain don't work, jam, or are hell trying to get to do what they're supposed to do because they are either a. cheap or b. of shoddy quality.Unless you have something like a locking house room door on these things they seem to be prone to not working very well.
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Postby Seshephe » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:57 am

Vitaphone Racing wrote:
Seshephe wrote:woops XD
I'm tired, get off my case :p
I meant one boy of course...

Still, I don't think waiting times are a good enough excuse to rewrite the system. Yes, it's a pain in the ass to wait a few minutes to use the toilet and it's even more frustrating when the other bathroom is empty but I highly doubt people think that this rare occaision is bad enough to warrant such a drastic change.

I don't particularly care either way but I don't see any terribly good reasons not to have gender neutral restrooms... so really why not? I wouldn't suggest rebuilding existing restrooms just because, but if you are building a new one... why not?


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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:59 am

Faolinn wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:What kind of locks do you want on them? They're more about letting people know the toilet's being used rather than guard against somebody trying to kill you.

Ones that I can feel secure that someone couldn't just kick open because 1. I do not like the idea of anyone walking in on me period, 2. it would help prevent sexual assault.

If someone is kicking the door down, they aren't just walking in on you are they? I don't know how sexual assaultists think but I suppose if I wanted to do it, I'd just wait until they left the cubicle so the lock really means nothing.

Anyway, you have my personal assurance that if you purge in the right places; your safety is perfectly fine.
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Postby Seshephe » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:59 am

Faolinn wrote:
Seshephe wrote: :eyebrow:
lol

Some of these locks as they aren't very good.There are some of these locks that just plain don't work, jam, or are hell trying to get to do what they're supposed to do because they are either a. cheap or b. of shoddy quality.Unless you have like a locking house room door on these things they seem to be prone to not working very well,

That's all fine and well but kick open??
Anyhow, I don't use the restroom if the lock doesn't work...
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:00 am

Seshephe wrote:
Vitaphone Racing wrote:Still, I don't think waiting times are a good enough excuse to rewrite the system. Yes, it's a pain in the ass to wait a few minutes to use the toilet and it's even more frustrating when the other bathroom is empty but I highly doubt people think that this rare occaision is bad enough to warrant such a drastic change.

I don't particularly care either way but I don't see any terribly good reasons not to have gender neutral restrooms... so really why not? I wouldn't suggest rebuilding existing restrooms just because, but if you are building a new one... why not?

Because most people prefer to have rooms for each sex, that's as good a reason as any.
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Postby United Earthlings » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:03 am

I'd prefer if they remain separate as call me selfish, but I've spent enough time waiting on women and when you gotta go, you gotta go, why wait longer then absolutely necessary?

That stated, I'm adaptable so I'm fine with letting the FREE MARKET decide the matter in the end as it's been my experience the free market usually picks the best choice to meet capacity requirements.

My only true preference is that there is no line when I have to go. :p


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Postby Desperate Measures » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:06 am

Alexander Sothis wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:Trannies. The least you could do is be civil.


That depends on where you are from, if that is offensive, the ones I have encountered have never been offended by a word! Havnt you heard of Tranny Pride?

It's generally considered offensive. Like the N word. And like the N word, there are some that try to claim the word in order to take the sting out of it.
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Postby Faolinn » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:08 am

Seshephe wrote:
Faolinn wrote:Some of these locks as they aren't very good.There are some of these locks that just plain don't work, jam, or are hell trying to get to do what they're supposed to do because they are either a. cheap or b. of shoddy quality.Unless you have like a locking house room door on these things they seem to be prone to not working very well,

That's all fine and well but kick open??
Anyhow, I don't use the restroom if the lock doesn't work...

There are some sick people out there and if it feels like it can be done, I don't feel very safe.
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Postby Tmutarakhan » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:10 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Alexander Sothis wrote:
That depends on where you are from, if that is offensive, the ones I have encountered have never been offended by a word! Havnt you heard of Tranny Pride?

It's generally considered offensive. Like the N word. And like the N word, there are some that try to claim the word in order to take the sting out of it.

The situation is the reverse of what it was with the N word. That word started as an insult, and then later has been used by some as an ironic nickname. "Tranny" was until rather recently just a common shorthand, and not everybody will have heard that it has since come to be regarded as an insult.
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