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Are the Republicans holding back the social and economic progress of the United States?

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Postby Die Oranje-Vrystaat » Sat Feb 23, 2013 11:24 pm

Ensiferum wrote:
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Democrats are homophobic capitalists? Are you European by chance?


Quite so, Soviet Bavaria.


I that Lower Bavaria was the conservative part of Germany, guess I'll have to reexamine that.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:03 am

Die Oranje-Vrystaat wrote:
Ensiferum wrote:Honestly both the Republicans and Democrats are holding the U.S. back. We need a liberal party instead of these two right-wing parties. You can't move forward voting for two conservative parties.


What? How are they both right wing parties? How are democrats really conservative? I thought Republicans weren't conservative enough.

In a worldly scope, the Democrats are center-right and the Republicans are right.

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Postby Die Oranje-Vrystaat » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:10 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
Die Oranje-Vrystaat wrote:
What? How are they both right wing parties? How are democrats really conservative? I thought Republicans weren't conservative enough.

In a worldly scope, the Democrats are center-right and the Republicans are right.


Well I thought he meant it as an American, I know the spectrum changes from nation to nation. I personally don't think we are far enough to the right.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:16 am

Die Oranje-Vrystaat wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:In a worldly scope, the Democrats are center-right and the Republicans are right.


Well I thought he meant it as an American, I know the spectrum changes from nation to nation. I personally don't think we are far enough to the right.

To the right of us are Eastern European rightist parties, in comparison. To go farther right is to enter into the realm of social regression and skullfuckery that we find in the post-soviet states.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:17 am

Die Oranje-Vrystaat wrote:I personally don't think we are far enough to the right.

What could possibly be achieved by the Americans moving farther to the right besides a second recession brought on my austerity?
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Postby The Holy Roman Reich » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:22 am

Politicians like Obama and "Republicans" like Bush and are holding the US back. This country needs less government and less taxes. America's problem isn't that the government isn't getting enough tax revenue, it's the fact that the money it gets through tax revenue is mismanaged. Currently, I think what's holding back the US is Congress and their inability to hold up the Constitution and a presidential administration that is hell bent on turning the US into a socialist "paradise".
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Postby Norstal » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:21 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Die Oranje-Vrystaat wrote:I personally don't think we are far enough to the right.

What could possibly be achieved by the Americans moving farther to the right besides a second recession brought on my austerity?

Copying the British' triple-dip recession.

No, fuck that. We're Americans. We're better than that. Let's go for quadruple-dip recession.
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Postby Divair » Sun Feb 24, 2013 1:30 am

The Holy Roman Reich wrote:Politicians like Obama and "Republicans" like Bush and are holding the US back. This country needs less government and less taxes. America's problem isn't that the government isn't getting enough tax revenue, it's the fact that the money it gets through tax revenue is mismanaged. Currently, I think what's holding back the US is Congress and their inability to hold up the Constitution and a presidential administration that is hell bent on turning the US into a socialist "paradise".

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Postby Lessnt » Sun Feb 24, 2013 2:31 am

Norstal wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:What could possibly be achieved by the Americans moving farther to the right besides a second recession brought on my austerity?

Copying the British' triple-dip recession.

No, fuck that. We're Americans. We're better than that. Let's go for quadruple-dip recession.

Lets do one better enter a hyper depression.
Have a 40% drop in overall employment.
25% drop in GDP.
Then we get to have a civil war where 5 million americans can die fighting for their respective regimes.

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Postby Obamacult » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:29 am

This is what is/will hold back America going forward: The national debt.

And this is what is driving this debt:
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Hence, 56% of the federal budget is consumed by government managed entitlement and welfare programs.

And these are primarily progressive democrat party political artifices -- thanks to FDR and LBJ. You can't blame either Bush or Obama for these programs, although they have been negligent in minimizing the risk from them.

In contrast, the only adults in the room who are offering any substantive solution to the impending economic disaster of the burgeoning entitlement regime are the conservative Tea Party republicans.

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Postby Genivaria » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:33 am

Obamacult wrote:This is what is/will hold back America going forward: The national debt.

And this is what is driving this debt:

Hence, 56% of the federal budget is consumed by government managed entitlement and welfare programs.

And these are primarily progressive democrat party political artifices -- thanks to FDR and LBJ. You can't blame either Bush or Obama for these programs, although they have been negligent in minimizing the risk from them.

In contrast, the only adults in the room who are offering any substantive solution to the impending economic disaster of the burgeoning entitlement regime are the conservative Tea Party republicans.

Yes because Austerity has worked SO well in Europe. :roll:
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:34 am

Obamacult wrote:This is what is/will hold back America going forward: The national debt.

And this is what is driving this debt:

Hence, 56% of the federal budget is consumed by government managed entitlement and welfare programs.

And these are primarily progressive democrat party political artifices -- thanks to FDR and LBJ. You can't blame either Bush or Obama for these programs, although they have been negligent in minimizing the risk from them.

In contrast, the only adults in the room who are offering any substantive solution to the impending economic disaster of the burgeoning entitlement regime are the conservative Tea Party republicans.


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Postby SaintB » Sun Feb 24, 2013 8:37 am

The republicans have abandoned conservative ideals and have instead embraced reactionary and regressive ideals. They no longer care about protecting the value the nation was founded on and instead seek to redefine them and they are using any means necessary to do so.

So yes, they are holding things back, and in some cases actually managing to drag us backward.
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Postby Choronzon » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:13 am

Do we really even have to ask? Its self evident to anyone with a couple of brain cells and just the slightest bit of honesty.

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Postby Socialist EU » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:52 am

Yes and No, because the Obama admin is complicit with its "compromise" cuts to medicare and education.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:55 am

Obamacult wrote:This is what is/will hold back America going forward: The national debt.

And this is what is driving this debt:

Hence, 56% of the federal budget is consumed by government managed entitlement and welfare programs.

And these are primarily progressive democrat party political artifices -- thanks to FDR and LBJ. You can't blame either Bush or Obama for these programs, although they have been negligent in minimizing the risk from them.

In contrast, the only adults in the room who are offering any substantive solution to the impending economic disaster of the burgeoning entitlement regime are the conservative Tea Party republicans.

And this is why Greece is doing swimmingly.
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Postby Wesibaden » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:56 am

Funny how you only say republicans when democrats are worse then Republicans
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:58 am

Wesibaden wrote:Funny how you only say republicans when democrats are worse then Republicans

How so?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:59 am

Obamacult wrote:This is what is/will hold back America going forward: The national debt.

And this is what is driving this debt:

Hence, 56% of the federal budget is consumed by government managed entitlement and welfare programs.

And these are primarily progressive democrat party political artifices -- thanks to FDR and LBJ. You can't blame either Bush or Obama for these programs, although they have been negligent in minimizing the risk from them.

In contrast, the only adults in the room who are offering any substantive solution to the impending economic disaster of the burgeoning entitlement regime are the conservative Tea Party republicans.


Austerity in times of economic crisis does NOT work.

Have you seen what's happened in Europe lately? Austerity only made it worse.

The economy of a country depends mostly in the citizenship's capacity to purchase products and services. That's the main driving factor of our economy. Even with tax cuts, corporations won't hire or increase revenue in any way if there's no consumers to boost the demand and promote increased productivity.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Feb 24, 2013 9:59 am

Romneyerica wrote:
Polkopia wrote:Conservatives do what's best for the government. Liberals do what's best for the people. Either way, someone gets 'held' back, but in this case, no Conservatives are holding the PEOPLE'S rights back, but it's the liberals who are holding the U.S Government back.


By George, I think we got it.

no we dont.

if the so-called conservatives wanted to do what is best for the government they wouldn't have tried to fuck with the full faith and credit of the US by trying to stop the raising of the debt ceiling.
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Postby Conservative Idealism » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:00 am

Divair wrote:
The Holy Roman Reich wrote:Politicians like Obama and "Republicans" like Bush and are holding the US back. This country needs less government and less taxes. America's problem isn't that the government isn't getting enough tax revenue, it's the fact that the money it gets through tax revenue is mismanaged. Currently, I think what's holding back the US is Congress and their inability to hold up the Constitution and a presidential administration that is hell bent on turning the US into a socialist "paradise".

Said no one ever.

He said it, and I'm saying it. The past few presidents we've had are horrible - the last mediocre president we had was Clinton (more of a centrist than anything, astonishingly), and the last great president we had was Reagan. Obama and Bush have both been horribly wrong in thinking the government should spend any more than it already does - the federal budget must be strongly reconsidered and revised so that the people know what they're spending tax money on.

Yeah, Congress doesn't let much through conservative-wise anymore, what with all of the nominal-at-best Republicans and socialist-at-worst Democrats, so I'd say it's holding stuff up. Just look at the presidential administration - Obama might not look like much of a socialist (though I suspect he is), but the people he surrounds himself by are another matter.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:02 am

Wesibaden wrote:Funny how you only say republicans when democrats are worse then Republicans


When Democrats start pushing for social policies that declare several social groups such as women, LGBT people and the poor as second-class citizens...

When Democrats start pushing for economic policies that only help in reducing the demand of products even more, further plunging the US down the rabbit hole of the crisis...

...maybe then you get to say they are remotely close to being as bad.
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Postby Wesibaden » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:02 am

Frisivisia wrote:
Wesibaden wrote:Funny how you only say republicans when democrats are worse then Republicans

How so?

Let us not forget the democrats / Congress were the ones who forced banks to give out loans to people who could not pay them back

Also trying to disarm American Citizens from owning AR-15's which is a Civilian weapon
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Postby Frisivisia » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:04 am

Wesibaden wrote:
Frisivisia wrote:How so?

Let us not forget the democrats / Congress were the ones who forced banks to give out loans to people who could not pay them back

Also trying to disarm American Citizens from owning AR-15's which is a Civilian weapon

Source, and source.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Feb 24, 2013 10:05 am

Conservative Idealism wrote:
Divair wrote:Said no one ever.

He said it, and I'm saying it. The past few presidents we've had are horrible - the last mediocre president we had was Clinton (more of a centrist than anything, astonishingly), and the last great president we had was Reagan. Obama and Bush have both been horribly wrong in thinking the government should spend any more than it already does - the federal budget must be strongly reconsidered and revised so that the people know what they're spending tax money on.

Yeah, Congress doesn't let much through conservative-wise anymore, what with all of the nominal-at-best Republicans and socialist-at-worst Democrats, so I'd say it's holding stuff up. Just look at the presidential administration - Obama might not look like much of a socialist (though I suspect he is), but the people he surrounds himself by are another matter.


If the current administration were, in any way, even remotely close to socialism, the state of labor laws would be quite different than it is today.

As for Reagan, remember that Reagan was the one that increased the debt at an absurd rate, increased overall spending with no justification or need, committed and promoted international law and human rights violations, and stood by while the early AIDS epidemic wiped out countless innocent gays and African Americans.
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