The Bible and Hell

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Who said this?

Jesus.

Catechism 82 of the Roman Catholic Church is not Jeshua.

[Desperate Measures]

The Original 24 books of the Bible do not mention a Christian version of hell.... they speak of something known as Sheol... a dark bottomless chasm away from God... however, Jews believe in some sort of temporary punishment for your sins... indeed it is a fiery place.

I believe the Talmud says that one such punishment is angles batting your soul across the entire universe.

Lot of Religious threads today... for Purim?

This is why I like Jews, even the punishments are awesome. Yeah, getting batted by an angel sucks. But you get to see the entire universe! And you get "I was batted by an angel" bragging rights.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

I'm beginning to get a clearer picture here. You believe that the Church is infallible because it has divine authority passed on from Jesus to his disciples, who began the Church. You also reject the authority of any Church other than the Eastern Orthodox, including the Catholic and the Protestant Churches, correct?

I only reject the non-apostolic churches. Protestants aren't Christian, in my opinion. The Catholics, Orientals, Nestorians, and others are merely schismatic rather than heretical. I may disagree with certain doctrines of theirs, but I recognize them as Christian.

Well here's the problem. Jesus gave authority to the disciples to teach the Word of God, but not the successors of the disciples, thus rendering their successors' authority on The Bible illegitimate.

[Distruzio]

Jesus.

Catechism 82 of the Roman Catholic Church is not Jeshua.

No it isn't. Is there a reason you're mentioning that?

[Menassa]

The Original 24 books of the Bible do not mention a Christian version of hell.... they speak of something known as Sheol... a dark bottomless chasm away from God... however, Jews believe in some sort of temporary punishment for your sins... indeed it is a fiery place.

I believe the Talmud says that one such punishment is angles batting your soul across the entire universe.

Lot of Religious threads today... for Purim?

This is why I like Jews, even the punishments are awesome. Yeah, getting batted by an angel sucks. But you get to see the entire universe! And you get "I was batted by an angel" bragging rights.

Then you get to go to heaven....

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Who said this?

The quotes come from the Catechism of the Catholic Church

God didn't write that, men did.

[Cill Airne]

Catechism 82 of the Roman Catholic Church is not Jeshua.

No it isn't. Is there a reason you're mentioning that?

My quotes that were spoiled did indeed come from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. My first statement however, did not.

[Desperate Measures]

This is why I like Jews, even the punishments are awesome. Yeah, getting batted by an angel sucks. But you get to see the entire universe! And you get "I was batted by an angel" bragging rights.

Then you get to go to heaven....

Awesomer and awesomer. It's kind of a pity that I just don't believe.

[Distruzio]

I only reject the non-apostolic churches. Protestants aren't Christian, in my opinion. The Catholics, Orientals, Nestorians, and others are merely schismatic rather than heretical. I may disagree with certain doctrines of theirs, but I recognize them as Christian.

Well here's the problem. Jesus gave authority to the disciples to teach the Word of God, but not the successors of the disciples, thus rendering their successors' authority on The Bible illegitimate.

Jesus gave authority to the disciples to teach the Word of God knowing they were fallible men and yet assured Peter that the gates of Hell would not stand against the Church He built upon Peter. If Peter and the others were good enough to warrant Jesus' trust, then assuming that they weren't good enough to pass that authority down is to call Jesus a liar. He isn't a liar. He is God.

[Cill Airne]

The quotes come from the Catechism of the Catholic Church

God didn't write that, men did.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a summary of the principles of the Christian religion - it is the Church's "this is what we believe in and why". It is explaining why and is not the source of authority.

[Menassa]

Then you get to go to heaven....

Awesomer and awesomer. It's kind of a pity that I just don't believe.

Oh... you don't need to 'Be Jewish' to reap Jewish rewards... you just need the 7 laws...

[Distruzio]

No it isn't. Is there a reason you're mentioning that?

My quotes that were spoiled did indeed come from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. My first statement however, did not.

I know. But Jesus did assure Peter that He'd build the Church upon him and that nothing would destroy it. Which implies that, since Peter was only a man (a fallen man), the others who shared in Peters divinely granted authority would be able to maintain the Church. Jesus said that shiznit.

[Desperate Measures]

Awesomer and awesomer. It's kind of a pity that I just don't believe.

Oh... you don't need to 'Be Jewish' to reap Jewish rewards... you just need the 7 laws...

What are those?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Well here's the problem. Jesus gave authority to the disciples to teach the Word of God, but not the successors of the disciples, thus rendering their successors' authority on The Bible illegitimate.

Jesus gave authority to the disciples to teach the Word of God knowing they were fallible men and yet assured Peter that the gates of Hell Hades would not stand against the Church He built upon Peter. If Peter and the others were good enough to warrant Jesus' trust, then assuming that they weren't good enough to pass that authority down is to call Jesus a liar. He isn't a liar. He is God.

Ficks'd.

Also, he gave trust to them to spread the Word of God, not to appoint successors to spread the Word in their stead. He never states that their successors should spread the Word of God, just the disciples themselves.

[DogDoo 7]

Oh... you don't need to 'Be Jewish' to reap Jewish rewards... you just need the 7 laws...

What are those?

Prohibition of Idolatry
Prohibition of Murder
Prohibition of Theft
Prohibition of Sexual immorality
Prohibition of Blasphemy
Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
Establishment of courts of law

[Menassa]

Oh... you don't need to 'Be Jewish' to reap Jewish rewards... you just need the 7 laws...

What are those?

7 Noahide Laws

[Nationalist State of Knox]

God didn't write that, men did.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a summary of the principles of the Christian religion - it is the Church's "this is what we believe in and why". It is explaining why and is not the source of authority.

You stated that the Church is authorised by God. I want some evidence.

[Cill Airne]

The Catechism of the Catholic Church is a summary of the principles of the Christian religion - it is the Church's "this is what we believe in and why". It is explaining why and is not the source of authority.

You stated that the Church is authorised by God. I want some evidence.

Distruzio has already covered that, however. Authority was given to Peter and he built God's Church. Peter's successors had his authority passed down to them.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

You stated that the Church is authorised by God. I want some evidence.

Distruzio has already covered that, however. Authority was given to Peter and he built God's Church. Peter's successors had his authority passed down to them.

Illegitimately. Jesus never granted authority to Peter's successors.

[Desperate Measures]

What are those?

7 Noahide Laws

Guilty of blasphemy and probably sexual immorality.

[Menassa]

7 Noahide Laws

Guilty of blasphemy and probably sexual immorality.

It's interesting to note... I believe there is a debate of what constitutes sexual immorality for Gentiles... Homosexuality is a part of the debate... but that's neither here nor there... we should get back to talking about Gehnoim

[DogDoo 7]

7 Noahide Laws

Guilty of blasphemy and probably sexual immorality.

You've never eaten live sweet shrimp at a sushi restaurant?

[Nationalist State of Knox]

What are those?

7 Noahide Laws

Guilty of idolatry and blasphemy.

Mostly the latter.

[Distruzio]

Jesus gave authority to the disciples to teach the Word of God knowing they were fallible men and yet assured Peter that the gates of Hell Hades would not stand against the Church He built upon Peter. If Peter and the others were good enough to warrant Jesus' trust, then assuming that they weren't good enough to pass that authority down is to call Jesus a liar. He isn't a liar. He is God.

Ficks'd.

Also, he gave trust to them to spread the Word of God, not to appoint successors to spread the Word in their stead. He never states that their successors should spread the Word of God, just the disciples themselves.

Like I said in my threads, there is nothing in the Bible about worship. Therefore, the Church is needed to show people how to worship appropriately. The very limitations of Jesus' instructions that you point out here are the very reasons for Holy Tradition, the Patriarchal Consensus, and the Bible. All three are necessary to worship correctly. Otherwise, one falls into heresy.

[Menassa]

7 Noahide Laws

Guilty of idolatry and blasphemy.

Mostly the latter.

What Idols have you worshiped?