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Distruzio wrote:

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Who said this?

Jesus.

Menassa wrote:The Original 24 books of the Bible do not mention a Christian version of hell.... they speak of something known as Sheol... a dark bottomless chasm away from God... however, Jews believe in some sort of temporary punishment for your sins... indeed it is a fiery place.

I believe the Talmud says that one such punishment is angles batting your soul across the entire universe.

Lot of Religious threads today... for Purim?

Distruzio wrote:

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:I'm beginning to get a clearer picture here. You believe that the Church is infallible because it has divine authority passed on from Jesus to his disciples, who began the Church. You also reject the authority of any Church other than the Eastern Orthodox, including the Catholic and the Protestant Churches, correct?

I only reject the non-apostolic churches. Protestants aren't Christian, in my opinion. The Catholics, Orientals, Nestorians, and others are merely schismatic rather than heretical. I may disagree with certain doctrines of theirs, but I recognize them as Christian.

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:

Distruzio wrote:
Jesus.

Catechism 82 of the Roman Catholic Church is not Jeshua.

Desperate Measures wrote:

Menassa wrote:The Original 24 books of the Bible do not mention a Christian version of hell.... they speak of something known as Sheol... a dark bottomless chasm away from God... however, Jews believe in some sort of temporary punishment for your sins... indeed it is a fiery place.

I believe the Talmud says that one such punishment is angles batting your soul across the entire universe.

Lot of Religious threads today... for Purim?

This is why I like Jews, even the punishments are awesome. Yeah, getting batted by an angel sucks. But you get to see the entire universe! And you get "I was batted by an angel" bragging rights.

Cill Airne wrote:

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Who said this?

The quotes come from the Catechism of the Catholic Church

Distruzio wrote:

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Catechism 82 of the Roman Catholic Church is not Jeshua.

No it isn't. Is there a reason you're mentioning that?

Menassa wrote:

Desperate Measures wrote:This is why I like Jews, even the punishments are awesome. Yeah, getting batted by an angel sucks. But you get to see the entire universe! And you get "I was batted by an angel" bragging rights.

Then you get to go to heaven....

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:

Distruzio wrote:
I only reject the non-apostolic churches. Protestants aren't Christian, in my opinion. The Catholics, Orientals, Nestorians, and others are merely schismatic rather than heretical. I may disagree with certain doctrines of theirs, but I recognize them as Christian.

Well here's the problem. Jesus gave authority to the disciples to teach the Word of God, but not the successors of the disciples, thus rendering their successors' authority on The Bible illegitimate.

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:

Cill Airne wrote:The quotes come from the Catechism of the Catholic Church

God didn't write that, men did.

Desperate Measures wrote:

Menassa wrote:Then you get to go to heaven....

Awesomer and awesomer. It's kind of a pity that I just don't believe.

Cill Airne wrote:

Distruzio wrote:
No it isn't. Is there a reason you're mentioning that?

My quotes that were spoiled did indeed come from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. My first statement however, did not.

Menassa wrote:

Desperate Measures wrote:Awesomer and awesomer. It's kind of a pity that I just don't believe.

Oh... you don't need to 'Be Jewish' to reap Jewish rewards... you just need the 7 laws...

Distruzio wrote:

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Well here's the problem. Jesus gave authority to the disciples to teach the Word of God, but not the successors of the disciples, thus rendering their successors' authority on The Bible illegitimate.

Jesus gave authority to the disciples to teach the Word of God knowing they were fallible men and yet assured Peter that the gates of Hell Hades would not stand against the Church He built upon Peter. If Peter and the others were good enough to warrant Jesus' trust, then assuming that they weren't good enough to pass that authority down is to call Jesus a liar. He isn't a liar. He is God.

Desperate Measures wrote:

Menassa wrote:Oh... you don't need to 'Be Jewish' to reap Jewish rewards... you just need the 7 laws...

What are those?

Desperate Measures wrote:

Menassa wrote:Oh... you don't need to 'Be Jewish' to reap Jewish rewards... you just need the 7 laws...

What are those?

Cill Airne wrote:

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:God didn't write that, men did.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a summary of the principles of the Christian religion - it is the Church's "this is what we believe in and why". It is explaining why and is not the source of authority.

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:

Cill Airne wrote:The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a summary of the principles of the Christian religion - it is the Church's "this is what we believe in and why". It is explaining why and is not the source of authority.

You stated that the Church is authorised by God. I want some evidence.

Cill Airne wrote:

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:You stated that the Church is authorised by God. I want some evidence.

Distruzio has already covered that, however. Authority was given to Peter and he built God's Church. Peter's successors had his authority passed down to them.

Menassa wrote:

Desperate Measures wrote:What are those?

7 Noahide Laws

Desperate Measures wrote:

Menassa wrote:7 Noahide Laws

Guilty of blasphemy and probably sexual immorality.

Desperate Measures wrote:

Menassa wrote:7 Noahide Laws

Guilty of blasphemy and probably sexual immorality.

Menassa wrote:

Desperate Measures wrote:What are those?

7 Noahide Laws

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:

Distruzio wrote:
Jesus gave authority to the disciples to teach the Word of God knowing they were fallible men and yet assured Peter that the gates of Hell Hades would not stand against the Church He built upon Peter. If Peter and the others were good enough to warrant Jesus' trust, then assuming that they weren't good enough to pass that authority down is to call Jesus a liar. He isn't a liar. He is God.

Ficks'd.

Also, he gave trust to them to spread the Word of God, not to appoint successors to spread the Word in their stead. He never states that their successors should spread the Word of God, just the disciples themselves.

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:

Menassa wrote:7 Noahide Laws

Guilty of idolatry and blasphemy.

Mostly the latter.