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Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:49 am**

The Kal Empire wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote: In Christianity, this ‘damnation’ is supposed to be the punishment for refusing Christ and failing to repent one’s wrongdoing (or sin) against God.

Incorrect.

A sin is a wrongdoing of any kind, that is punished by God.

Murder, for example, is not sinning against God, but it is sinning, and therefor one would be sent to the fiery pits of Hell for eternal damnation.

Sinning against God would be more like urinating on a Church wall.

Urinating on churches isn't a sin. Churches aren't holy.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:09 pm**

Distruzio wrote:Jesus isn't dead. He yet lives, is the point.

In the city of Rhy'leh dead Nazarene lies dreaming...

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:09 pm**

Distruzio wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:But the fact that Jesus neglected to say that Peter's successors were a legitimate authority to interpret the Bible doesn't mean that we should assume that they were. If anything, we should assume the opposite.

It's like suggesting that because I pass an item onto my friend when I die, I want their son to have it when they die.

Jesus isn't dead. He yet lives, is the point.

Not on this mortal plane.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:09 pm**

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Jesus isn't dead. He yet lives, is the point.

Not on this mortal plane.

Yes. In this mortal plane.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:11 pm**

Distruzio wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:Not on this mortal plane.

Yes. In this mortal plane.

Prove it without reciting any passages from the Bible or the words of any pope, archbishop, or cardinal.

Go.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:13 pm**

Death Metal wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
Yes. In this mortal plane.

Prove it without reciting any passages from the Bible or the words of any pope, archbishop, or cardinal.

Go.

The Church exists.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:15 pm**

Distruzio wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Prove it without reciting any passages from the Bible or the words of any pope, archbishop, or cardinal.

Go.

The Church exists.

So do mosques and synagogues, or at a wider level Islam, Judaism, Hinduism and hundreds of other "false religions". Your point?

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:16 pm**

Distruzio wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Prove it without reciting any passages from the Bible or the words of any pope, archbishop, or cardinal.

Go.

The Church exists.

Proves nothing. That's like saying Henry Ford is still alive because Ford Automotive still exists.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:18 pm**

Death Metal wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
The Church exists.

Proves nothing. That's like saying Henry Ford is still alive because Ford Automotive still exists.

If Ford Automotive began issuing company-wide edicts in his name, then yes, that proves he is very much alive.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:21 pm**

Distruzio wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Proves nothing. That's like saying Henry Ford is still alive because Ford Automotive still exists.

If Ford Automotive began issuing company-wide edicts in his name, then yes, that proves he is very much alive.

No it doesn't. It means his memory is alive, not the actual person.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:21 pm**

Distruzio wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Proves nothing. That's like saying Henry Ford is still alive because Ford Automotive still exists.

If Ford Automotive began issuing company-wide edicts in his name, then yes, that proves he is very much alive.

No. They're just issuing edicts in his name, rather than him doing it himself.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:24 pm**

Distruzio wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Proves nothing. That's like saying Henry Ford is still alive because Ford Automotive still exists.

If Ford Automotive began issuing company-wide edicts in his name, then yes, that proves he is very much alive.

This makes no sense, bro.

Besides, God doesn't work like that. People aren't resurrected from death.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:25 pm**

Next he's going to say that memory alive does mean person alive, which isn't just moving the goalposts, that's moving the entire pitch. To Mars.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:26 pm**

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Distruzio wrote:

If Ford Automotive began issuing company-wide edicts in his name, then yes, that proves he is very much alive.

This makes no sense, bro.

Besides, God doesn't work like that. People aren't resurrected from death.

Christ is, and was. Although, in fairness he doesn't fall into the usual description of "people". Lazarus however...

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:27 pm**

Death Metal wrote:
Distruzio wrote:

If Ford Automotive began issuing company-wide edicts in his name, then yes, that proves he is very much alive.

No it doesn't. It means his memory is alive, not the actual person.

How do you mean memory?

The Holy Spirit is with us, this is the spirit of God. It is with us, it is real, it is alive, and so then, is Christ.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:29 pm**

Death Metal wrote:
Distruzio wrote:

If Ford Automotive began issuing company-wide edicts in his name, then yes, that proves he is very much alive.

No it doesn't. It means his memory is alive, not the actual person.

Of course. In the case of the Church, however, it does, in fact, mean that Christ yet resides on this plane of existence. I am saying that the Church is a part of the Godhead infused, as it is, by the Holy Spirit, and headed, as it is, by Christ.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:29 pm**

The Merchant Republics wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
No it doesn't. It means his memory is alive, not the actual person.

How do you mean memory?

The Holy Spirit is with us, this is the spirit of God. It is with us, it is real, it is alive, and so then, is Christ.

Dogma is not fact.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:29 pm**

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Distruzio wrote:

If Ford Automotive began issuing company-wide edicts in his name, then yes, that proves he is very much alive.

No. They're just issuing edicts in his name, rather than him doing it himself.

The Church is the Body of Christ. When it speaks, He speaks.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:30 pm**

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Distruzio wrote:

If Ford Automotive began issuing company-wide edicts in his name, then yes, that proves he is very much alive.

This makes no sense, bro.

Besides, God doesn't work like that. People aren't resurrected from death.

The Jews thought the same thing. They were wrong.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:30 pm**

Distruzio wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
No it doesn't. It means his memory is alive, not the actual person.

Of course. In the case of the Church, however, it does, in fact, mean that Christ yet resides on this plane of existence.

And now the pitch is on Mars, just like I predicted.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:31 pm**

Death Metal wrote:
The Merchant Republics wrote:
How do you mean memory?

The Holy Spirit is with us, this is the spirit of God. It is with us, it is real, it is alive, and so then, is Christ.

Dogma is not fact.

If we could prove that it was a fact, it would destroy the need for faith, and thus the entire premise of Christianity.
In case anyone says that this lack of factual evidence proves Christianity false, where are all of evolution's missing links?

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:32 pm**

Distruzio wrote:
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:No. They're just issuing edicts in his name, rather than him doing it himself.

The Church is the Body of Christ. When it speaks, He speaks.

We've already concluded that Jesus never legitimised the Church to teach the Word of God, merely Peter.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:33 pm**

Nationalist State of Knox wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
The Church is the Body of Christ. When it speaks, He speaks.

We've already concluded that Jesus never legitimised the Church to teach the Word of God, merely Peter.

Incorrect. You've concluded that and, in doing so, dismissed our entire conversation because the conversation challenged your predetermined position stated in the OP.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:34 pm**

Death Metal wrote:
Distruzio wrote:

Of course. In the case of the Church, however, it does, in fact, mean that Christ yet resides on this plane of existence.

And now the pitch is on Mars, just like I predicted.

We do not share similar faiths, DM. Of course my reasoning would seem foreign to you.

Posted: **Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:35 pm**

The North Polish Union wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Dogma is not fact.

If we could prove that it was a fact, it would destroy the need for faith, and thus the entire premise of Christianity.

Incorrect. That isn't the purpose of dogma at all. It is meant to guide the interpretation of faith within a reasonable world. It is not meant to supplant fact.

In case anyone says that this lack of factual evidence proves Christianity false, where are all of evolution's missing links?

Not discovered yet? :palm:

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