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Are the Republicans holding back the social and economic progress of the United States?

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Postby Liriena » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:06 am

Wesibaden wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:How so?

Let us not forget the democrats / Congress were the ones who forced banks to give out loans to people who could not pay them back

Also trying to disarm American Citizens from owning AR-15's which is a Civilian weapon


A civilian weapon that apparently has not helped any law abiding citizen in the US in any way.
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Postby Jentoan » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:06 am

I personally like the Republicans on economic issues (lower taxes, less spending, and less government intervention in the free market), but on social issues (except gun control and I consider gun control to be a social issue), I disagree with them a lot. I am an Independent, but I would be best described as a Libertarian.
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Postby Sheltopolis » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:08 am

Liriena wrote:
Conservative Idealism wrote:He said it, and I'm saying it. The past few presidents we've had are horrible - the last mediocre president we had was Clinton (more of a centrist than anything, astonishingly), and the last great president we had was Reagan. Obama and Bush have both been horribly wrong in thinking the government should spend any more than it already does - the federal budget must be strongly reconsidered and revised so that the people know what they're spending tax money on.

Yeah, Congress doesn't let much through conservative-wise anymore, what with all of the nominal-at-best Republicans and socialist-at-worst Democrats, so I'd say it's holding stuff up. Just look at the presidential administration - Obama might not look like much of a socialist (though I suspect he is), but the people he surrounds himself by are another matter.


If the current administration were, in any way, even remotely close to socialism, the state of labor laws would be quite different than it is today.

As for Reagan, remember that Reagan was the one that increased the debt at an absurd rate, increased overall spending with no justification or need, committed and promoted international law and human rights violations, and stood by while the early AIDS epidemic wiped out countless innocent gays and African Americans.


Reagan is the reason the Cold War ended when it did. So yes, the spending did have justification.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:08 am

Liriena wrote:
Wesibaden wrote:Let us not forget the democrats / Congress were the ones who forced banks to give out loans to people who could not pay them back

Also trying to disarm American Citizens from owning AR-15's which is a Civilian weapon


A civilian weapon that apparently has not helped any law abiding citizen in the US in any way.


My step dad goes Coyote hunting with an AR-10 every weekend, It help's him quite a bit.
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Postby Free Detroit » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:08 am

The Holy Roman Reich wrote:Politicians like Obama and "Republicans" like Bush and are holding the US back. This country needs less government and less taxes. America's problem isn't that the government isn't getting enough tax revenue, it's the fact that the money it gets through tax revenue is mismanaged. Currently, I think what's holding back the US is Congress and their inability to hold up the Constitution and a presidential administration that is hell bent on turning the US into a socialist "paradise".


So... Tax money is mismanaged, therefore the only solution is to get rid of tax money. Our social welfare programs are inefficient by design, therefore the only solution is to give up on social welfare. Our pubic sector is corrupt and undemocratic, therefore we should put all our trust in private corporations and oligarchs.

Sadly, THIS is what passes for rational decision making in the republican world... :palm:
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Postby Liriena » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:10 am

Jentoan wrote:lower taxes (only for the wealthy), less spending (except in the military), and less government intervention in the free market (except for unnecessary subsidies for big corporations)


Fixed.

And, again...their alleged economic ideals have been proven to be detrimental to an economy in times of crisis.
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Postby Sheltopolis » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:11 am

Liriena wrote:
Jentoan wrote:lower taxes (only for the wealthy), less spending (except in the military), and less government intervention in the free market (except for unnecessary subsidies for big corporations)


Fixed.

And, again...their alleged economic ideals have been proven to be detrimental to an economy in times of crisis.


Republicans do not advocate for increasing taxes on the poor/middle class. I don't even know how liberals/democrats/progressivists get such ideas.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:12 am

Sheltopolis wrote:
Liriena wrote:
If the current administration were, in any way, even remotely close to socialism, the state of labor laws would be quite different than it is today.

As for Reagan, remember that Reagan was the one that increased the debt at an absurd rate, increased overall spending with no justification or need, committed and promoted international law and human rights violations, and stood by while the early AIDS epidemic wiped out countless innocent gays and African Americans.


Reagan is the reason the Cold War ended when it did. So yes, the spending did have justification.


Not really. The increased military spending was minimal compared to the rest of the increased spending. And since the USSR itself did not react, spending-wise, to Reagan's increased military spending in any way, one could argue that Reagan's policies really didn't do much for the fall of the USSR.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:12 am

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Liriena wrote:
A civilian weapon that apparently has not helped any law abiding citizen in the US in any way.


My step dad goes Coyote hunting with an AR-10 every weekend, It help's him quite a bit.


Notice how I said AR-15.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:14 am

Liriena wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
My step dad goes Coyote hunting with an AR-10 every weekend, It help's him quite a bit.


Notice how I said AR-15.

Cheeko uses that one. Same purpose. Less (Well it was) Expensive ammo.



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Postby Liriena » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:14 am

Sheltopolis wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Fixed.

And, again...their alleged economic ideals have been proven to be detrimental to an economy in times of crisis.


Republicans do not advocate for increasing taxes on the poor/middle class. I don't even know how liberals/democrats/progressivists get such ideas.


Did I say Republicans increased taxes on the poor/middle class? No.
But you cannot deny that the Republicans have made it their duty in life to ensure that the weight of the nation's necessities rests mostly on the shoulders of the poor and the middle class, and that the wealthiest get exempted from contributing much to the development of the nation.
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Postby Free Detroit » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:15 am

Sheltopolis wrote:Reagan is the reason the Cold War ended when it did. So yes, the spending did have justification.


As if ending the Cold War: 1) had any effect on your quality of life whatsoever, 2) reduced the number of threats to global peace or made the world safer, 3) otherwise mattered at all to anyone in the US other than multinationals who saw new markets in former Eastern Bloc countries and a few politicians who got to pat themselves on the back.
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Postby Idaho Conservatives » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:16 am

Liriena wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
My step dad goes Coyote hunting with an AR-10 every weekend, It help's him quite a bit.


Notice how I said AR-15.


They are pretty much the same gun.
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Postby Wesibaden » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:17 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Wesibaden wrote:Let us not forget the democrats / Congress were the ones who forced banks to give out loans to people who could not pay them back

Also trying to disarm American Citizens from owning AR-15's which is a Civilian weapon

Source, and source.

My guess is you hardly ever watch congress live?? http://www.c-span.org/ you can actually tell by cspan that House is doing more good then the senete its quite sad really

As for the AR-15 it is a civilian version of the M-16 not one military force on this planet uses it

And it is not a Assault rifle the AR stands for ArmaLite rifle http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01 ... demonized/ I also happened to purchase a AR-15 back in Feb 2012
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Postby Unchecked Expansion » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:18 am

Liriena wrote:Not really. The increased military spending was minimal compared to the rest of the increased spending. And since the USSR itself did not react, spending-wise, to Reagan's increased military spending in any way, one could argue that Reagan's policies really didn't do much for the fall of the USSR.

Wasn't Reagan's aggression used by Soviet hard-liners to justify holding on to power and blocking reform?
So yeah, he was the reason it ended then, without him it could have ended a few years earlier.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:19 am

Wesibaden wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Source, and source.

My guess is you hardly ever watch congress live?? http://www.c-span.org/ you can actually tell by cspan that House is doing more good then the senete its quite sad really

As for the AR-15 it is a civilian version of the M-16 not one military force on this planet uses it

And it is not a Assault rifle the AR stands for ArmaLite rifle http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01 ... demonized/ I also happened to purchase a AR-15 back in Feb 2012

You still haven't provided a source for your claims that "democrats / Congress were the ones who forced banks to give out loans to people who could not pay them back" and that the democrats are "Also trying to disarm American Citizens from owning AR-15's which is a Civilian weapon".
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Postby Sheltopolis » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:19 am

Liriena wrote:
Sheltopolis wrote:
Republicans do not advocate for increasing taxes on the poor/middle class. I don't even know how liberals/democrats/progressivists get such ideas.


Did I say Republicans increased taxes on the poor/middle class? No.
But you cannot deny that the Republicans have made it their duty in life to ensure that the weight of the nation's necessities rests mostly on the shoulders of the poor and the middle class, and that the wealthiest get exempted from contributing much to the development of the nation.


-Yes, I won't deny they fight to keep taxes the same for everyone
-However, it is not true Republicans want the nation's necessities to rest on the poor and middle class. When you want lower government spending (as Republicans do), there is no need for the weight to be put on the poor and middle class
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Postby Liriena » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:19 am

Wesibaden wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Source, and source.

My guess is you hardly ever watch congress live?? http://www.c-span.org/ you can actually tell by cspan that House is doing more good then the senete its quite sad really

As for the AR-15 it is a civilian version of the M-16 not one military force on this planet uses it

And it is not a Assault rifle the AR stands for ArmaLite rifle http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01 ... demonized/ I also happened to purchase a AR-15 back in Feb 2012


The Blaze? :eyebrow: Seriously? I'm going to read it anyway...but...the Blaze? The only "news" source in the world that was willing to hire Glenn Beck?
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:21 am

Sheltopolis wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Did I say Republicans increased taxes on the poor/middle class? No.
But you cannot deny that the Republicans have made it their duty in life to ensure that the weight of the nation's necessities rests mostly on the shoulders of the poor and the middle class, and that the wealthiest get exempted from contributing much to the development of the nation.


-Yes, I won't deny they fight to keep taxes the same for everyone
-However, it is not true Republicans want the nation's necessities to rest on the poor and middle class. When you want lower government spending (as Republicans do), there is no need for the weight to be put on the poor and middle class

Why is it that you want less spending? What good does that do?
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Postby Sheltopolis » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:22 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Sheltopolis wrote:
-Yes, I won't deny they fight to keep taxes the same for everyone
-However, it is not true Republicans want the nation's necessities to rest on the poor and middle class. When you want lower government spending (as Republicans do), there is no need for the weight to be put on the poor and middle class

Why is it that you want less spending? What good does that do?


It puts more money in the pockets of those who earned it (i.e. the citizens). This encourages incentive for people to start a small business, invest, etc....
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Postby Liriena » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:22 am

Sheltopolis wrote:
Liriena wrote:
Did I say Republicans increased taxes on the poor/middle class? No.
But you cannot deny that the Republicans have made it their duty in life to ensure that the weight of the nation's necessities rests mostly on the shoulders of the poor and the middle class, and that the wealthiest get exempted from contributing much to the development of the nation.


1) Yes, I won't deny they fight to keep taxes the same for everyone
2) However, it is not true Republicans want the nation's necessities to rest on the poor and middle class. When you want lower government spending (as Republicans do), there is no need for the weight to be put on the poor and middle class

1) Only, the tax rate for the wealthy is substantially lower than that of the poor and the middle class. It's not the same. Heck, it's not even regressive.
2) Again...lower government spending? Aren't these the guys whose latest presidential candidate called for increasing military spending a few hundred billions more, even when Defense didn't ask for it?
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:23 am

Sheltopolis wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Why is it that you want less spending? What good does that do?


It puts more money in the pockets of those who earned it (i.e. the citizens).

Government spending stimulates the economy, does it not?
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Postby Wesibaden » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:23 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Wesibaden wrote:My guess is you hardly ever watch congress live?? http://www.c-span.org/ you can actually tell by cspan that House is doing more good then the senete its quite sad really

As for the AR-15 it is a civilian version of the M-16 not one military force on this planet uses it

And it is not a Assault rifle the AR stands for ArmaLite rifle http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01 ... demonized/ I also happened to purchase a AR-15 back in Feb 2012

You still haven't provided a source for your claims that "democrats / Congress were the ones who forced banks to give out loans to people who could not pay them back" and that the democrats are "Also trying to disarm American Citizens from owning AR-15's which is a Civilian weapon".

:palm: have you been living under a rock?? AR-15 is on the ban list and as for Democrats / Congress that happened to be one of the video on Cspan
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:24 am

Wesibaden wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:You still haven't provided a source for your claims that "democrats / Congress were the ones who forced banks to give out loans to people who could not pay them back" and that the democrats are "Also trying to disarm American Citizens from owning AR-15's which is a Civilian weapon".

:palm: have you been living under a rock?? AR-15 is on the ban list and as for Democrats / Congress that happened to be one of the video on Cspan

I didn't know that all Democrats were Diane Feinstein. Hmm.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:24 am

Sheltopolis wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:Why is it that you want less spending? What good does that do?


It puts more money in the pockets of those who earned it (i.e. the citizens).


Not really. In fact, one could argue the exact opposite: with lower revenue, the government cannot provide as many services to the citizens as before. In times of economic crisis and high unemployment, these services (including welfare) are fundamental in ensuring that the demand from the citizenship onto the private sector remains high, by having even the poor acquire at least some minor purchase capacity.
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