Should Public Restrooms Become Gender Neutral?

[The Steel Magnolia]

But why does it matter to you, then? If the differences are irrelevant, then why solidify those differences by creating categories?

Because they exist, they're an integral part of people's sense of self and I don't feel like being a cunt and denying people their hard fought identities.

[YellowApple]

But why does it matter to you, then? If the differences are irrelevant, then why solidify those differences by creating categories?

Because they exist, they're an integral part of people's sense of self and I don't feel like being a cunt and denying people their hard fought identities.

So you're saying that personal identity is dependent on those concepts? Do I magically stop being me if my skin turns neon green?

[Linux and the X]

But why does it matter to you, then? If the differences are irrelevant, then why solidify those differences by creating categories?

Because they exist, they're an integral part of people's sense of self and I don't feel like being a cunt and denying people their hard fought identities.

And, of course, getting people to ignore their difference-based categories is a great way for the majority to keep their power. A minority that doesn't recognise its own existence will have a hard time working together to fight for their rights. Even if we managed to somehow universally and entirely avoid noticing and responding to differences, people would still be better and worse off based on historical events.

[YellowApple]

Because they exist, they're an integral part of people's sense of self and I don't feel like being a cunt and denying people their hard fought identities.

And, of course, getting people to ignore their difference-based categories is a great way for the majority to keep their power. A minority that doesn't recognise its own existence will have a hard time working together to fight for their rights.

That would also be a great way of not having a majority to begin with, since the majority would not recognize its own existence either.

[The Emerald Dawn]

Because they exist, they're an integral part of people's sense of self and I don't feel like being a cunt and denying people their hard fought identities.

So you're saying that personal identity is dependent on those concepts? Do I magically stop being me if my skin turns neon green?

You? No.
Them? Maybe.

Why do you get to judge?

[Merriwhether]

This is a perfect formula for a rape.

This is one of the most absurd comments of the thread.

This is true.

We should keep this going.

On the topic, I do not support the idea of joint facilities whatsoever. If you have a hard time grasping the concept of why, you clearly live in Disney Land, because in reality, we have rapists, perverts and downright empty-headed foggies. It'll never work, unless you intend to somehow change human nature entirely within a matter of a few years so everyone on Earth thinks with their brains, rather than some whose brains consist entirely of Estrogen/Testosterone.

The idea is no less preposterous than regulated prostitution.

[Linux and the X]

And, of course, getting people to ignore their difference-based categories is a great way for the majority to keep their power. A minority that doesn't recognise its own existence will have a hard time working together to fight for their rights.

That would also be a great way of not having a majority to begin with, since the majority would not recognize its own existence either.

See edit.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Because they exist, they're an integral part of people's sense of self and I don't feel like being a cunt and denying people their hard fought identities.

So you're saying that personal identity is dependent on those concepts? Do I magically stop being me if my skin turns neon green?

Not at all.

To both questions.

[The Steel Magnolia]

And, of course, getting people to ignore their difference-based categories is a great way for the majority to keep their power. A minority that doesn't recognise its own existence will have a hard time working together to fight for their rights.

That would also be a great way of not having a majority to begin with, since the majority would not recognize its own existence either.

That sounds like a wonderful world!

How do we get there?`

[YellowApple]

So you're saying that personal identity is dependent on those concepts? Do I magically stop being me if my skin turns neon green?

You? No.
Them? Maybe.

Why do you get to judge?

You're missing the question: why does that need to be an integral part of self? In fact, is it even an integral part of self to begin with? If a Caucasian child grows up in an African-American family, and has never looked in a mirror or otherwise realized her differences, is her race - the social categorization she would naturally fall into if separated from her surrogate family - really her identity?

[Snafturi]

This is one of the most absurd comments of the thread.

This is true.

We should keep this going.

On the topic, I do not support the idea of joint facilities whatsoever. If you have a hard time grasping the concept of why, you clearly live in Disney Land, because in reality, we have rapists, perverts and downright empty-headed foggies. It'll never work, unless you intend to somehow change human nature entirely within a matter of a few years so everyone on Earth thinks with their brains, rather than some whose brains consist entirely of Estrogen/Testosterone.

Except it does work out quite well in places where there are unisex bathrooms. So maybe those of us in favor of unisex bathrooms have actual experience with them and realise they aren't the dens of rape and perversity some people wildly proclaim they are.

[YellowApple]

So you're saying that personal identity is dependent on those concepts? Do I magically stop being me if my skin turns neon green?

Not at all.

To both questions.

Then why maintain those concepts?

That would also be a great way of not having a majority to begin with, since the majority would not recognize its own existence either.

That sounds like a wonderful world!

How do we get there?`

By not perpetuating a society where petty things like skin color and sexuality define who we are.

[The Steel Magnolia]

You? No.
Them? Maybe.

Why do you get to judge?

You're missing the question: why does that need to be an integral part of self? In fact, is it even an integral part of self to begin with? If a Caucasian child grows up in an African-American family, and has never looked in a mirror or otherwise realized her differences, is her race - the social categorization she would naturally fall into if separated from her surrogate family - really her identity?

I think you forgot and missed the last part of that quote.

Fortunately, I don't need to explain my identity to you.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Then why maintain those concepts?

Because they're important and meaningful?

That would also be a great way of not having a majority to begin with, since the majority would not recognize its own existence either.

That sounds like a wonderful world!

How do we get there?`

By not perpetuating a society where petty things like skin color and sexuality define who we are.[/quote]

So it'll never happen, and thank god for that.

[The Emerald Dawn]

You? No.
Them? Maybe.

Why do you get to judge?

You're missing the question: why does that need to be an integral part of self? In fact, is it even an integral part of self to begin with? If a Caucasian child grows up in an African-American family, and has never looked in a mirror or otherwise realized her differences, is her race - the social categorization she would naturally fall into if separated from her surrogate family - really her identity?

*ahem*

Why do you get to judge?

[YellowApple]

You're missing the question: why does that need to be an integral part of self? In fact, is it even an integral part of self to begin with? If a Caucasian child grows up in an African-American family, and has never looked in a mirror or otherwise realized her differences, is her race - the social categorization she would naturally fall into if separated from her surrogate family - really her identity?

I think you forgot and missed the last part of that quote.

Fortunately, I don't need to explain my identity to you.

Then don't explain your identity. No one asked you to.

Then why maintain those concepts?

Because they're important and meaningful?

Why are they important and meaningful?

By not perpetuating a society where petty things like skin color and sexuality define who we are.

So it'll never happen, and thank god for that.

You're grateful that discrimination will remain prevalent because we put so much undue weight on minor differences among one another?

That's unfortunate.

[YellowApple]

You're missing the question: why does that need to be an integral part of self? In fact, is it even an integral part of self to begin with? If a Caucasian child grows up in an African-American family, and has never looked in a mirror or otherwise realized her differences, is her race - the social categorization she would naturally fall into if separated from her surrogate family - really her identity?

*ahem*

Why do you get to judge?

I'm not judging you. I am merely asking for clarification.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Then don't explain your identity. No one asked you to.

Except you just did.

Why are they important and meaningful?

Namely right here.

You're grateful that discrimination will remain prevalent because we put so much undue weight on minor differences among one another?

That's unfortunate.

Differences do not inherently entail discrimination.

[YellowApple]

Then don't explain your identity. No one asked you to.

Except you just did.

Where?

Why are they important and meaningful?

Namely right here.

Whether or not they are important and/or meaningful in the topic covered by this thread has yet to be established.

You're grateful that discrimination will remain prevalent because we put so much undue weight on minor differences among one another?

That's unfortunate.

Differences do not inherently entail discrimination.

Then what does it entail?

[Linux and the X]

Differences do not inherently entail discrimination.

Then what does it entail?

Go on, take a guess. I'm sure you can figure it out.

[The Steel Magnolia]

Then what does it entail?

Go on, take a guess. I'm sure you can figure it out.

It starts with a 'd'!

I also said it in the quote

[Minoriteeburg]

Go on, take a guess. I'm sure you can figure it out.

It starts with a 'd'!

I also said it in the quote

No, It starts with an I.

[The Emerald Dawn]

*ahem*

I'm not judging you. I am merely asking for clarification.

There isn't a clarification necessary. Some people, quite rightly, have their entire identity tied in the existence of factors such as skin color, ethnicity, gender, sex, age, ability-level, job, career, position in life, or skill.

Who are you to judge that race is unimportant? Why do you choose for them that this is not something worth existing?

[Snafturi]

It starts with a 'd'!

I also said it in the quote

No, It starts with an I.

Igloo!

I win this thread.

[United States of Cascadia]

Woman take forever in bathrooms, and men can't seem to hit the urinal. I'm sure everyone likes their bathrooms better. That being said, it is a more efficient use of space. That, and you can't really use bathrooms as a way to get away from people. So, eh.