Iceland Plans to Ban Internet Porn

[The Zeonic States]

Alright time to invade Iceland and install democracy...Oh wait.

[San Leggera]

Your polls are the greatest!

Thanks.

I do what I can.

But how long before there is only one option: Hasselhoff?

[Minoriteeburg]

Stop putting words in my mouth. I said the possession / watching of child porn, not production. Come on...

You're arguing that child porn should be legal because no one gets hurt (I suspect it was a strawman but I am not going to check). I'm giving you the reason why NO sane person would legalize it.

It's completely immoral for one...

[The Rebel Alliances]

So wait...7 and 8 year olds are supposed to watch porn?
Tell me I am mistaking your post.

You are.

Your upbringing is what caused you to react that way to what you saw. Not the porn itself.

More clear?

OK, I can see that. But I still dont really blame the upbringing so much. And I should not have seen the video that young regardless of my upbringing in my opinion.

Just bad luck I suppose. Crap happens. No matter what your intensions are.

[Immoren]

It is proven that some people are aroused by violence and abuse, why else would sadomasochism be so popular? Some people are aroused by murder, so should it be illegal in this case?

Sorry, could you be more clear?

The only persons who would be aroused by violence are serial killers, I guess. So, you think they should notbe in jail?

Not all who are aroused by violence (or "violence") are serial killers and not all serial killers get sexual pleasure from their acts.

[Night Elven Empire]

You are.

Your upbringing is what caused you to react that way to what you saw. Not the porn itself.

More clear?

OK, I can see that. But I still dont really blame the upbringing so much. And I should not have seen the video that young regardless of my upbringing in my opinion.

Just bad luck I suppose. Crap happens. No matter what your intensions are.

Parents still have the power the censor what their children watch themselves. It's not the government's job to raise your kid for you.

[The Zeonic States]

You're arguing that child porn should be legal because no one gets hurt (I suspect it was a strawman but I am not going to check). I'm giving you the reason why NO sane person would legalize it.

Child porn doesn't hurt anybody. Except the children. Hurrdurr.

Exactly!

Or the very least get off peoples asses about computer generated images.

<_< Its completely legal...Under current statutes.

[Lolination]

right to privacy.

Not a human right. For instance, government officials, or any public figure that is paid for my the masses should not have such a right.

The only persons who would be aroused by violence are serial killers, I guess. So, you think they should notbe in jail?

No, you were claiming that child porn is different than murder videos, and should be illegal because people watch them with a sexual lust. I'm saying that some people also have a lust for murder videos, should shouldn't murder videos also be illegal on the same grounds?

[Minoriteeburg]

OK, I can see that. But I still dont really blame the upbringing so much. And I should not have seen the video that young regardless of my upbringing in my opinion.

Just bad luck I suppose. Crap happens. No matter what your intensions are.

Parents still have the power the censor what their children watch themselves. It's not the government's job to raise your kid for you.

^This.

Besides, all parents know about Parental Controls on PCs, Televisions, and the like. They just don't seem to want to use them.

[New England and The Maritimes]

right to privacy.

Not a human right. For instance, government officials, or any public figure that is paid for my the masses should not have such a right.

The only persons who would be aroused by violence are serial killers, I guess. So, you think they should notbe in jail?

No, you were claiming that child porn is different than murder videos, and should be illegal because people watch them with a sexual lust. I'm saying that some people also have a lust for murder videos, should shouldn't murder videos also be illegal on the same grounds?

Yes, taking a video of murdering someone should be illegal, as well as possessing it and thus increasing the demand for such content.

[The Zeonic States]

You're arguing that child porn should be legal because no one gets hurt (I suspect it was a strawman but I am not going to check). I'm giving you the reason why NO sane person would legalize it.

It's completely immoral for one...

Immoral? Hardly

No more immoral then normal Porn to be honest.

.-. Honestly this current generation and the last one and about two before that have had this stick up their collective ass about age of consent and children and such but even they weren't as bad as the last two or even this one.

Honestly sheltering children is doing them a diservice.

I am not advocating child rape or any thing as vulgar as that i am however advocating Young adults right to choice.

[Night Elven Empire]

Parents still have the power the censor what their children watch themselves. It's not the government's job to raise your kid for you.

^This.

Besides, all parents know about Parental Controls on PCs, Televisions, and the like. They just don't seem to want to use them.

Why do something when myself when daddy government can do it for me? The government-dependent mindset of people now sickens me.

[Scholencia]

Sorry, could you be more clear?

The only persons who would be aroused by violence are serial killers, I guess. So, you think they should notbe in jail?

Not all who are aroused by violence (or "violence") are serial killers and not all serial killers get sexual pleasure from their acts.

Yes, they are not. But there is a chance that they might comited a crime/act. Do you agree with that?

I hope you understand that there is a reason why people who have a desire to kill must ofthen go to mental insittutions.

[Souseiseki]

Not all who are aroused by violence (or "violence") are serial killers and not all serial killers get sexual pleasure from their acts.

Yes, they are not. But there is a chance that they might comited a crime/act. Do you agree with that?

There's a chance you might commit a crime/act.

[The Zeonic States]

Yes, they are not. But there is a chance that they might comited a crime/act. Do you agree with that?

There's a chance you might commit a crime/act.

[Minoriteeburg]

^This.

Besides, all parents know about Parental Controls on PCs, Televisions, and the like. They just don't seem to want to use them.

Why do something when myself when daddy government can do it for me? The government-dependent mindset of people know sickens me.

It really is sad. I mean I have been dependent on the government when I had a really hard time getting a job, but once I got back on my feet, I said goodbye to government-dependency. Obviously that situation is a little different, but the point is still the same.

There are times when it is needed, but not for everything. Especially not for raising your children for you.

[Lolination]

Nobody has a right to another person, grow up. Humans have a natural right to life, liberty, and property. Neither of those three rights are violated when you watch child pornography, so therefore pedophiles should be able to watch them.

Property is a fiction. Liberty is not something that can be guaranteed in the locke-ian sense, since we're all at the mercy of our social lives. Humans have the right to life and equal access to the resources necessary for that life and its enrichment.

Property is essential. How can you say humans have a right to life, or anything else, without having property rights. Right to life is nothing more than a right to self-ownership. And how does society affect your right to liberty any more than right to life?

Child pornography is a violation of the right to life, as it violates the rights of a child in its production.

I agree it's a violation of rights, but how does it violate their right to life?

[Souseiseki]

It's completely immoral for one...

Immoral? Hardly

No more immoral then normal Porn to be honest.

.-. Honestly this current generation and the last one and about two before that have had this stick up their collective ass about age of consent and children and such but even they weren't as bad as the last two or even this one.

Honestly sheltering children is doing them a diservice.

I am not advocating child rape or any thing as vulgar as that i am however advocating Young adults right to choice.

there's always one guy that pops into the discussion and says "well 17 year olds are child porn, i support child porn!!! heh! :-)". are you that guy?

needless to say young adults are not the subject of discussion

though it's not needless to say, is it? i jsut had to say it

[Night Elven Empire]

Why do something when myself when daddy government can do it for me? The government-dependent mindset of people know sickens me.

It really is sad. I mean I have been dependent on the government when I had a really hard time getting a job, but once I got back on my feet, I said goodbye to government-dependency. Obviously that situation is a little different, but the point is still the same.

There are times when it is needed, but not for everything. Especially not for raising your children for you.

I'm rather capitalist, but I get your point. I still agree with you, of course.

[The American Nuclear Fallout Zone]

Iceland is run by geniuses, they realize that by banning porn they can corner the porn market thanks to tax evasion and black marketing and the utter futility of trying to enforce the law. Then a few years down the line they legalize it after 100% of porn sites are icelandic in origin and BAM, instant taxes.
Probably helps the tourism industry too. "Ima go to iceland, where the porn is from."

That plan is truly brilliant.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Property is a fiction. Liberty is not something that can be guaranteed in the locke-ian sense, since we're all at the mercy of our social lives. Humans have the right to life and equal access to the resources necessary for that life and its enrichment.

Property is essential. How can you say humans have a right to life, or anything else, without having property rights. Right to life is nothing more than a right to self-ownership. And how does society affect your right to liberty any more than right to life?

This is not the thread for this discussion. Ownership is not a real thing, use is the measurable quantity.

Child pornography is a violation of the right to life, as it violates the rights of a child in its production.

I agree it's a violation of rights, but how does it violate their right to life?

Your right to life includes a right to safety in so far as a life is maximized by safety.

[The Zeonic States]

Immoral? Hardly

No more immoral then normal Porn to be honest.

.-. Honestly this current generation and the last one and about two before that have had this stick up their collective ass about age of consent and children and such but even they weren't as bad as the last two or even this one.

Honestly sheltering children is doing them a diservice.

I am not advocating child rape or any thing as vulgar as that i am however advocating Young adults right to choice.

there's always one guy that pops into the discussion and says "well 17 year olds are child porn, i support child porn!!! heh! :-)". are you that guy?

needless to say young adults are not the subject of discussion

though it's not needless to say, is it? i jsut had to say it

I was just writing a comment in response to a person's opinion.

You know tossing out another opinion.

And Obviously it isn't on topic but you not going after the one who started it but rather the latest to comemnt on it but alright; but it came up and a comment cought my eye and i replied.

End of story.

[Scholencia]

Yes, they are not. But there is a chance that they might comited a crime/act. Do you agree with that?

There's a chance you might commit a crime/act.

Well, yeah, it depens just which.

[Immoren]

Not all who are aroused by violence (or "violence") are serial killers and not all serial killers get sexual pleasure from their acts.

Yes, they are not. But there is a chance that they might comited a crime/act. Do you agree with that?

I hope you understand that there is a reason why people who have a desire to kill must ofthen go to mental insittutions.

*nods and wears smile of feigned understanding*
I wonder what he's trying to say.

[Minoriteeburg]

It really is sad. I mean I have been dependent on the government when I had a really hard time getting a job, but once I got back on my feet, I said goodbye to government-dependency. Obviously that situation is a little different, but the point is still the same.

There are times when it is needed, but not for everything. Especially not for raising your children for you.

I'm rather capitalist, but I get your point. I still agree with you, of course.

I'll drink to that.