Pirates... as in Argh, matey

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Perhaps they should create a classification of Whale Research Ship that is allowed to carry armaments to defend themselves against pirates and eco-terrorists?

Why the hell would they do that? The UN doesn't want the Japanese whaling anyway. HENCE THE BAN.

Thinking of becoming a supporter of the ICR, its only $21 dollars a year.

Yeah, live it up along with the Yakuza and the Japanese government trying to show off to the West as you dump your money down the hole. It's a losing battle.

[The balkens]

Tiger, you may have won this argument....

[Souseiseki]

"Endangering human life"? Yeah, I'm not too concerned about the big bad environmentalists hurting the poor widdle whalers

i'm more concerned about the people on the SS ships. like i said before, there's a reason film crews refuse to actually be on the same ship as them anymore, and it's not because they're competent sea farers.

it's pretty funny that ramming is pretty much ok because lol lifeboats. even if it wasn't in the southern fucking ocean, that would be pretty silly.

have you ever watched whale wars? o:

[The Tiger Kingdom]

"Endangering human life"? Yeah, I'm not too concerned about the big bad environmentalists hurting the poor widdle whalers

i'm more concerned about the people on the SS ships. like i said before, there's a reason film crews refuse to actually be on the same ship as them anymore, and it's not because they're competent sea farers.

Might very well be true. But we're debating their legality, not their competence.

it's pretty funny that ramming is pretty much ok because lol lifeboats. even if it wasn't in the southern fucking ocean, that would be pretty silly.

Price you pay for breaking the law.
It's not exactly...safe in the conventional sense, but it's not the murderous tool of sheer bloody death people make it out to be here. The whalers have plenty of recourses should their boat be damaged to the point of inoperability.
The best case scenario for both sides, in that case, is that the whalers just leave.

have you ever watched whale wars? o:

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A while back, yeah. I don't watch too much TV, but after a few episodes, I decided I'd basically got the gist.

[Tekania]

Sink the Sea Shepherd ship in the middle of the night with a breaching charge to the engine room, repeat with the Japanese ships. The Japanese should whale in their own waters. Of course, they KILLED ALL OF THE WHALES THAT LIVED THERE, so fuck that noise. Without any ships, no one can whale, and no one can throw rancid butter, right?

Sounds like a good plan, draft a law which allows Japan whaling rights only in their own waters..... That htey have no whales left there is there own stupid fucking problem...... if they had not "researched" their whales to non-existence they would not have had that problem.

[Choronzon]

Good. I hope the bastards get what's coming to them.

You'd think they'd done something morally wrong from the way you're talking. And incompetent as they may be, I'm not seeing it.
I have very little sympathy for the Japanese on this. They have no reason to support whaling as they've done; it only dates back a few decades as a serious part of their culture, and nobody in Japan cares nearly as much about the issue itself as the government does. What it is is a showboat piece to show how Japan refuses to give in to Western influence on ONE issue, which just so happens to be whaling. Besides, they stopped the hunt this year anyway, as I recall.

Right? I fucking love NSG. Poachers violating both international convention and local (Australia's) laws are objects of sympathy when obnoxious environmentalists are the opposition.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

You'd think they'd done something morally wrong from the way you're talking. And incompetent as they may be, I'm not seeing it.
I have very little sympathy for the Japanese on this. They have no reason to support whaling as they've done; it only dates back a few decades as a serious part of their culture, and nobody in Japan cares nearly as much about the issue itself as the government does. What it is is a showboat piece to show how Japan refuses to give in to Western influence on ONE issue, which just so happens to be whaling. Besides, they stopped the hunt this year anyway, as I recall.

Right? I fucking love NSG. Poachers violating both international convention and local (Australia's) laws are objects of sympathy when obnoxious environmentalists are the opposition.

And a thousand dead whales don't amount to a single scratch on a poacher's hand.

[Souseiseki]

You'd think they'd done something morally wrong from the way you're talking. And incompetent as they may be, I'm not seeing it.
I have very little sympathy for the Japanese on this. They have no reason to support whaling as they've done; it only dates back a few decades as a serious part of their culture, and nobody in Japan cares nearly as much about the issue itself as the government does. What it is is a showboat piece to show how Japan refuses to give in to Western influence on ONE issue, which just so happens to be whaling. Besides, they stopped the hunt this year anyway, as I recall.

Right? I fucking love NSG. Poachers violating both international convention and local (Australia's) laws are objects of sympathy when obnoxious environmentalists are the opposition.

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[Tekania]

Those poor, poor Japanese whalers, thousands of miles away from their territorial waters engaging in illegal poaching in someone elses waters (cue the Sara McLachlan music) won't you please help them?

[Choronzon]

Right? I fucking love NSG. Poachers violating both international convention and local (Australia's) laws are objects of sympathy when obnoxious environmentalists are the opposition.

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Well, the US court in the OP, for one.

And that really doesn't make a lick of difference. The Japanese whalers are still for all intents and purposes poachers, and you're all defending them.. But hey, sure, why not. Those nasty environmentalists are interfering with your supply of cheap and clean burning lamp oil. The fuckers. They're obnoxious anyway. Might as well dismiss their entire point of view.

Lets see if we can get whales extinct by 2020!

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Anyway, I just want to say: good. The Japanese may be pulling a fast one (and they are), but it is not the sea shepherd's place to be ramming ships and launching projectiles.

It's someone's place. Whalers shouldn't feel safe.

[Choronzon]

Anyway, I just want to say: good. The Japanese may be pulling a fast one (and they are), but it is not the sea shepherd's place to be ramming ships and launching projectiles.

It's someone's place. Whalers shouldn't feel safe.

This.

[Czechanada]

The government should hand out letters of marque so we can hunt them down.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

The government should hand out letters of marque so we can hunt them down.

Vigilante justice must be punished by vigilante justice!

[Varijnland]

Not pirates...........Pirates are from Bristol, everyone knows that

[Aggicificicerous]

Anyway, I just want to say: good. The Japanese may be pulling a fast one (and they are), but it is not the sea shepherd's place to be ramming ships and launching projectiles.

It's someone's place. Whalers shouldn't feel safe.

Exactly. Somebody has to stand up for what is right, and if the Sea Sheperds are the ones to do it, good for them.

[Tekania]

The government should hand out letters of marque so we can hunt them down.

The Japanese Whalers, Sea Shepherd or both?

[Democratic Koyro]

The government should hand out letters of marque so we can hunt them down.

The Japanese Whalers, Sea Shepherd or both?

Flip a coin.

[Tekania]

The Japanese Whalers, Sea Shepherd or both?

Flip a coin.

Okay, heads Japanese Whalers, tails not Sea Shepherd.. call it.

[The Pan-Asian Conglomerate]

Assuming that the Sea Shepards are not put down, I would recommend whaling with battleships. (or some other armed craft) For one, Japan is not in any conflicts, so they can probably afford to deploy their military right now or issue artillery to fishing trolleys. For two, it would easily deterr those ecological terrorists. For three, it would be as funny as Hell if the whaling crew nuked the whales.

I support this motion.

[Conserative Morality]

You'd think they'd done something morally wrong from the way you're talking. And incompetent as they may be, I'm not seeing it.

If you find vigilantism morally correct or acceptable, you're operating a long way from my side of the issue.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Assuming that the Sea Shepards are not put down, I would recommend whaling with battleships. (or some other armed craft) For one, Japan is not in any conflicts, so they can probably afford to deploy their military right now or issue artillery to fishing trolleys. For two, it would easily deterr those ecological terrorists. For three, it would be as funny as Hell if the whaling crew nuked the whales.

I support this motion.

Which is also the most laughably impractical and wildly wasteful suggestion put forward yet, on top of being completely wrongheaded in about four distinct ways.
the Japanese government is not about to deploy the Self-Defense Navy or whatever the hell it's called to protect the scows with the goal of killing unarmed protestors. Also, Japan doesn't have nukes.

[Cameroi]

armed robbery is armed robbery. whatever the romance of performing it in international waters, nor the history of doing so, armed robbery is still armed robbery.

of course i'll grant; "grand theft sailing ship", is at least amusing. and often it was an employee revolt against intolerable working conditions, so i can't say anything against that either.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

You'd think they'd done something morally wrong from the way you're talking. And incompetent as they may be, I'm not seeing it.

If you find vigilantism morally correct or acceptable, you're operating a long way from my side of the issue.

It's not vigilantism, though. They are enforcing UN law as put forward by the Nature Charter, which was signed...by Japan.

[The Pan-Asian Conglomerate]

I support this motion.

Which is also the most laughably impractical and wildly wasteful suggestion put forward yet, on top of being completely wrongheaded in about four distinct ways.
the Japanese government is not about to deploy the Self-Defense Navy or whatever the hell it's called to protect the scows with the goal of killing unarmed protestors. Also, Japan doesn't have nukes.

Dear me, how could you think I was serious?

Although I had no signs of being sarcastic itself, one would think the ridiculous concept put forth would be enough for that.

In my opinion, these people should have been classified as a menace a long time ago. Good riddance.